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RE: Trials that Enrage People - 5/11/2013 12:43:35 PM

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LOL to each his own:)
I rarely watch actual tv, cant handle the commercials, but I do have quite a few actual shows Ilike
Daily show is one I get online so it doesnt count(to me anyway)

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RE: Trials that Enrage People - 5/11/2013 12:46:51 PM

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The prosecution did not put their case on well at all, even the jurors had admitted that. It's sad really since even those jurors had no doubt she was guilty. But the jury instructions and the charges didn't allow them to return the right verdict.

The prosecution did not have a case. They could not even establish how the baby died. Technically there was no homicide to prosecute. Even if the jurors ignored the law the judge almost had to direct a not guilty verdict and if he didn't the case would have certainly been over turned on appeal.

I disagree. I think if the prosecution had taken a different approach, they could have gotten a guilty verdict that wouldn't have been turned over. Yes, a lot was circumstantial, but damn, those circumstances! Not reporting your child missing for a month? The duct tape, the shallow grave in the woods? She was complicit in that child's death and very few people have any doubts about that.

Sure she was complicit in the child's death but that is not equal to first degree murder.

As I said since the prosecutor could not honestly stand before the jury and say that the baby had even ben murdered bringing a murder case to trial was beyond stupid.

That's my point. Presentation. If I recall correctly, they didn't offer juries an option of lesser charges, and many jurists said had they had that option, a guilty verdict would have been found.

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RE: Trials that Enrage People - 5/11/2013 1:43:53 PM

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What bothered me, on top of all of that, was the dangerously antogonistic differences that the trial caused in this country.

What disturbs me most are the cheering crowds after the verdict. OJ, Jodi Arias, Jerry Sandusky. It's sad that people hijack these unfortunate proceedings into some sort of sports contest, cheering on victory. It's repulsive. But then again, if you consider how popular that evil wench Nancy Grace is then I guess it should come as know surprise.

I wonder if anyone has taken it upon themselves to calculate the average IQ in the US? It might be an interesting yet frightening statistic.

Edited to add: I looked it up. 98. Double digits.

Average IQ per country

The Scott Peterson trial around here drew the same attention, passionate mobs, and Nancy Grace fervor. I agree with the essence of your post: all of this interest, plus the popularity of reality TV and Nancy Grace types, is just a symptom of IQ and the refusal to butt out of others' business. But 98 average? That is fairly depressing, though believable.

It's also a 15 year old study, and the number for the US is from 1993, so I would hardly call the results currently relevant. LizDeluxe also conveniently neglects to mention that the highest national IQ (Japan) is only 110. The sample size for the US was 625 people, using tests from people ages 18-70 while for many other countries, the lower age was under the age of 10 and the upper age was not above 18. This makes a large difference in what results would be because obviously a 6 year isn't taking the same IQ test as someone who is 18. Some data was from 1952 (Belgium and Congo) and the latest from 2000 (Kenya). The smallest sample consisted of only 62 people (Ghana), while the largest was 43,825 (Taiwan). Of course the test in Taiwan was administered to children aged 6-7, so hardly representative of that countries adult IQ.

I love when people just jump onto a statistic without presenting important factors, like I just did above. Statistics can be twisted to say whatever you want them to say, really. As you might be able to figure out from the information above, the US is barely 10 IQ points away from the number 1 slot of Japan. Of course Japan's sampling consisted purely of 9 year olds, although I'm sure that the average adult in Japan is probably smarter than the average American. Of course the sampling was only of 444 people, hardly enough to be a representative sampling of the population of Japan which is around 128 million people.

In other words, statistics are typically meaningless.

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RE: Trials that Enrage People - 5/11/2013 2:06:12 PM

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But 98 average? That is fairly depressing, though believable.

What's depressing about that? 98 is barely outside statistical noise of the average.

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RE: Trials that Enrage People - 5/11/2013 2:12:12 PM

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The funny thing about it is that it is by far not the bottom of the list, and the top of the list isn't that much higher, especially when you add in an error rate of +/- 3-5 points.

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RE: Trials that Enrage People - 5/11/2013 8:59:58 PM

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I blame it on nancy grace....bloody woman

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RE: Trials that Enrage People - 5/11/2013 9:06:51 PM

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But 98 average? That is fairly depressing, though believable.

What's depressing about that? 98 is barely outside statistical noise of the average.

I have seen anecdotally that there is a surprisingly noticeable difference in intelligence when the IQ differential is very small, just a few points. And I have also noticed that the baseline average of 100 is not very bright at all.

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RE: Trials that Enrage People - 5/11/2013 9:17:32 PM

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LLady--

Regarding the IQ and statistics, you are absolutely correct. To repeat, the baseline is 100. Two points mean absolutely nothing. The sample is so small the whole point is moot.

The problem is 24/7 news cycles.

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RE: Trials that Enrage People - 5/12/2013 2:09:06 PM

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Why do third parties get so emotionally involved in these cases?

For the same reason a bunch of people gathered to see Richard Rice boiled to death in 1532.

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RE: Trials that Enrage People - 5/12/2013 2:18:43 PM

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In other words, statistics are typically meaningless.

That's an interesting point of view.

I've always found the presentations of statistics to be the problem.

The actual statistics are usually quite meaningful and useful if you know what they're actually saying.

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RE: Trials that Enrage People - 5/12/2013 4:39:38 PM

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I make it a point not to follow trials. I do have a life to live...

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RE: Trials that Enrage People - 5/12/2013 11:18:35 PM

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They are all human, and subject to that one human fallacy, perception. Take OJ. Do I think he personally committed the crimes he was charged with, hell no. That is why he was acquitted. Do I think he "hired" some people to do the murders, hell yes. But they didn't go with that, they went after the proverbial "big fish", and it crashed and burned. This is what happens with most, uhm, over-zealous prosecutors. Some call it rush to judgement, others call it tunnel vision. But once they get that theory in their heads, damn the torpedoes. And thanks to double jeopardy, you only get one drink at the trough.

I strongly disagree... Someone that spent a great deal of time around nicole & their dog is who killed her. After experiencing a full litter sibling of their (OJ& nicole's) akita (found covered in nicole & rons blood protecting the bodies) those dogs were bred to be protective of their families. The brother would snarl if you got closer than he wanted to family, would throw himself between stranger & family daring another step...by owners account this was "the nice one".
OJ's dog had to be darted & subdued by animal control so they could get to the bodies. NO ONE that didn't know that animal well would have gotten close enough to kill no one but 2 accepted members of the house. Let alone escape without damage.

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