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FatDomDaddy -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/13/2013 5:17:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Are you not a Republican, FDD?



Why no dc... I am not a Republican. But thanks for asking.




thompsonx -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/13/2013 7:03:32 AM)




You asked me what my point was, what do you not understand about my post?



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that would mean all laws are now null and void.


I pointed out that this was the same sort of rhetoric used in parliment over the tea being tossed in boston harbor.
My point is that the logic is flawed. The post tries to equate two things that are not equal.
I am pointing out that the demand for "law and order" is specious it is nothing more than a demand to acquies to specious logic.




thompsonx -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/13/2013 7:11:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967



Yeah because it would be oh so hard to transfer Marines from London, or Paris, or Madrid, or Berlin, or Rio De Janeiro, or any of the 120+ sites that have a low probability of being stormed... Yeah, keep trying to blame this one on the congressional republicans[8|]


How many marines are in london?paris?madrid?berlin?or rio?
How many marines would it take to have prevented the incident in bengazi and what would have been the time frame for them to react in to have done this?
You have alleged that you have been in the military,you allege that you are a cop, how is that this post does not indcate any knowledge things military?
When the u.s. deposed the legally elected president of dominican republic The locals attacked the embasy. It took almost two days to move one platoon of marines from cuba to dr.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/13/2013 7:26:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
It's hard to get too spun up about "the editing process." What is upsetting is how the US diplomats in Libya asked for more protection and they did not get it. Part of the problem has been a Congress that does not want to fund such protections. Another part of the problem is the fog of war and the risks of setting up shop in an unstable country.
Maybe if the US wasn't so mired in IRAQ and Afghanistan -- we'd have more resources to protect embassy and consulate staff ---.


Actually, I mostly disagree with you on this. Could Clinton have beefed up security staff? Sure. Should she have? Well, hindsight and all would say "absolutely." But, should she have? Not sure. I can't tell you why more security wasn't added, but I'm certain Hillary didn't do it to purposely cause the loss of life of our ambassador and staff.

Was it Congress' fault? Not necessarily, either. Sure, more money could have been allocated and used, but should it have been? That's iffy, too. Do we have staff that could have been reassigned to Benghazi, from less hostile, or lower risk areas? I guarantee we do. Would that have required more funding? Not sure if it would have or not, but any increase in cost wouldn't have been very large. It could have been done within the current budget.

It wasn't. I don't know why it wasn't. I don't know that the best choice wasn't made. I'm sure the intention to cause loss of life certainly wasn't there.

Not that any of that matters, really. Clinton wasn't impeached over a blowjob. Tricky Dicky Nixon wasn't being impeached over breaking into Democrat HQ. Both were impeached over the lies about the events. Ken Starr could have been getting blown while he questioned Clinton about his lying under oath. Wouldn't have mattered, unless Starr lied about getting blown.

Had Clinton come out and said she think she may have fucked up by not beefing up security, or if her and Obama wouldn't have ever brought forth the youtube video blame, the R's would have still griped and thrown blame around, but there would be zero talk of impeachment. Would have given both a black eye and Hillary would have likely been asked to resign, or would have resigned over it, but that would be it.




Lucylastic -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/13/2013 7:29:17 AM)

Since 2010, Congress ze=4]cut[/size] $296 million from the State Department’s spending request for embassy security and construction, with additional cuts in other State Department security accounts, according to an analysis by a former appropriations committee staffer.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/27/benghazi-attack-followed-deep-cuts-in-state-depart/#ixzz2TBPQxDPa

Libya attack: Congressmen casting blame voted to cut diplomatic security budget
Reps. Jason Chaffetz and Darrell Issa claim the Benghazi consulate sought more security before the deadly attack. They also both voted to cut the State Department's embassy security budget.


http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2012/1005/Libya-attack-Congressmen-casting-blame-voted-to-cut-diplomatic-security-budget

the funding would have mostsly gone to tripoli, simply because that is where the ambassador was "supposed" to be based.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/13/2013 7:36:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Tried to pretend?Projecting...much?
When he found out that wasn`t the case,he said so...
Even fox news said they thought that was the case...
He was going by the best intel at the time....
This sinister narrative that he purposely let Americans die or tried to cover up something is not credible.....
But of course if one is in to pretending.....facts,the record and history don`t play a big role.

So, from the get-go, he was all about "this was a terrorist attack?"

So it`s a semantics exercise?[8|]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiyqZPuQQgY
"acts of terror"
It`s right in there....written in plain English
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-president-deaths-us-embassy-staff-libya


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    Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger.

    Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.

    The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats. I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.

    Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.

    Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya. Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans. Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens’s body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died.

    It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save. At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi. With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya. When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there. He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps.

    Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on. I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home.

    Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

    As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

    No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

    But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

    We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

    Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America./quote]


Yep, all about it being an act of terror, terrorism, and/or perpetrated by terrorists.

Why was the Youtube video ever brought up? Why did our UN representative go on about that?




Lucylastic -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/13/2013 7:42:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri


No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.





DesideriScuri -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/13/2013 7:47:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.


Yep, a damning indictment of this being an act of terror.

Edited to add: And, thank God that was the only story coming from the White House. [8|]




Lucylastic -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/13/2013 8:05:59 AM)

LMFAO incredible ineptness..but its not from the white house,




Fightdirecto -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/13/2013 9:01:58 AM)

The GOP has forgotten something:

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mnottertail -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/13/2013 9:15:33 AM)

Actually, the main reason almost everybody was silent is because the next day he invaded Grenada to derail the issue. 




DesideriScuri -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/13/2013 9:35:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
LMFAO incredible ineptness..but its not from the white house,


True, but it was ineptness from the White House.




Lucylastic -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/13/2013 9:43:51 AM)

how?




DesideriScuri -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/13/2013 12:15:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
how?


Um, how's about an ineptness to lead? Obama makes a speech, never once specifically calling the attack in Benghazi an act of terror. During the speech, he does say "act of terror," so, it's possible that he was speaking directly to the Benghazi attack, but there wasn't anything specific.

What happened on Sept 13th? Hilary Clinton goes on and on about some youtube video being to blame for the attacks on our consulates in the ME.

Sept. 14th? Jay Carney railing about the youtube video.

Sept. 16th? Susan Rice railed about the video.

Sept. 20th and 25th? Obama on about the video.

SOURCE





mnottertail -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/13/2013 12:46:46 PM)

And how is that ineptitude?   I point out that it was jobs jobs jobs with the teabaggers, and that aint happening, yet it is always counted as something approaching sainthood with the rest of the rank and file baggers.

But this is ineptitude.  Who has killed OBL? Who has killed some 45 alQueda operatives? Who has killed Somali pirates?  Other terrorists like Khaddafi.  I  question whether or not any teabagger knows the meaning of ineptitude, they don't seem to be able to see the forest for the trees. 




thompsonx -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/13/2013 1:48:37 PM)

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Um, how's about an ineptness to lead? Obama makes a speech, never once specifically calling the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.


He also did not pick his nose or scratch his ass. Are these also signs of ineptness at leadership? When did attacks on an embasy become an act of terror? To strike directly at the center of the most public persona of one's perceived enemy would seem more like an act of war...kinda like when a marine landing party showed up in front of the queens residence in hawaii with a field piece.
Any idea why the "terrorists" did this?



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During the speech, he does say "act of terror," so, it's possible that he was speaking directly to the Benghazi attack, but there wasn't anything specific.


That is important for what reason?




DesideriScuri -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/13/2013 2:44:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
And how is that ineptitude?   I point out that it was jobs jobs jobs with the teabaggers, and that aint happening, yet it is always counted as something approaching sainthood with the rest of the rank and file baggers.
But this is ineptitude.  Who has killed OBL? Who has killed some 45 alQueda operatives? Who has killed Somali pirates?  Other terrorists like Khaddafi.  I  question whether or not any teabagger knows the meaning of ineptitude, they don't seem to be able to see the forest for the trees. 


Stick and move. Stick and move.

How about you stay on task here and not continue to try to change focus?




dcnovice -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/13/2013 6:30:46 PM)

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Why no dc... I am not a Republican. But thanks for asking.

Interesting.

Always better to ask than assume, I think.




mnottertail -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/14/2013 7:53:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
And how is that ineptitude?   I point out that it was jobs jobs jobs with the teabaggers, and that aint happening, yet it is always counted as something approaching sainthood with the rest of the rank and file baggers.
But this is ineptitude.  Who has killed OBL? Who has killed some 45 alQueda operatives? Who has killed Somali pirates?  Other terrorists like Khaddafi.  I  question whether or not any teabagger knows the meaning of ineptitude, they don't seem to be able to see the forest for the trees. 


Stick and move. Stick and move.

How about you stay on task here and not continue to try to change focus?



I am on task, the teabaggers are howling and flouncing around in high dudgeon like peri-menopausal drag queens over nothing, to derail and deflect from their long and tiresome ineptitude that has led us into the largest debt of our nations history, and their craven corporate servility which has handed this country over to people who have not got our interests at heart.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Why Were Republicans Silent When Reagan’s ‘Benghazi’ Killed 241 American Servicemen? (5/14/2013 9:06:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
And how is that ineptitude?   I point out that it was jobs jobs jobs with the teabaggers, and that aint happening, yet it is always counted as something approaching sainthood with the rest of the rank and file baggers.
But this is ineptitude.  Who has killed OBL? Who has killed some 45 alQueda operatives? Who has killed Somali pirates?  Other terrorists like Khaddafi.  I  question whether or not any teabagger knows the meaning of ineptitude, they don't seem to be able to see the forest for the trees. 

Stick and move. Stick and move.
How about you stay on task here and not continue to try to change focus?

I am on task, the teabaggers are howling and flouncing around in high dudgeon like peri-menopausal drag queens over nothing, to derail and deflect from their long and tiresome ineptitude that has led us into the largest debt of our nations history, and their craven corporate servility which has handed this country over to people who have not got our interests at heart.


I'm surprised you have made this claim of the elected Democrats! [8D]

Do you disagree that the Democrats are basically the same in their craven corporate servility?




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