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Domly Don Draper on Mad Men - 5/13/2013 8:36:48 PM

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The last episode of Mad Men (#7) featured Don Draper dominating his extra-marital love interest, Sylvia, by: ordering her to crawl on the floor to get his shoes, ordering her to get undressed, to stay in bed, not leave the hotel room, and then not to answer the telephone. Her sole function was to be reduced to waiting for him, doing as he said, and then pleasing him in the ways he desired.

Did anyone see the episode? If so, what were your thoughts? Turned on? Turned off?

Psychologically I think Don was trying to turn back the clock on the sixties and the empowerment of women (which he finds threatening.) Also, his dominance seemed to come from spot of insecurity (emptiness and a lack of control.)

In the end it was the women who slapped him around.

(1) Peggy dresses him down in the office for being a reckless, thoughtless, drunken, wrecking ball with TED.

(2) Sylvia breaks up with him. The ironic example of the sub actually controlling the relationship.

(3) His wife, Megan, desires to haul him off on a vacation when he really doesn't want to go.

Overall he's knocked off his game several times: (a) at the Margarine meeting, (b) by Peggy, (c) in the airplane, (d) by the breakup, and (e) by his wife at home.

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RE: Domly Don Draper on Mad Men - 5/13/2013 8:40:33 PM

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You forgot the scene where he gets a prostitute to hit him in the face:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2_D9eYpSnk

Personally, I think Don is kinky because straight lays have become so easy to him they bore him to death.

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RE: Domly Don Draper on Mad Men - 5/13/2013 8:52:47 PM

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Well, obviously he's not twue.

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RE: Domly Don Draper on Mad Men - 5/13/2013 10:26:48 PM

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Yep, I saw it.

I'm glad Sylvia broke things off...I hated that affair. Although last night's episode finally made it a bit interesting.

Don had a submissive wife with Betty, until she couldn't take his lying and cheating anymore. Perhaps he thought a young sweet woman like Megan would fulfill that need but Megan is finding her own in the world and not so submissive to him anymore (although they've had some hot "angry sex").

So in comes Sylvia. He experimented much further than he's gone before. Didn't make it hot for me, just more interesting.

The dude does have serious women issues. He highly respects Peggy, and I think her knocking him down a bit was a reality check, and went along with the rest of the knock downs at work, which show him as less than the Mighty Don Draper he's always been at work. He's fumbling, and the new work issues are either going to keep him in check or begin another spiral (thinking about the Dick Whitman/divorce/drinking problem spiral).

If he'd have done that with Megan, and she'd have obliged, then it would have been hot - as part of an honest, loving relationship.

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RE: Domly Don Draper on Mad Men - 5/13/2013 10:28:13 PM

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Personally, I think Don is kinky because straight lays have become so easy to him they bore him to death.

Good point. God knows he's had enough of them!

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RE: Domly Don Draper on Mad Men - 5/13/2013 10:33:16 PM

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Don is grasping at straws. Nothing makes him happy, he sabotages all his relationships and he has no self control. He is a handsome shell of a man and no way is he a Dom. That would require him caring about someone besides himself. I mean the guy barely gives a crap about his kids.

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RE: Domly Don Draper on Mad Men - 5/13/2013 11:20:04 PM

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I watched the first season, theres a lot of male
privilege but very little dominance in my view, if
anything the men in it seem like spoilt children
for lack of a better analogy, a lot of baseless
entitlement and authority.

In some ways there is a bit of nostalgia, but I
found a lot of the show to basically play on the,
"Look what they got away with back then" or
"look how naive they were back then", factor.

Not the best show to watch if you have quit
smoking.
Not to mention he had the perfect wife to start
with but didn't seem to realise it...

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RE: Domly Don Draper on Mad Men - 5/14/2013 7:25:38 AM

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quote:

I mean the guy barely gives a crap about his kids.

That's one way of putting it. Any particular comments on episode (7) seven?

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He is a handsome shell of a man

I'm continually amazed at how capable the Mad Men staff are at glamorizing its cast. The combination setting, costume, makeup, and photography is so professionally combined.

Jon Hamm never looks as good outside the show.

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RE: Domly Don Draper on Mad Men - 5/14/2013 7:36:00 AM

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I watched the first season, there's a lot of male
privilege but very little dominance in my view, if
anything the men in it seem like spoilt children
for lack of a better analogy, a lot of baseless
entitlement and authority.

Male privilege is a good way of putting it, and the 60s is when that began to slip away.

Not the best show to watch if you have quit
smoking.
Not to mention he had the perfect wife to start
with but didn't seem to realise it...

In his first marriage Betty had a chance to resuscitate her modeling career -- a step that would have enabled her to get out of the claustrophobic Draper house and expand beyond her ill-suited motherhood role. Don shut that down. He didn't want to give up control his control and was too threatened by her becoming more independent and attractive to other men. He also had prejudices about how women shouldn't work outside the home if he could provide for them. This decision helped send his marriage to divorce as much as his affairs did.

Betty's character showed (and continues to show) that women are not "natural mothers" -- a portrayal to help undermine another of the era's basic assumptions.

And yes, those fuckers smoke (and drink) a lot.

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