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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

p.s. I just want to clarify something. My stance on diet is about cancer in particular - and really focused on prevention and treatment.

I think using diet and, particularly cardio/high intensity exercise to maintain overall good health is EXTREMELY important. I eat carefully, and work out regularly. I am certainly not encouraging people to lead unhealthy lives and rely only on surgery to cure what ails.

I am speaking very specifically of high risk cancer situations where unfortunately, surgery is often an important part of both prevention and treatment. I look forward to the day when that is NOT true, but we are not there, yet. And until we are there, I think surgical and invasive options will continue to be part of the picture of cancer treatment and prevention.

We are not even at the stage where cancer can be diagnosed without an invasive procedure (biopsy). :(

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: Aswad
Of course, this also reminds me how great it is to live with universalized healthcare. It simply hadn't occured to me to consider that this might not be covered.

And don't forget that "covered" implies "insured" -- which is FAR FAR from a certain thing in the US. I would personally guess there are VAST swathes of US women who could not make the same choice Ms. Jolie did.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: Aswad
Of course, this also reminds me how great it is to live with universalized healthcare. It simply hadn't occured to me to consider that this might not be covered.

And don't forget that "covered" implies "insured" -- which is FAR FAR from a certain thing in the US. I would personally guess there are VAST swathes of US women who could not make the same choice Ms. Jolie did.

It would be interesting to know if Medicaid or Medicare would cover it.

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Bilateral prophylactic mastectomy is medically appropriate in patients with no cancer
diagnosis in
any
of the following clinical scenerios that portend a high risk of cancer:
1.
Atypical hyperplasia
of lobular or ductal origin confirmed on biopsy by a
qua
lified pathologist. This diagnosis takes on added significance if atypical
hyperplasia is present in multiple sites in a breast and/or if it is bilateral.
2.
Family history of breast and /or ovarian cancer
in a first
-
degree relative,
(especially a mother or
sister) who is premenopausal and has had bilateral
breast cancer (family cancer syndrome),
with no demonstrative mutation
or
a
known mutation of BRCA 1 or BRCA2 breast cancer susceptibility genes.*
3.
Dense, fibronodular breasts
that are mammographically or c
linically difficult to
evaluate in a patient with either (or both) of the above clinical presentations .
The combination of atypical hyperplasia with a family history of breast cancer
implies significant risk (8
-
l0x) in excess of that of index populations.
4.
Family history of multiple family members with bilateral and/or pre
-
menopausal and/or male breast cancer
may be associated with a familial
breast cancer syndrome. Genetic counseling should be strongly considered,
although prophylactic surgery is appropri
ate in women with a family history
consistent with genetic predisposition and no demonstrative genetic mutation.*

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Cancer is NOT a chronic illness. You cavalierly stating if she followed this type of diet, she wouldn't have needed surgery or gotten cancer is presumptious and silly. A special diet to SUPPORT a chronic illness or even cancer is fine, but it has neither been proven a cure nor an absolute preventative measure.

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ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Cancer is NOT a chronic illness. You cavalierly stating if she followed this type of diet, she wouldn't have needed surgery or gotten cancer is presumptious and silly. A special diet to SUPPORT a chronic illness or even cancer is fine, but it has neither been proven a cure nor an absolute preventative measure.

I doubt many suppose diet can cure cancer. But the idea that diet can prevent cancer is very far from silly.

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She did not need to have this done, Japanese women have a very large incident of carrying this same gene and one of the lowest rates of breast cancer. We can heal ourselves and while I do not envy being a mother in that position she was in, I would have looked into other options first.

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: Aswad
Of course, this also reminds me how great it is to live with universalized healthcare. It simply hadn't occured to me to consider that this might not be covered.

And don't forget that "covered" implies "insured" -- which is FAR FAR from a certain thing in the US. I would personally guess there are VAST swathes of US women who could not make the same choice Ms. Jolie did.

It would be interesting to know if Medicaid or Medicare would cover it.

According to this link they do...

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Bilateral prophylactic mastectomy is medically appropriate in patients with no cancer
diagnosis in
any
of the following clinical scenerios that portend a high risk of cancer:
1.
Atypical hyperplasia
of lobular or ductal origin confirmed on biopsy by a
qua
lified pathologist. This diagnosis takes on added significance if atypical
hyperplasia is present in multiple sites in a breast and/or if it is bilateral.
2.
Family history of breast and /or ovarian cancer
in a first
-
degree relative,
(especially a mother or
sister) who is premenopausal and has had bilateral
breast cancer (family cancer syndrome),
with no demonstrative mutation
or
a
known mutation of BRCA 1 or BRCA2 breast cancer susceptibility genes.*
3.
Dense, fibronodular breasts
that are mammographically or c
linically difficult to
evaluate in a patient with either (or both) of the above clinical presentations .
The combination of atypical hyperplasia with a family history of breast cancer
implies significant risk (8
-
l0x) in excess of that of index populations.
4.
Family history of multiple family members with bilateral and/or pre
-
menopausal and/or male breast cancer
may be associated with a familial
breast cancer syndrome. Genetic counseling should be strongly considered,
although prophylactic surgery is appropri
ate in women with a family history
consistent with genetic predisposition and no demonstrative genetic mutation.*

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ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Cancer is NOT a chronic illness. You cavalierly stating if she followed this type of diet, she wouldn't have needed surgery or gotten cancer is presumptious and silly. A special diet to SUPPORT a chronic illness or even cancer is fine, but it has neither been proven a cure nor an absolute preventative measure.

I doubt many suppose diet can cure cancer. But the idea that diet can prevent cancer is very far from silly.

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I don't think what Jolie did was particularly courageous or brave...

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ORIGINAL: outlier
My belief is that his role has been critical and
speaks volumes for him as a man. 

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: outlier
My belief is that his role has been critical and
speaks volumes for him as a man. 

I agree with that, very much.. I think it helps that he has played that role, as it shows women that they are more than their boobs and that a woman that has had that surgery can still captivate a man's attention (a good man, that is, not the douche dudes but who needs that type of guy anyway?)...

I think posters have not forgotten about him and his role, but there is that tangent of "diet" that has sorta shifted the subject somewhat..

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
While I whole heartedly agree that men should think this way, when it comes to Brad Pitt, you can't help but look at the women he has been with. While none of them are *just* there boides, I'm sure (seeing as how I don't know them), all of them have hit the "most beautiful" list for their physical appearance at least once. And Jolie would still be considered beautiful without her breasts. I would be more impressed if he stayed with and gave that support if the person were to become really disfigured to the point of not being able to make that list anymore, say like what happed to Ebert with his thyroid surgery. When he supports a woman who loses have her face and sticks around, I will be impressed.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
While I whole heartedly agree that men should think this way, when it comes to Brad Pitt, you can't help but look at the women he has been with. While none of them are *just* there boides, I'm sure (seeing as how I don't know them), all of them have hit the "most beautiful" list for their physical appearance at least once. And Jolie would still be considered beautiful without her breasts. I would be more impressed if he stayed with and gave that support if the person were to become really disfigured to the point of not being able to make that list anymore, say like what happed to Ebert with his thyroid surgery. When he supports a woman who loses have her face and sticks around, I will be impressed.

sure but she is no longer "perfect".. and some of those other rich, famous dudes would have dropped her like a rock for just thinking of doing the surgery.. Imo if she was with someone like.. say... George Clooney, he would have been outta there in a shot.. yeah, I think George is one of the shallow dudes.. I am sure he isnt the only one either.. Being rich, famous & in Hollywood it is hard enough to keep a marriage together, so few last as it is.. Not to mention its one thing doing the surgery and another thing making it public.. I wonder how many men (rich or not) said to themselves that no way would they have stayed with her like Pitt has.. but again, who needs the douches anyway..

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
While I whole heartedly agree that men should think this way, when it comes to Brad Pitt, you can't help but look at the women he has been with. While none of them are *just* there boides, I'm sure (seeing as how I don't know them), all of them have hit the "most beautiful" list for their physical appearance at least once. And Jolie would still be considered beautiful without her breasts. I would be more impressed if he stayed with and gave that support if the person were to become really disfigured to the point of not being able to make that list anymore, say like what happed to Ebert with his thyroid surgery. When he supports a woman who loses have her face and sticks around, I will be impressed.

sure but she is no longer "perfect".. and some of those other rich, famous dudes would have dropped her like a rock for just thinking of doing the surgery.. Imo if she was with someone like.. say... George Clooney, he would have been outta there in a shot.. yeah, I think George is one of the shallow dudes.. I am sure he isnt the only one either.. Being rich, famous & in Hollywood it is hard enough to keep a marriage together, so few last as it is.. Not to mention its one thing doing the surgery and another thing making it public.. I wonder how many men (rich or not) said to themselves that no way would they have stayed with her like Pitt has.. but again, who needs the douches anyway..