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MrRodgers -> Time to become a farmer ? (5/14/2013 5:35:39 PM)

$100 billion a year for 5 years.

That's the price being paid by the taxpayers to mostly accommodate the 'risk' of farming.

Much of the 'protection' offers farmers instead of a cash subsidy (checks sent out) would be the crop insurance program.

The writer: "I believe that expecting farmers who purchase crop insurance subsidized by taxpayers to meet the basic conservation requirements that have been in place for more than 25 years is a reasonable exchange."

Umm...sounds just like Obamacare for crops. And while this bill calls for cuts in household food Ikids) and heating support...that's just ok. I still get my 'price protection.'

While the taxpayers pay 60% of the cost of that insurance, more disturbing is that certain crops qualify for q quick application for and payment of 'price protections.'

Sure wish I had a bill in Wash. that would protect the price of my products.

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fucktoyprincess -> RE: Time to become a farmer ? (5/14/2013 6:48:44 PM)

Haven't conservation payments been around since the Great Depression when the government had to provide incentives to farmers to utilize farming methods to keep more soil from eroding away in the central part of the country?

The entire middle part of the country was originally grassland, and our trying to farm this land has destroyed the ecosystem there. Farming that part of the country only occurs because of two things: technology (irrigation, pesticides, herbicides, selective breeding) and government subsidy. Get rid of the subsidies and you have to be willing to let the middle part of the country return to grassland. Which, btw, might not be a bad idea. I just want people to understand the implications of no government subsidies for farmers.



Marini -> RE: Time to become a farmer ? (5/15/2013 8:39:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
$100 billion a year for 5 years.

That's the price being paid by the taxpayers to mostly accommodate the 'risk' of farming.

Much of the 'protection' offers farmers instead of a cash subsidy (checks sent out) would be the crop insurance program.

The writer: "I believe that expecting farmers who purchase crop insurance subsidized by taxpayers to meet the basic conservation requirements that have been in place for more than 25 years is a reasonable exchange."

Umm...sounds just like Obamacare for crops. And while this bill calls for cuts in household food Ikids) and heating support...that's just ok. I still get my 'price protection.'

While the taxpayers pay 60% of the cost of that insurance, more disturbing is that certain crops qualify for q quick application for and payment of 'price protections.'

Sure wish I had a bill in Wash. that would protect the price of my products.

Here


Thanks for sharing, Mr. Rodgers.
I have a keen interest in farming, agriculture, and the behemoth called agribusiness.
These are the best of times, and the worst of times.
What the hell are we eating these days?
Do most people want to know?



tj444 -> RE: Time to become a farmer ? (5/15/2013 9:06:01 PM)

First, some of that cost goes to insurance corps.. so yeah, just like Obamacare those corps have their stickly lil fingers in the pie..

But.. according to the wiki definition: "Crop insurance is purchased by agricultural producers, including farmers, ranchers, and others to protect themselves against either the loss of their crops due to natural disasters, such as hail, drought, and floods, or the loss of revenue due to declines in the prices of agricultural commodities."

Now lets take a look at other natural disasters, like Sandy.. "Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s latest request for federal aid to help New York recover from Hurricane Sandy presents a shattering picture of what a giant storm can do to a dense metropolitan area."

Two situations of natural disasters.. why shouldnt farmers be helped just as Sandy victims or Katrina victims are helped??? At least with farmers its just part of the cost of insurance that the feds help with, not the huge costs of Sandy or Katrina, etc..

Farming is not easy, especially for small farmers.. if you want to maintain that industry then you have to support it.. unless you prefer to "outsource" yer blueberries to Chili and support their economy instead, etc & eventually most of your food sourcing, just as your manufacturing has disappeared.. not to mention having less quality control when its outsourced to another country.. I admit that I do have a bias in favor of (small) farmers since that is how I grew up..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_insurance
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/28/opinion/hurricane-sandys-rising-costs.html?_r=0



Marini -> RE: Time to become a farmer ? (5/15/2013 9:34:19 PM)

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Farming is not easy, especially for small farmers.. if you want to maintain that industry then you have to support it.. unless you prefer to "outsource" yer blueberries to Chili and support their economy instead, etc & eventually most of your food sourcing, just as your manufacturing has disappeared.. not to mention having less quality control when its outsourced to another country.. I admit that I do have a bias in favor of (small) farmers since that is how I grew up..


I would love to see small farmers get A LOT more support.
It just seems that most of the support goes to agribusiness, and very
little to the small farmers.



MrRodgers -> RE: Time to become a farmer ? (5/17/2013 2:18:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

Haven't conservation payments been around since the Great Depression when the government had to provide incentives to farmers to utilize farming methods to keep more soil from eroding away in the central part of the country?

The entire middle part of the country was originally grassland, and our trying to farm this land has destroyed the ecosystem there. Farming that part of the country only occurs because of two things: technology (irrigation, pesticides, herbicides, selective breeding) and government subsidy. Get rid of the subsidies and you have to be willing to let the middle part of the country return to grassland. Which, btw, might not be a bad idea. I just want people to understand the implications of no government subsidies for farmers.

BUT...still, there are two things, one with the advance in agriculture as has been in other industries, the small farmer benefits the least from subsidies and created a farm welfare state at that level...I've seen it. With technology, the biggies can handle US demand as we are almost always the world's largest agricultural exporter.

Plus add in subsidies despite record prices anyway. The rise in corn was almost exclusively caused by the bullshit subsidy to add it to gas, which is without benefit to us, the environment or the economy. (corn is used to make methanol which is then added to gasoline) Then we pass a tariff on foreign ethanol (they kick our ass) to protect the subsidy price.

No shocks here. I say we trim subsidies and then ween the whole industry off the dole and hit subsidized imports with a tariff.



fucktoyprincess -> RE: Time to become a farmer ? (5/17/2013 8:05:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

No shocks here. I say we trim subsidies and then ween the whole industry off the dole and hit subsidized imports with a tariff.


That's fine, but then the middle part of the country, that produces a big percent of food for both livestock and humans, will be wiped out because the area will return to grasslands without this government support. So how do we, as a country, replace that? Imports? You can't farm on grassland without subsidies. Just tell me where the farming industry can move to?



mnottertail -> RE: Time to become a farmer ? (5/17/2013 8:12:04 AM)

No, they wont grow food stocks (at least here) they will grow stuff that makes more money, you will be without bread, and without cornstuff.  

The government only bankrolls you if you plant so much wheat (in wheat base land) or so much corn (in corn base land)

Banks aren't bankrolling 100000 dollar diesel bill a 100000 land payment and 100000 fertilizer and 100000 seed bill (nevermind tractors, plows, drills and whatnot as well as living for a year) on a payment after the crop is sold. 


They would plant soybeans, sunflowers, and canola.  Makes fucked up bread and cereal for the kiddies.



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