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IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 8:14:48 AM   
cloudboy


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Status: offline 		My understanding IRS-Conservative issue is:

The IRS was reviewing non-profit status applications from conservative organizations with a heightened scrutiny. The IRS was not auditing conservative organizations or ipso-facto denying conservative non profit applications. Is this correct?

I see the same type of heightened scrutiny from the USCIS towards small businesses trying to sponsor their employees for green cards and employment. The regulator requests more evidence to make a decision b/c they suspect smaller businesses of fraud more so than bigger businesses.

I don't like it when a client is targeted, but if the facts support my client I will win the outcome because I can produce the evidence to win.

In the IRS case its officers suspected that conservative non profit applications were fraudulent or in non compliance with IRS rules, so requests for further information/evidence where issued to the petitioners. Is this the extent of the issue?

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For what its worth, Republicans in Congress are littering Obama's agency nominees with reams of questions. The EPA nominee was asked to answer over 2000 written questions issued by Congressional Republicans.

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Back to the Conservative organizations applying for non profit status. If they merit the status and can prove it, they will get it. The issue seems to be having to meet a greater burden of proof in the application process than other applicants.

Please correct me if I am wrong in any of my thinking above.

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RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 8:38:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		That all sounds about right, but when have facts ever stopped Republican "conservatives" screaming like a slapped toddler while playing victim to everybody whose attention their tantrum can attract?

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RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 8:48:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		They weren`t the only groups getting more scrutiny......


But because republican have a predisposition toward cry-babyism.....we`re not supposed to consider that the IRS was just doing it`s job while a kuzillion tea-baggers filed all at once.


The beauty part of this is that even though the President had nothing to do with it....the loons are going to believe he did....that he directly targeted THEM....himself......which will cause untold mental anguish and consternation amongst the POS tea-baggers.....




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RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 9:22:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy
My understanding IRS-Conservative issue is:
The IRS was reviewing non-profit status applications from conservative organizations with a heightened scrutiny. The IRS was not auditing conservative organizations or ipso-facto denying conservative non profit applications. Is this correct?
I see the same type of heightened scrutiny from the USCIS towards small businesses trying to sponsor their employees for green cards and employment. The regulator requests more evidence to make a decision b/c they suspect smaller businesses of fraud more so than bigger businesses.
I don't like it when a client is targeted, but if the facts support my client I will win the outcome because I can produce the evidence to win.
In the IRS case its officers suspected that conservative non profit applications were fraudulent or in non compliance with IRS rules, so requests for further information/evidence where issued to the petitioners. Is this the extent of the issue?
Back to the Conservative organizations applying for non profit status. If they merit the status and can prove it, they will get it. The issue seems to be having to meet a greater burden of proof in the application process than other applicants.
Please correct me if I am wrong in any of my thinking above.


There was a concerted effort on the part of an IRS office in Cincinnati to scrutinize certain groups more than other groups. These groups contained, within their names, "tea party" and/or "patriot." The former will typically only be used by conservative groups, while conservative or liberal groups can lay claim to being patriots. Had there been any groups found to not be meeting the necessary documentation or whatever, to qualify as tax-exempt, there would show to be good reason for the increased scrutiny. There weren't any cases where the applications were denied, though. So, for all the applications processed in the Cincinnati office (unless they process each and every application from the entire nation), there isn't damning evidence that this goes any higher up the IRS administrative hierarchy, let alone any higher than the IRS.

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For what its worth, Republicans in Congress are littering Obama's agency nominees with reams of questions. The EPA nominee was asked to answer over 2000 written questions issued by Congressional Republicans.
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Not worth anything. Completely different.


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RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 9:45:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Those were not the only words in the names searched.  And to say 'patriot' would be a moniker owned or describing exlcusively a teabagger group would be the ultimate definition of 'fucking stupid'.



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RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 10:34:31 AM   
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Those were not the only words in the names searched.  And to say 'patriot' would be a moniker owned or describing exlcusively a teabagger group would be the ultimate definition of 'fucking stupid'.


Is that your way of agreeing with me?


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RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 10:43:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		If we are agreeing that the teabaggers are fucking stupid; I'm your huckleberry.

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RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 10:54:37 AM   
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If we are agreeing that the teabaggers are fucking stupid; I'm your huckleberry.


You might be a huckleberry, but you certainly aren't my huckleberry.

We agree that the term "Patriot" isn't exclusive to tea party groups.


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RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 10:57:47 AM   
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and of the 300 or so that were netted, only 75 were conservative in nature.

Yeah, targeted like diarheaa targets electrons.

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RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 11:41:49 AM   
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They weren`t the only groups getting more scrutiny......

Israel related groups, too.

But the problem isn't the scrutiny, it's the smell.

Z Street filed a lawsuit against the IRS in 2010 alleging that one of its attorneys were told its application for tax exemption was delayed and sent to a “special unit…to determine whether the organization’s activities contradict the Administration’s public policies.”

K.

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RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 11:49:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		No problem with the stench at all, if the NFL, NHL, PGA et al are non-profits, certainly teabaggers are non-profit, they do not advocate actually profiting America.

Slam dunk, I should think.

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RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 11:58:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
We agree that the term "Patriot" isn't exclusive to tea party groups.

That isn't how you spell "applicable".

"Jingoism" seems a far more appropriate term for the teabag massive than patriotism.

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RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 12:01:51 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		But still and all with this non-profit status...I don't get the bitch whatsoever....


"Trust, but verify."

The much vaunted St. Wrinklemeat. 


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RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 1:17:24 PM   
cloudboy


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"Trust, but verify."


That was Gorbachev.

Thanks for the responses. I have first hand experience what its like to receive a request for more information from a government agency.

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RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 1:22:23 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As6y5eI01XE (the proverb is russky)

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RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 1:27:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
In the IRS case its officers suspected that conservative non profit applications were fraudulent or in non compliance with IRS rules, so requests for further information/evidence where issued to the petitioners. Is this the extent of the issue?


The IRS suspected these groups simply because of their affiliation. No evidence has been shown that they were any more likely to be fraudulent or non compliant than any other applications. This isn't really much different from being suspicious of someone who is black because they are black.

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RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 1:33:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pretty inept analogy, since they didn't actually target 'CONSERVATIVE' groups for a closer look, but political groups.

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RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 1:36:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Those were not the only words in the names searched.  And to say 'patriot' would be a moniker owned or describing exlcusively a teabagger group would be the ultimate definition of 'fucking stupid'.


Is that your way of agreeing with me?


The head of the IRS has admitted that conservative groups were targeted.

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RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 1:50:28 PM   
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RE: IRS -- Targeting of Conservatives Question - 5/14/2013 2:00:34 PM   
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Please review the actual text and then the howling of the teabaggers. 

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