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jlf1961 -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/14/2013 2:07:21 PM)

So in 2004, when the IRS was directed to go over the NAACP with the same enthusiasm, it was a Democrat in charge, right? I believe the the then democrat President was Bush... or was he a republican?




mnottertail -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/14/2013 2:08:18 PM)

Well, he wasn't fiscally conservative....LOLOLOLOLOFuckinL




MrRodgers -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/14/2013 4:50:59 PM)

So having not followed this I am to believe that the govt. targeted non-profits for rather obvious reasons and that because the bulk of which are conservative political non-profits...there is something telling about this ?

I am thinking rather it is somebody playing with semantics and the political motive is always at play here ?




Lucylastic -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/14/2013 4:59:23 PM)

good point Mr Rodgers.

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Arturas -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/14/2013 5:12:41 PM)

Why does that matter? Focus everyone.

The IRS used it's power to suppress .
Justice department used it's power to spy on the Associated Press in order to learn what they knew about the Obama Administration and perhaps even intimidate and suppress the truth, after all, it is the Justice Department.
Highly placed people in the current administration lied about Benghazi.

Regardless of what Bush did this is the Government of the United States and it must protect our freedoms and it must advance the cause of liberty or it's elected leaders must be replaced by those who will.

The buck stops at Obama's door and anyone who says differently is diverting us from the real issues and the real truth.




Arturas -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/14/2013 5:14:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

So in 2004, when the IRS was directed to go over the NAACP with the same enthusiasm, it was a Democrat in charge, right? I believe the the then democrat President was Bush... or was he a republican?


Consider that you unknowingly are diverting us from the real issue and the truth. The buck stops with Obama.




SilverMark -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/14/2013 5:20:08 PM)

Hell, there are certain things that sets the bells and whistles off with the IRS, believe me, I know! If the IRS were my responsibility(thank whomever you thank, I am not!) I'd target a few groups for scrutiny that hold 503B and 503C status. Any group that has soverign in their title, a number of churches, and a lot of the so-called patriot groups. Let's be realistic, if you preach politics, tax evasion, alternate ways of tax avoidance etc. I'd look, I'd presume it to be my job to do so. Now it will only become something, if there were directives to do so from on high, which I doubt.




Arturas -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/14/2013 5:24:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

They weren`t the only groups getting more scrutiny......


But because republican have a predisposition toward cry-babyism.....we`re not supposed to consider that the IRS was just doing it`s job while a kuzillion tea-baggers filed all at once.


The beauty part of this is that even though the President had nothing to do with it....the loons are going to believe he did....that he directly targeted THEM....himself......which will cause untold mental anguish and consternation amongst the POS tea-baggers.....

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So, you suggest the IRS was just doing it's job. Let's see what the IRS thinks, oh, surprise! They think you are wrong. So, you also suggest the President had nothing to do with it? How do you know that?
From the Associated Press, May 10:

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Internal Revenue Service apologized Friday for what it acknowledged was "inappropriate" targeting of conservative political groups during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status.




thompsonx -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/14/2013 5:29:10 PM)

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Regardless of what Bush did this is the Government of the United States and it must protect our freedoms and it must advance the cause of liberty or it's elected leaders must be replaced by those who will.


Which freedoms are currently not being protected? I mean the ones you had but the government in the past five years has taken from you?




Arturas -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/14/2013 5:33:19 PM)

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if you preach politics, tax evasion, alternate ways of tax avoidance etc. I'd look, I'd presume it to be my job to do so.


So you suggest the IRS was just doing it's job while investigating pro-GOP groups during the election season, starting in 2010 according to the AP on May 10th, but not apparently having time to do the same with (to?) pro-Obama groups. Just making sure I understand your point and if that is your point then I wanted to ask you if you had a straight face when you wrote that.




Arturas -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/14/2013 5:35:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Regardless of what Bush did this is the Government of the United States and it must protect our freedoms and it must advance the cause of liberty or it's elected leaders must be replaced by those who will.


Which freedoms are currently not being protected? I mean the ones you had but the government in the past five years has taken from you?


That's a great question. Freedom of speech.

When a government agency scans for Americans using certain words and uses those findings to trigger investigations then they tread on this freedom.




cloudboy -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/14/2013 5:38:33 PM)


According to the NYT, the larger issue behind the IRS role in regulating non profits is being ignored, and its policy of scrutinizing small fish in the pond was a poor choice of discretion.

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Uneven I.R.S. Scrutiny Seen in Political Spending by Big Tax-Exempt Groups
By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE

Over the last two years, government watchdog groups filed more than a dozen complaints with the Internal Revenue Service seeking inquiries into whether large nonprofit organizations like those founded by the Republican political operative Karl Rove and former Obama administration aides had violated their tax-exempt status by spending tens of millions of dollars on political advertising.

The I.R.S. never responded.

During the same period, the agency singled out dozens of Tea Party-inspired groups that had applied for I.R.S. recognition, officials acknowledged on Friday, subjecting them to rounds of detailed questioning about their political activities. None of those groups were big spenders on political advertising; most were local Tea Party organizations with shoestring budgets.

For the I.R.S.’s bipartisan legion of critics, the agency’s record has underscored its contradictory and seemingly confused response to the fastest-growing corner in the world of unlimited political spending: tax-exempt groups that have paid for at least half a billion dollars in campaign ads during the last two election cycles.

The I.R.S. has done little to regulate a flood of political spending by larger groups — like Crossroads Grassroots Policy Strategies, co-founded by Mr. Rove, and Priorities USA, with close ties to President Obama — as well as Republican leaders in Congress and other elected officials. And an agency that is supposed to stay as far away from partisan politics as possible has been left in charge — almost by accident — of regulating a huge amount of election spending.

“We’ve complained about a few big fish and we’ve heard nothing from the I.R.S.,” said Paul S. Ryan, senior counsel at the Campaign Legal Center, which filed many of the complaints with the agency. “We would far rather see scrutiny of these big fish — the groups that spent hundreds of millions of dollars to influence elections — than to see the resources spent on hundreds of small groups that appeared to spend very little on elections.”

Almost all of the groups in question are organized under 501(c)(4) of the tax code, which regulates nonprofit groups engaged in promoting “social welfare.” At least 16 such organizations spent a million dollars or more on campaign advertising in the 2012 elections. (Crossroads GPS and Priorities USA also run “super PACs” with similar names that spent millions more.)

But because they purport to be engaged primarily in issue advocacy, not election advocacy, tax-exempt groups are not closely regulated by the Federal Election Commission. That task falls, instead, to the I.R.S., which can take years to investigate problems and is required to do so in strict secrecy.




TheHeretic -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/14/2013 6:09:47 PM)

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Uh-huh... And what wonderful rationalizations might y'all come up with for the IRS employees sharing those confidential records with a liberal advocacy organization? Is that all good, too?

http://www.propublica.org/article/irs-office-that-targeted-tea-party-also-disclosed-confidential-docs






Owner59 -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/14/2013 6:17:47 PM)

Yeah....getting mittens elected = liberty advocacy?


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Try harger and maybe we`ll laugh harder....




DesideriScuri -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/14/2013 8:58:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Well, he wasn't fiscally conservative....LOLOLOLOLOFuckinL


Gotta give credit where credit is due.

Well played, Ron. Well played.




muhly22222 -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/14/2013 9:54:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Yeah....getting mittens elected = liberty advocacy?


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Try harger and maybe we`ll laugh harder....


I believe he actually said "liberal advocacy." Not liberty advocacy. But rather groups that advocate for liberal candidates and/or causes.




SilverMark -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/15/2013 4:42:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Arturas

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if you preach politics, tax evasion, alternate ways of tax avoidance etc. I'd look, I'd presume it to be my job to do so.


So you suggest the IRS was just doing it's job while investigating pro-GOP groups during the election season, starting in 2010 according to the AP on May 10th, but not apparently having time to do the same with (to?) pro-Obama groups. Just making sure I understand your point and if that is your point then I wanted to ask you if you had a straight face when you wrote that.

The pre-supposition was if I, meaning ME, not you, nor anyone else had the responsibility of running the IRS. Those who apply for tax exempt status and preach tax avoidance, would certainly be looked into. I know, a deep concept for you and all, but think about it, it might click for you! Did I suggest they were just doing their job?....Does the post say that, or is it just your comprehension that is off kilter?




Moonhead -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/15/2013 4:44:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Arturas
When a government agency scans for Americans using certain words and uses those findings to trigger investigations then they tread on this freedom.

Right, so paying taxes is an infringement of American freedoms, then.
Small wonder the "conservative" groups are throwing tantrums about IRS audits if that's how they think.
I wonder what the overlap is between the tantrumers and the "conservatives" who are insisting that the deficit must be fixed before they stop fillibustering everything the Kenyan tries to get through the senate?




thompsonx -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/15/2013 7:09:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Arturas


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Regardless of what Bush did this is the Government of the United States and it must protect our freedoms and it must advance the cause of liberty or it's elected leaders must be replaced by those who will.


Which freedoms are currently not being protected? I mean the ones you had but the government in the past five years has taken from you?


That's a great question. Freedom of speech.

When a government agency scans for Americans using certain words and uses those findings to trigger investigations then they tread on this freedom.



How so?




angelikaJ -> RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question (5/15/2013 7:19:52 AM)

FR:
Good discussion here:
The Diane Rhem Show

The Internal Revenue Service is accused of unfairly scrutinizing some conservative organizations. Understanding which groups qualify for tax-exempt status and why.




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