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njlauren -> RE: Another Progressive Victory! (5/19/2013 8:36:52 AM)
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Demeaned? Any demeaning you feel will find it's roots within your own head. Your marriage certificate won't be changed ex post facto. It is what it is.
Why is it demeaning for a non-religious wedding to not have the same title as a religious wedding? Notice, too, how the only difference is rooted in it being a religious ceremony or not, and not in the genders involved in the wedding.
If your feelings are hurt because of a word, then, well, that's an issue you'll have to deal with.
DS, you're missing the point. The left doesn't want equality for same-sex partners. They want the issue . So, any little bullshit thing they can cry over and claim that the right is heartless is what they're after.
It doesn't matter that 60-some percent of people that describe themselves as "conservative" support same-sex unions. That's not good enough, anymore. As usual ... just like in the past, the left has to tear things down. It's not about building bridges. It's about more division and more name-calling and baiting of the "poor unfortunates" who are being "oppressed".
Yeah, not so much. It's about politics and the left, leaving same-sex partners twisting in the wind while the mind-numbed minions wail and gnash their teeth in the hopes that it will help sweep the anti-Christ into office in '16.
Peace and comfort,
Michael
You are wrong, I already have touched on this. The 60 percent of conservatives who support same sex unions are not uniform, last numbers i saw said about 30 percent of conservatives support same sex marriage, it is about 50-50 marriage and unions. Secondly, the problem with unions, that many of these conservatives know, is that they don't work, they are second class. The only way to get unions to work would be to get marriage the hell out of the law, because that word has magic, and even where the law, as in NJ, creates civic unions, same sex couples have to fight for the rights the law grants, where if you say the magic work, marriage, things fall into place. The NJ supreme court, over the objection of King King our dear governor who can't figure out that the Catholic Church is not the state religion, will probably rule that civic unions have failed to provide same sex couples with equal rights.
It is also interesting that conservatives who go on about the term marriage being sacred, kind of overlook the fact that lots of people get married by JP's, ship's captains, mayors, etc, in secular weddings..how come they don't object to a JP wedding being legal?
Do I think for some on the left this is a casus belli? Sure, the Clintons are prime examples, Hillary is about the worst friend any GLBT person could have, and Bill is not all that better, his behavior in office shows that. On the other hand, there are a lot of conservatives, including Ted Olsen and Bob Barr, who have come to see it for what it is, a rights issue, that the whole 'marriage is a sacred pact between a man and a woman' is inherently discriminatory and in violation of the rights under the constitution. Religious belief in law is a disaster area, and libertarians (unlike the Pauls, who are both phonies) recognize that, that the government should never have granted rights to marriage under that term.
If conservatives are so hyped up on marriage, then they should come up with laws that get marriage out of the law, and leave it to the churches, and make civic unions the law. Civic unions and the like supported by conservatives are supported as a smoke screen against their own stupidity; these same people claim their religious rights are voided all the time, yet they claim that gays legally marrying voids their faith, when they can't see that denying gays the right to marry is them forcing their beliefs on everyone else.
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