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Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/16/2013 11:21:47 AM   
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In another post, I mentioned I had to take back a camera. It took pictures okay, but the flash didn't work. Despite having an Associate's in IT, I know jack-all about digital cameras. Here are my requirements:
1. It has to take good close-up shots. I have some stuff I want to sell online and I need good images.
2. Has to be fairly compact. I plan on using this when the GF and I go to Ireland next year, and I don't want to haul any more
gear than absolutely necessary.
3. Affordable. Not "cheap", I can score those any day of the week. I'm looking at under $100, maybe a bit more. I don't want to
wail/gnash teeth if it disappears, either due to theft or my own stupidity.
4. Rugged. See above mention of "my own stupidity". Water-resistant is a big plus.

Thanks in advance. I know I'm behind the curve on this, and I don't like or want to use a camera on my phone. I only have a cellphone that makes calls & texts. It's got a camera, but a real shitty one, and I don't like spending extra $$ for the privilege of uploading my photos.

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RE: Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/16/2013 11:47:14 AM   
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I could be wrong, but I do not think you will find a great camera for 100 or less dollars.

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RE: Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/16/2013 12:13:30 PM   
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Good camera, maybe. Great camera, no. Obviously, I'm willing and able to go up if need be, but I'm leery about dropping a couple hundred on a gadget that might grow legs. I was more or less looking for anyone's personal experiences with X brand, particularly looking for the ones to stay away from.

I just bought a Vivitar (and returned it the next day) because A. It didn't work properly, and B. Customer service was a joke in bad taste. Simple question: how do I troubleshoot a camera where the flash doesn't work? Answer? Ship it to us (at my expense) and we'll see.

I want/need a camera now, so rather than the heartache of playing 21 questions with someone on the other side of the planet I took it back to the store. That's more or less my question: what are you (meaning the board as a whole) using and what would you recommend? Or not. I'll probably end up going to Wally-World anyway and taking a chance, but I thought I'd take a shot at it this way.

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RE: Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/16/2013 12:15:20 PM   
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A few years ago I bought a Panasonic Lumix DMC-LS70 for less than £100 (about $150) and I'm sure you can get something like that these days for a lot less than what I paid for mine.
It'll take a standard 2/4/8/16GB SD card - so not that expensive.
That'll give you about 9,000 pics at 1024x768 resolution before you need to offload them or stick another SD card into it.
It also does movies (in .MOV format).
It has Intelligent ISO as well as 6x optical zoom.
It's pretty much 'Point & Click'.
Built-in flash with auto, red-eye, on/off modes.
Loads of built-in options including day/night/cloud/sun etc and a 'Macro' setting for real (3" or less) close-up pics.
Mine is quite old now and is only a 6Mpixel camera. The more modern ones are even better.
To swap the SD card takes about 4-5 seconds from start to finish and you're ready to go again.
Flip the cover, press to release (it's spring loaded), remove, replace, press to engage, close cover.
You don't need any special software to upload/download anything to/from the SD card.
Just plug it straight into any SD car reader and it sees it as a removable media.

The only delicate thing really is the back viewing panel that is glass.
I have dropped mine down the toilet, been run over accidentally - and it still works perfectly well.
I can't recall how many times I've actually dropped it onto the pavement or concrete road or indoors. lol.

So there's bound to be something out there for under $100.



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RE: Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/16/2013 1:42:42 PM   
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I have always had great experiences with Canon. My current one is a Canon and I love it, though it's a DSLR. But, my previous camera was a compact point and shoot Canon and the pics always turned out great - just wanted to upgrade. You should be able to get around 16MP for around your price range.
I've owned Sony in the past - both were horrible. I've also owned Kodak and that wasn't bad.

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RE: Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/16/2013 2:04:43 PM   
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Go to any Best Buy and ask about their reconditioned cameras (I believe you can shop for them, online, also). You'll get some decent bang for your buck.



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RE: Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/16/2013 2:06:28 PM   
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Just be careful with Best Buy (I used to work for them) - they run some of the worst scams and offer some of the worst services. You may want to go there to tinker with some of the models to see how you like the features and quality and then just search for that on Amazon or elsewhere.

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RE: Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/16/2013 3:07:32 PM   
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From what you're saying, I suspect you'll want an Canon Ixus (Ars has a 300HS), which will give you what I'm sure you'll consider good image quality, and will do video. It's very small, not particularly heavy, does "macro" shots, has some optical zoom, and so forth. Not a sports camera, and not waterproof, but it's not flimsy, either. Ars has been quite happy with hers, and it's one of those cameras that will just get the job done.

The Ixus series should have something in the price range you're looking for.

Personally, I would consider borrowing the Canon PowerShot SX50HS on deposit. You may find that the 24~1200mm (50x optical zoom) lens and decent image sensor provide something you can't get in the range you're looking for. The weight and size are higher, but not as high as for a normal reflex camera, and you don't need to fiddle with objectives and the like. Image quality will be better, and it does HD video (1080p24), plus slow motion video (up to 240fps at reduced resolution). With a price tag of $500 or so, it's more expensive than what you're looking for, but I think it's worth borrowing to check it out anyway.

Then again, I'm used to hauling three different objectives and a reflex camera, so take the recommendation with a grain of salt.

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RE: Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/16/2013 3:51:50 PM   
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I have a Nikon Cool Pix L4 point and shoot. I bought it about seven years ago for about $100. A cursory glance shows that essentially equivalent models are now in the $100 - $200 range but they boast better features (pixel count, etc.). My camera fits all of your criteria and I could not be happier with it. If I lost this one I'd buy another Nikon point and shoot in a heartbeat.

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RE: Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/16/2013 4:03:32 PM   
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I had a kodak easy share that I got at Walmart online for about $60. It took pretty good pics and was pretty rugged, I tend to drop stuff. Uploading pics was easy, plug in the cable and it automatically did everything. Trust me, what I know about technology you can stick in your eye and not feel a thing, so I was seriously looking for simple. The picture quality was great, up close or panned out. Not sure what I did to it, it froze up one day and I couldn't get it to reset. Took it to a place to get it fixed and just plain forgot about it due to some things going on. By the time I'd remembered it, the guy had sold it as abandoned.

If you're just looking for a quality point and shoot, I'd recommend and easy share, my sister has had hers for years and never had a bit of problem with it. If I decide to get another digital camera, I'll most likely get another easy share. Personally, if I'm taking serious pics, I use my pentax K-1000 35 mm one.

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RE: Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/16/2013 10:30:12 PM   
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Thanks all! Now I have some places to start from. MistressJude, I agree with you on Best Buy-won't get into details, but an experience there with a DVD player convinced me to never go back again. I've just never needed a digital camera before (or frankly any camera), so I am way behind the curve on this tech. The last camera I bought was a disposable, and I managed to put off getting it developed for so long the film froze up inside. Looks like I'm going shopping this weekend...

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RE: Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/16/2013 11:03:06 PM   
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Mine is a Canon Powershot A1000 IS. It was the most aggressive sounding camera on the shelf at that time. A ten megapixel camera. 4x4=16x zoom. I got sand in the retractable lens mechanism once, but other than that it has been great. I use rechargeable batteries, they work fine. I have a 4 gig magazine. That is 880 full size superfine grain photos. Or 30 minutes of 720p. You can stick any chip you want in there, but faster is better. I tried to send you some sample pics, but seem to have not... probably choked someones server.

The current offering is an A1400. A 16 megapixel unit. 5x4=20x zoom. It goes for $110, so says Canon. The SD, SDHC, or SDXC Memory Card is extra. It does everything my camera does and more, and does it better. Except for HD Video. Still 720p. The shape is the same, and fills my hand well. You can screw it onto a tripod. Just over 6 ounces w/ batteries and chip. You should go the $5 and get a protective case for it.

Here is the page :

https://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/digital_cameras/powershot_a1400#Specifications

If my camera broke today, this is the one I would buy.

Note of caution : Canon does make more expensive cameras, but they DON'T have better specs.

https://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/digital_cameras

ETA : I meant more expensive 'A' series cameras.

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RE: Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/17/2013 1:29:21 AM   
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I have a Hewlett packaRd and a cannon and daddy inherited a Kodak. I love all 3 of the little buggers.0

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RE: Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/17/2013 12:27:18 PM   
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If you are truly serious about finding the best camera for your needs, I recommend www.bhphoto.com.

They have a wealth of information online as well as great customer service. In the past when I have been unsure about what to buy, I simply emailed them my choices and what my anticipated use was and they would give me their opinions. No it wasn't always the most expensive option.

They carry current models of cameras as well as still new but older models with a full warranty and a discounted price.

As for my own choice, I have several cameras, my point and shoot is a Fuji fine pix. I've had it several years and it does a good job.

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RE: Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/17/2013 6:19:57 PM   
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What do you all recommend if the person wants to take pics pretty much one after the other almost immediatly, and works well even. In perceived dim lighting?

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RE: Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/17/2013 7:14:57 PM   
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There are darn few inadequate cameras on the market. Fuji, Canon, Nikon, Lumix and the rest just keep getting better. A few minutes on Google finds camera test web sites with no ax to grind, just user tests. Forget digital zoom, it sucks and you can do it later on your computer at home with out losing the data the zoom clips out at the time. Big zooms in small cameras are SLOW! If you won't carry a tripod, the stronger telephotos are useless.
Most pocket cameras now have macro focus that beats even dedicated Macro lens for SLR bodies. But ASK.
Storage chips keep getting smaller and cheaper. The smallest are hard to handle with older eyes and even easier to lose! But huge storage capacity can mean a whole vacation goes on one chip. Download Every day anyway, losing the camera shouldn't mean losing all your vacation images.
Many current phone cams do what the OP needs, the phones can be more expensive than a camera that does all that? Why carry two items if one does what you need? Some are 'waterproof' to varying degrees. 5 meter or more means it's an adequate snorkling camera if you aren't really ambitious. Most also now have HD video. PRACTICE all the functions well before departure and carry the user manual at all times. I KNOW Canon cameras and never leave home without the book. Its parked in the camera bag in the cover flap pocket.
I've worked professionally and prefer access to all the controls. Current programmed auto cameras do much better for most of us in almost all situations. Manual controls do a few things I like but require education and experience.
Learn how to do exposure control, most cameras have it. It can make a marginal image say what you want clearly. Shoot a Lot of images of important stuff. You can always delete the poor images, you can't take more once you leave, exposure control is huge in difficult lighting. If the camera has a spot metering function, it serves as exposure control if you choose your spot brighter or darker than the center of the eventual image. You need a way to lock exposure to do this. It won't happen with out practice. In strong backlight, or bright reflections it can be essential. avoid the hassle and shoot with the Sun behind you when possible. Pros do. Or carry strong flash equipment, not your option?
Store images in Raw if it's available, you gain sometimes 2 stops of exposure latitude in the file and a bit of sharpness. If you need useable net images on the spot, Don't! Shoot in the file size you need if you don't have the ability to reduce files with you. For instant image tranfer (Which phones do better), you may have the option to save a Raw file and another of reduced pixel count at the same time. Why even guys should RTFM! If you expect to do photo manipulation once home, big image files preserve options and it's simple to reduce them down to email or web page size on a computer photo app.
If the camera uses proprietary batteries (Not AAA or such) REMEMBER THE CHARGER! And buy an extra battery for extended shooting sessions. Many of us won't repeat a holiday trip. You may have a photo opportunity of a lifetime, don't waste it with a dead battery or full storage media. Shoot too many images! Waiting for the perfect shot means getting No shot many times. Shoot immediately, fast and often and then work on quality when you have the basic image in the camera. Many chances last but seconds, particularly with wildlife and weather. Getting anal means missing the shot totally. Pros shoot all the images they have the time, money and energy for, then throw away all but 2.
Check motor drive speed (Images per second) and number of consecutive images you can shoot before filling up the buffer and have to wait for it to process. This is what you pay big bucks for with more expensive cameras more than anything else! Be realistic about what you need. If you Have to capture wildlife or sports with very few chances, you need at Least 5 frames a second and will always wish you had 10 f/sec. Which Costs for a large DSLR and separate objective lenses. But is how most such images happen.
Look at shutter lag, another thing you pay to improve. A cheap pocket cam may do everything else well but the shutter lag means you always miss the image you need of a dynamic situation. Balance the inconvenience of a heavy photo bag against what you require for the image? A latest model Canon Rebel may be your real need, lens selection makes or breaks the usefulness of a DSLR. Scenery or table top product shots look fine on medium to large file (6 mp or better) pocket cams with any shutter lag since nothing is moving. Small light tripods do squat in wind but can make low light shots great that are impossible hand held.
Check autofocus function in time to return a faulty camera. I took a bag of disposable cameras on a never to be repeated trip and Every camera had soft focus, nothing was usable. English doesn't express my feelings about that well.
Check your shots every day if not at the end of every session. If the camera fails, you need to know ASAP and another sourced.

Don't be chimping during a photo shoot. Film pros laughed to see new digital shooters always going, "Ohh! Ohh! Ohh!" over some image they shot and were admiring on the rear view screen. The more experienced pros where shooting everything that happened out in front while the chimper got excited about what he'd already shot. Who GOT THE SHOT?? The people always looking and shooting. Digital cameras can be like living life through a rear view mirror. Keep your head up and keep Shooting!

Images are about light, not the image capture equipment. Study the tool enough to use it then search for magic light. Time on the net or in photo books studying light and lighting are more productive than studying cameras once you know the controls. Dawns and sunsets are often the best. Noon usually sucks for people Or landscapes. Side light shows shapes and textures. Straight overhead Sun makes people look Bad. Shoot the action whenever and where ever it happens!

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RE: Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/17/2013 9:22:03 PM   
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What do you all recommend if the person wants to take pics pretty much one after the other almost immediatly, and works well even. In perceived dim lighting?

That is a question I didn't think to ask. The GF and I will be indoors at clubs a good portion of our time there, as well as inside certain historical buildings that don't have good light. I know most cameras come with a flash, but that's not the be-all and end-all. I may postpone the shopping trip until I do a little more research.

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RE: Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/17/2013 9:23:14 PM   
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Tons of info, all good, Thanks!

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RE: Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/17/2013 9:30:12 PM   
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What do you all recommend if the person wants to take pics pretty much one after the other almost immediatly, and works well even. In perceived dim lighting?

That is a question I didn't think to ask. The GF and I will be indoors at clubs a good portion of our time there, as well as inside certain historical buildings that don't have good light. I know most cameras come with a flash, but that's not the be-all and end-all. I may postpone the shopping trip until I do a little more research.

In a compact point and shoot you won't likely find their light sensitivity is that great, the digital SLR's can shoot to the equivalent of the old 1600 ISO/ASA level, but the compacts aren't that good, so you will probably be using the flash a lot. The point and shoots from Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Fujii and Minolta are all pretty nice, but I tend to like either Canon or Nikon. Check out Tiger electronics, they often have reconditioned models are pretty cool prices. The MP nonsense is just that, the whole 10 mega pixel, 16 mega pixel is meaningless unless you are planning on blowing them up big. On the other hand, the light sensitivity (equivalent to ISO) is critical, macro capability is great, and also see the recharge rate (not the battery, time between pictures). Nikon and Canon tend to lead the pack in those areas IME.

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RE: Need a Good Digital Camera - 5/17/2013 9:39:58 PM   
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Excellent points to consider. There are a couple places Carol wants to see (and be photographed in) that I know intuitively will be bad in every sense of the word. And I know she'll want to blow some of them up after the fact. Thank you, you're definitely helping me narrow the list down considerably.

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