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IRS special prosecutor

A special prosecutor is needed, and one will be appointed

21% (7)

A special prosecutor is needed, but it won't happen

31% (10)

No special prosecutor is needed, and there won't be one

25% (8)

No special prosecutor is needed, but there will be one anyway

21% (7)

Total Votes : 32

(last vote on : 6/20/2013 3:02:11 PM)
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DomKen -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/18/2013 11:24:38 AM)
Special prosecutors are for when the people to be investigated are high government officials who it is reasonable to assume the regular prosecutors in the DOJ would be unwilling or unable to investigate fully. This tempest in a teapot ain't that. This is a few guys in Cincinnati nobody has ever heard of and who wield no clout with federal prosecutors. Although it should be kept in mind nothing so far revealed even approaches being an illegal act. They might get fired but that seems ike the worst that can happen to them. The Republicans who are calling for a SP are not after the truth they simply want to put a very partisan guy with an unlimited budget in a position to harass the White House for the next 3 years.

cloudboy -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/18/2013 5:51:01 PM)
I think Fox News is going 24 hours a day non stop on the IRS story with minor breaks for old Benghazi chestnuts to roast on the fire. They are turning the "beleaguered" 501(c)(4) petitioners into martyrs of oppression.

DaddySatyr -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/18/2013 6:04:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy I think Fox News is going 24 hours a day non stop on the IRS story with minor breaks for old Benghazi chestnuts to roast on the fire. They are turning the "beleaguered" 501(c)(4) petitioners into martyrs of oppression. They almost *have* to. It's not like the mainstream, liberal-driven news outlets will tell the tale. That doesn't fit with Obummer's narative. Peace and comfort, Michael

TheHeretic -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/18/2013 6:34:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr They almost *have* to. It's not like the mainstream, liberal-driven news outlets will tell the tale. That doesn't fit with Obummer's narative. I haven't had the TV on this weekend. Does CNN have a special graphic for breaking updates on Angelina's tits?

DaddySatyr -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/18/2013 7:15:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr They almost *have* to. It's not like the mainstream, liberal-driven news outlets will tell the tale. That doesn't fit with Obummer's narative. I haven't had the TV on this weekend. Does CNN have a special graphic for breaking updates on Angelina's tits? I watch less TV than most, Rich. When I do, it's sports, NCIS, Law & Order and sports. Peace and comfort, Michael

DomKen -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/18/2013 7:44:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy I think Fox News is going 24 hours a day non stop on the IRS story with minor breaks for old Benghazi chestnuts to roast on the fire. They are turning the "beleaguered" 501(c)(4) petitioners into martyrs of oppression. They almost *have* to. It's not like the mainstream, liberal-driven news outlets will tell the tale. That doesn't fit with Obummer's narative. What tale is there to tell? All these groups got approved, unlike at least 2 liberal groups that got the same treatment in that office. It just took longer than usual.

Aylee -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/18/2013 8:11:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The usual nutsuckers are in the minneapolis airport bathroom on this one, as usual. Thanks for such a productive, well thought out, and helpful reply, Ron... [8\|] This is about abuse of power by an agency that holds an incredible amount of it, and the response we are seeing from some seems to be missing the point. Ya know Rich, from now one, anyone that is audited can claim harassment due to their political views. Somewhere I read a comparison of this to Lance Armstrong. It comes down to they both cheated to win. The excuses given for Mr. Obama are that he did not know because he is too high up or he did not know because he is too busy with golf and vacations. So. . . the defense is he is either incompetent or slothful. Great. I feel reassured that the country is in the best of hands.

DesideriScuri -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/18/2013 8:19:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The usual nutsuckers are in the minneapolis airport bathroom on this one, as usual. Thanks for such a productive, well thought out, and helpful reply, Ron... [8\|] This is about abuse of power by an agency that holds an incredible amount of it, and the response we are seeing from some seems to be missing the point. Ya know Rich, from now one, anyone that is audited can claim harassment due to their political views. Somewhere I read a comparison of this to Lance Armstrong. It comes down to they both cheated to win. The excuses given for Mr. Obama are that he did not know because he is too high up or he did not know because he is too busy with golf and vacations. So. . . the defense is he is either incompetent or slothful. Great. I feel reassured that the country is in the best of hands. Really? You think the President of the US has the luxury of being able to know and control everything every Federal employee does?

Lucylastic -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/18/2013 8:36:37 PM)
of course, he is supreme leader, he is a tyrant, a dick tater, he is the be all and end all of every branch of government, the CIA< the FBI< the NSA< the TSA, the IRS, the military, and all its branches too, not to mention the banks, the unions, insurance and healthcare, transportation, .... hes just a lazy ass who controls the media and the muslims in the world. Any reason to knock him off his pedestal is a patriotic americans duty. dontcha know.

DomKen -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/19/2013 12:43:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The usual nutsuckers are in the minneapolis airport bathroom on this one, as usual. Thanks for such a productive, well thought out, and helpful reply, Ron... [8\|] This is about abuse of power by an agency that holds an incredible amount of it, and the response we are seeing from some seems to be missing the point. Ya know Rich, from now one, anyone that is audited can claim harassment due to their political views. Somewhere I read a comparison of this to Lance Armstrong. It comes down to they both cheated to win. The excuses given for Mr. Obama are that he did not know because he is too high up or he did not know because he is too busy with golf and vacations. So. . . the defense is he is either incompetent or slothful. Great. I feel reassured that the country is in the best of hands. Really? You think the President of the US has the luxury of being able to know and control everything every Federal employee does? As absurd as the idea that the President would direct a few guys in Cincinnati to slow down processing applications for one specific kind of not for profit what would he have gained? All the groups got approved and didn't have to reveal their donors, the reason they sought that status in the first place. Do certain, paranoid?, consrevatives really think the President would get some sort of pleasure out of knowing some groups in Ohio were waiting longer or a letter from the IRS and maybe had to produce some more paperwork?

Moonhead -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/19/2013 4:08:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Do certain, paranoid?, consrevatives really think the President would get some sort of pleasure out of knowing some groups in Ohio were waiting longer or a letter from the IRS and maybe had to produce some more paperwork? Certainly looks like they do, Ken. We have had over a week of them whining that very thing in here, haven't we?

DesideriScuri -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/19/2013 4:14:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen As absurd as the idea that the President would direct a few guys in Cincinnati to slow down processing applications for one specific kind of not for profit what would he have gained? All the groups got approved and didn't have to reveal their donors, the reason they sought that status in the first place. The election, don'tcha know! [8\|] Actually, I've already stated that I don't think the scandal would have made any impact on the election, even if he was complicit (which I've also stated that I don't think he is/was). But, whether Obama had anything to gain or not, the actions of the IRS were wrong, and a mere apology isn't much of a penalty to deter the next group of yutzes that get the same or similar ideas. Do certain, paranoid?, consrevatives really think the President would get some sort of pleasure out of knowing some groups in Ohio were waiting longer or a letter from the IRS and maybe had to produce some more paperwork? Yes, but just to clean things up, I think the Cinci offices process all those applications, so, it's not just about some groups in Ohio. So, those same people will be that much more paranoid about the President's pleasure.

DaddySatyr -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/19/2013 4:22:58 AM)
I always thought the president was ultimately responsible for everything that happened under his watch. I seem to remember PPLs blaming W for Abu Graib. There was a thread, not too terribly long ago where PPLs were moaning about President Reagan being responsible for 243 Marines in Lebanon. If we wish to be consistent, Obummer has a lot to answer for and not just on this issue. Peace and comfort, Michael

DesideriScuri -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/19/2013 5:07:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I always thought the president was ultimately responsible for everything that happened under his watch. I seem to remember PPLs blaming W for Abu Graib. There was a thread, not too terribly long ago where PPLs were moaning about President Reagan being responsible for 243 Marines in Lebanon. If we wish to be consistent, Obummer has a lot to answer for and not just on this issue. Peace and comfort, Michael I hear you. I just didn't agree with them on those things, either. [:D] Don't forget though, that they are not being hypocritical. It is you being hypocritical for calling them on their... um... uh... "principled discrepancy." [:D]

DaddySatyr -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/19/2013 5:11:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I always thought the president was ultimately responsible for everything that happened under his watch. I seem to remember PPLs blaming W for Abu Graib. There was a thread, not too terribly long ago where PPLs were moaning about President Reagan being responsible for 243 Marines in Lebanon. If we wish to be consistent, Obummer has a lot to answer for and not just on this issue. Peace and comfort, Michael I hear you. I just didn't agree with them on those things, either. [:D] Don't forget though, that they are not being hypocritical. It is you being hypocritical for calling them on their... um... uh... "principled discrepancy." [:D] I know. I'm a bad man for expecting consistent application of rules and what it is to be a leader. I have to say that to some extent, I agree with you, too. I find it hard to believe that W said: "Torture those sons of bitches". I'm sure he said something like: "I don't like these people and I want them to talk; no matter what it takes" Kind of along the lines of the public verbal assault that the current failure-in-chief has been making on anyone that doesn't agree with him and his mind-numbed minions - they're, obviously, racists and domestic terrorists. Yep, The Domocratic party; the party of inclusion ... Peace and comfort, Michael

Lucylastic -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/19/2013 5:20:59 AM)
FR did I miss the invite to the PPRs pity party???? damn I had my dress and flouncy skirts all picked out.

DomKen -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/19/2013 7:59:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Yes, but just to clean things up, I think the Cinci offices process all those applications, so, it's not just about some groups in Ohio. So, those same people will be that much more paranoid about the President's pleasure. Did some checking and it appears you are right. I was basing my statement on the fact that CNN reported that some liberal groups in Texas also were processed incorrectly. I assumed it was different offices.

DomKen -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/19/2013 8:03:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I always thought the president was ultimately responsible for everything that happened under his watch. I seem to remember PPLs blaming W for Abu Graib. There was a thread, not too terribly long ago where PPLs were moaning about President Reagan being responsible for 243 Marines in Lebanon. If we wish to be consistent, Obummer has a lot to answer for and not just on this issue. The President, like any leader, is ultimately responsible for the failings of those he leads. However there is a world of difference between a few low level guys in a satellite office of a quasi independent agency and torture and abuse at least approved of by the President and his appointees in that chain of command or the shameful way Reagan put those Marines in Beirut without the means to really defend themselves.

DesideriScuri -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/19/2013 8:48:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Yes, but just to clean things up, I think the Cinci offices process all those applications, so, it's not just about some groups in Ohio. So, those same people will be that much more paranoid about the President's pleasure. Did some checking and it appears you are right. I was basing my statement on the fact that CNN reported that some liberal groups in Texas also were processed incorrectly. I assumed it was different offices. I made the assumption that the IRS had an office in each State. I can't remember where it was that I heard that Cinci was the main processing area, but I did.

TheHeretic -> RE: IRS special prosecutor (5/19/2013 10:10:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri I made the assumption that the IRS had an office in each State. I can't remember where it was that I heard that Cinci was the main processing area, but I did. It might have been from the IRS. I saw that in one of the stories drawn from the intial report and statements by the agency. Of course, there is a tremendous effort underway to throw a whole lot of bullshit into the air. To determine if what happened was criminal abuse of power (and the release of confidential information certainly seem up to that standard), or just incompetent administration, and get answers we can have confidence in, it needs outside eyes, with the power to demand documents and call witnesses.

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