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littleclip -> RE: It is just quite frustrating here (5/11/2013 12:05:41 AM)

just using one tool wont build a house. you need to use several of the to find what you seek. go to munches go to local educational classes and as they used to say press the flesh get out get seen and be seen this will help a great deal.be honest and not be overly focused on the kink




LafayetteLady -> RE: It is just quite frustrating here (5/11/2013 1:51:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: Submissivekerl
I would however really feel out of place in a local community were all get to meet, not really good in social gatherings. But thanks for the advice :)
Let's put it another way.

Just for the sake of argument, lets take the kink out of it. What if you were a person who was interested in women of faith, but you wouldn't go to church? What if you liked women who enjoyed books, but you wouldn't go to the bookstore or join reading groups? What if you liked women who enjoyed ballroom dancing, but you wouldn't go to the club or to class? Would you think if you joined a forum about any of these other things, that stuff is going to magically happen?

It's up to you if you sit on the sidelines of life or not.




I realize you are a big on the attending events, but some people simply aren't comfortable in those settings, especially going the first time by themselves. I do think that participating in the forums and making some *friends* here could be helpful in that regard. As I suggested right before you made this post, I think if he participated in the forums and such, while he might not meet that special *one,* he could very well become friendly with a person or several people that would either go with him, or who attend and knowing that someone he has spoken with (even if only online) was going to be there might make it easier.

Sometimes people like you and I can forget how difficult it can be for those who are shy or socially awkward to attend any type of public thing, especially alone.




Submissivekerl -> RE: It is just quite frustrating here (5/11/2013 4:16:11 AM)

But being interested in a women, who has particular interests is a bit different and ofcourse would go to church with her because I know that would make her happy or a bookstore or whatever and where-ever, BDSM conversations face to face with people and women I have no feelings towards is quite uncomfortable, but yep one must try that someday, world is filled with experiences to try and things to learn otherwise it would be boring as hell.
And well, guess I did a better job with the profile this time :) .




Submissivekerl -> RE: It is just quite frustrating here (5/11/2013 4:44:26 AM)

What, I am not social awkward heard that :) , I am socially awkwarded to talk about BDSM in person with people I don't know huge difference.
It is ok just need to push abit anyways, thanks all for the advice ,feels like home in a way with all the help.
[Awaiting approval] up there is that a message awaiting approval or is he awaiting approval for something?




LadyPact -> RE: It is just quite frustrating here (5/11/2013 5:07:40 AM)

LL, I'm pretty much the real world type in general. [:)]

I'm not denying that folks do meet and have wonderful relationships because of the net. I just think that meeting people in person is an additional avenue. It's worked rather well for the last few thousand years.

It would be nice if the OP would get to know some folks on the forums to attend things with but if he's in Germany, that might be a tall order. CM is very US and UK centric. We do have a few posters in Germany. Just not a whole lot.

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ORIGINAL: Submissivekerl
But being interested in a women, who has particular interests is a bit different and ofcourse would go to church with her because I know that would make her happy or a bookstore or whatever and where-ever, BDSM conversations face to face with people and women I have no feelings towards is quite uncomfortable, but yep one must try that someday, world is filled with experiences to try and things to learn otherwise it would be boring as hell.
And well, guess I did a better job with the profile this time :) .
Unless munches are very different in Germany, I think you've got a wrong impression. Generally, munches aren't anything more than people who get together as a group and have dinner at a restaurant. It's not a situation where all of the conversation during the meal is going to be about kink and sex. Believe it or not, people interested in BDSM don't just talk about BDSM.





njlauren -> RE: It is just quite frustrating here (5/11/2013 7:59:47 AM)

Karl-
I understand your reluctance at discussing 'intimate' things with strangers and so forth, though in a sense you are doing that on here, you are asking total, anonymous strangers for advice:). I realize this is all pseudonyms and it is virtual, but it is still people, it is why the whole 'cyber cheating' issue catches people by surprise, they think because it is virtual, it isn't cheating.....

To be honest, trying to get someone from on here for a relationship is going to have very low yields. The analogy I would use is a job search, posting a resume online or worse, sending in resumes blind, is extremely low yield, most jobs tend to come from networking or hooking up with a recruiter (kind of like a matchmaker in relationships), and that is what munches or events are about in part, networking, meeting others like yourself, learning, being mentored and so forth.

Munches as others have pointed out are social events, people will talk about things they have done, but a lot of the conversation could be a group of friends simply going out, enjoying a drink or meal with each others, and gabbing...or listening. If you go to a munch, you don't have to talk about things that embarrass you or make you uncomfortable, you don't have to go to a munch and say "I love being caned" or "I seek to be a sissy maid" or whatever, you can talk about 'normal' things and people won't think badly of you, in the past when I was more active, there were the people who spoke incessantly, and quiet people who listened, there were people who would describe their last play session to intimate detail, there were those who talked about the weather or sports or something *shrug*. The key thing is, these are a group of people no different than other people, BD/SM for most people isn't their total life, most of us have jobs, many have kids, families, annoying neighbors, squirrels and chipmunks engaged in deadly battle with us, taxes, cravings for things we shouldn't eat, you name it:). You can socialize and talk about music, books, a good restaurant, and meet someone without getting intimate. The key thing is dommes are people, they are attracted to people for the same reason anyone is, the BDSM stuff is just another layer.

Want to know another advantage of socializing? Often, people know people, and you end up with someone playing matchmaker (somehow, I could see LP acting as that, the doyenne and so forth:), someone introduces you to someone, and bam, it is networking and it works. On top of everything else, online sucks because it really gives you a one dimensional image of someone, there is so much missing, and quite honestly, domme or sub, there is incredible reluctance to spend time and so forth chasing an virtual person (or having them chase you). Someone who has gotten out to a munch, an event, a demo, a group meeting, has shown they are real, whereas someone posting messages on a forum has done nothing but created an account, put up pictures and a profile. Getting out shows something of yourself, it shows you are sincere, and that means a lot.

One other concern people have, which I don't know if it is yours as well, is fear that if you go to a munch or a group meeting that someone will find you out, that this will create a problem in your real life so to speak and so forth, that someone you know will see you and it will come out. One thing I can tell you with some certainty is that there isn't this group of people who go to events and munches to see if they know anyone and cause them problems, someone like that would get a rep really fast and would face all kinds of stuff for doing it, believe me. If you see someone you know there, they are there because they are into it, take it from me, or are curious. I was a member of a BD/SM group for more than a few years, was involved in a pretty high profile fetish charity auction, went to events, play parties, and never had any issues (plus these days, in most places, it simply wouldn't be a big deal, most people don't care, and from the little I know of Germany these days, doesn't sound like it would be a big deal there, either..so if that is a concern, I can tell you it is pretty much unfounded.

Again, if you go to munches or events, no one is going to be asking you intimate details unless you want to divulge them, people are pretty respectful of that in my experience, and if you say "I am a newbie, I think I am sub, and just trying to get a handle on this", people will understand, we all have been there..and yeah, it is hard, it always is when you are different. You should have seen me my first trip out presenting as Lauren, if I told the story you and everyone else would have a good laugh...or the first time I presented as myself locally, same thing, so I know. What I learned is the fear is mostly much worse than the reality....but it doesn't seem like that at the beginning.




TheLilSquaw -> RE: It is just quite frustrating here (5/11/2013 8:23:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Generally, munches aren't anything more than people who get together as a group and have dinner at a restaurant.




I used to be HUGE on munches but I admit over the past few years I don't want to share a meal with people I wouldn't normally share a meal with.




Rochsub2009 -> RE: It is just quite frustrating here (5/11/2013 11:12:53 AM)

I'm going to be a bit mean to you, but it's for your own good. Others are being entirely too nice, and IMO, they're not doing you any favors.

Firstly, I didn't read your original profile, so I don't know if it improved. But your current profile sucks. It's worse than terrible. When I read it, I felt like I was watching a Charlie Brown cartoon and his teacher was speaking. Do you understand that reference? Perhaps the issue is that English isn't your first language. If that's the case, write it in German. But what you currently have isn't good.

Secondly, you'll never get the girl if you're too shy/introverted to go out and find her. Even if it makes you uncomfortable, go to a munch anyway. If you wanted to meet a dancer, wouldn't you go to a dance recital? Why should this be any different. The Domme fairy isn't going to magically leave a Domme under your pillow. You're going to have to get out there and win one by showing her how suave, debonaire, and submissive you are.

Now stop whining on the internet and grow a pair. Get thee to a munch and sweep the Dommes off their feet.





MistressDarkArt -> RE: It is just quite frustrating here (5/11/2013 11:27:24 AM)

^^^Hmmm, I just read his profile and it's not terrible to me.

I get that he wants a Ds relationship with someone he loves. He's straight. He likes to cuddle. He admits he is a better communicator in writing than in person.

Sounds like a pretty good start to me, if online would get him anywhere. Doubtful that, so he's wrapping his head around going to a community event so he can meet folks in person. I think the OP's beginning to get it.




Baroana -> RE: It is just quite frustrating here (5/11/2013 2:31:06 PM)

You are in Germany, your profile is in English, and you are wondering why eligible local women don't contact you?




LafayetteLady -> RE: It is just quite frustrating here (5/11/2013 4:04:37 PM)

English is widely spoken through all the major metropolitan areas of Germany. Unless he is in some remote village, they will speak English.




PeonForHer -> RE: It is just quite frustrating here (5/11/2013 4:09:22 PM)

SK,

I think possibly the hardest thing of all is to put kink aside enough to be able to connect with a woman. I don't say 'ditch it' - I just say 'control it' - big difference. You know, so that you can share stories and jokes, talk about stuff. Relate as two people, basically. *That* is the way in, or so I've found.




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