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So where are these guys outside prison???

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ORIGINAL: androticus

I'd be interested in hearing from some basically straight Dom Masters--don't you sometimes get the urge to satisfy your primal alpha male urges by subjugating another male and forcing him to do your bidding?

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And how much "alpha" does it actually take, really, to tie up a weak little 97 lb female subbie? Don't you sometimes crave some prey that can fight back? (<-- ok, I realize I'm probably going to hell, on a flaming parachute, for those last 2... ;) ;)

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ORIGINAL: androticus

From what I've been told, the practice of nominally straight guys making another guy their bitch boy in prison is actually real.


I'd be interested in hearing from some basically straight Dom Masters--don't you sometimes get the urge to satisfy your primal alpha male urges by subjugating another male and forcing him to do your bidding?

And how much "alpha" does it actually take, really, to tie up a weak little 97 lb female subbie? Don't you sometimes crave some prey that can fight back? (<-- ok, I realize I'm probably going to hell, on a flaming parachute, for those last 2... ;) ;)

androticus

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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders

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What's the name of that one poster that started a few threads recently about how he's totally straight but he likes to dominate men?

He didn't sound like he had any sort of regard for the people he played with though, so I'm not sure he's a good example.

OP - I know you'd never consider sleeping with a woman, but I do think there is a sub-section of men who are flexible enough about their sexuality that they will accept a blowjob from another male when nothing else is available, but not in other circumstances. In which case I don't think you're going to have much luck outside that environment.

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ORIGINAL: androticus

From what I've been told, the practice of nominally straight guys making another guy their bitch boy in prison is actually real.

So where are these guys outside prison???

And no, I just don't buy this cliche that "oh, they turn 'gay' in prison because there are no women" -- that seems like total rationalizing B.S. to me! As a gay male, I've often gone long periods without male companionship and I'm surrounded by women, but that didn't make me turn straight or want to use women!

androticus

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Thanks for all the comments!

I think the people who paint "straight" as being an absolute thing might be making an accurate claim about themselves, but in my experience (mostly various quite straight male friends I've had...) -- many people have some mixture of interest, even if infrequent for only very select partners.

I've heard that paradoxically, it can actually be easier to engage straight(ish) guys in latin countries, because they view it far more as an isolated act, not something that makes them an X. I sometimes think maybe the U.S./Canada English culture is kinda repressed... ;)

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I've heard that paradoxically, it can actually be easier to engage straight(ish) guys in latin countries, because they view it far more as an isolated act, not something that makes them an X.

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ORIGINAL: androticus

Thanks for all the comments!

I think the people who paint "straight" as being an absolute thing might be making an accurate claim about themselves, but in my experience (mostly various quite straight male friends I've had...) -- many people have some mixture of interest, even if infrequent for only very select partners.

I've heard that paradoxically, it can actually be easier to engage straight(ish) guys in latin countries, because they view it far more as an isolated act, not something that makes them an X. I sometimes think maybe the U.S./Canada English culture is kinda repressed... ;)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

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ORIGINAL: androticus

Thanks for all the comments!

I think the people who paint "straight" as being an absolute thing might be making an accurate claim about themselves, but in my experience (mostly various quite straight male friends I've had...) -- many people have some mixture of interest, even if infrequent for only very select partners.

I've heard that paradoxically, it can actually be easier to engage straight(ish) guys in latin countries, because they view it far more as an isolated act, not something that makes them an X. I sometimes think maybe the U.S./Canada English culture is kinda repressed... ;)

It doesn't matter if it is just a "select few" or an infrequent event. If you have sex with the same gender and the opposite gender you are bisexual. Just like you aren't homosexual sometimes, heterosexuals are straight all the time. It IS an absolute.

As for the sexual activities that happen in prison, it is a long studied phenomenon of how definitively straight men engage willingly in homosexual activities in prison. The activities are isolated to their prison sentence and when not incarcerated, they have zero interest in those activities. Feel free to google it.

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I've heard that paradoxically, it can actually be easier to engage straight(ish) guys in latin countries, because they view it far more as an isolated act, not something that makes them an X.

What I've heard about Latin American is that the guy doing the penetrating is not considered to be engaging in a homosexual act:

Up through WWII, American culture usually labeled men "gay" only if they sought to be penetrated. As in many areas of Latin America today, men could routinely seek sex with other men without any stigma as long as they (claimed to) exclusively take the "masculine," penetrative role. Sexual identity was defined by your gender performance and not by the sex of your partner.

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ORIGINAL: androticus

From what I've been told, the practice of nominally straight guys making another guy their bitch boy in prison is actually real.

So where are these guys outside prison???

And no, I just don't buy this cliche that "oh, they turn 'gay' in prison because there are no women" -- that seems like total rationalizing B.S. to me! As a gay male, I've often gone long periods without male companionship and I'm surrounded by women, but that didn't make me turn straight or want to use women!

I'd be interested in hearing from some basically straight Dom Masters--don't you sometimes get the urge to satisfy your primal alpha male urges by subjugating another male and forcing him to do your bidding?

And how much "alpha" does it actually take, really, to tie up a weak little 97 lb female subbie? Don't you sometimes crave some prey that can fight back? (<-- ok, I realize I'm probably going to hell, on a flaming parachute, for those last 2... ;) ;)

androticus

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ORIGINAL: androticus
From what I've been told, the practice of nominally straight guys making another guy their bitch boy in prison is actually real.

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I'd be interested in hearing from some basically straight Dom Masters--don't you sometimes get the urge to satisfy your primal alpha male urges by subjugating another male and forcing him to do your bidding?

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And how much "alpha" does it actually take, really, to tie up a weak little 97 lb female subbie?

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Don't you sometimes crave some prey that can fight back?

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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ORIGINAL: androticus
From what I've been told, the practice of nominally straight guys making another guy their bitch boy in prison is actually real.

Uhhh, dude. There's a word for what your talking about and it's not BDSM. It's rape.

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And how much "alpha" does it actually take, really, to tie up a weak little 97 lb female subbie?

None. but it takes artistry to make her beg you to do it :-)

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ORIGINAL: androticus

From what I've been told, the practice of nominally straight guys making another guy their bitch boy in prison is actually real.

So where are these guys outside prison???

And no, I just don't buy this cliche that "oh, they turn 'gay' in prison because there are no women" -- that seems like total rationalizing B.S. to me! As a gay male, I've often gone long periods without male companionship and I'm surrounded by women, but that didn't make me turn straight or want to use women!

I'd be interested in hearing from some basically straight Dom Masters--don't you sometimes get the urge to satisfy your primal alpha male urges by subjugating another male and forcing him to do your bidding?

And how much "alpha" does it actually take, really, to tie up a weak little 97 lb female subbie? Don't you sometimes crave some prey that can fight back? (<-- ok, I realize I'm probably going to hell, on a flaming parachute, for those last 2... ;) ;)

androticus

Oh for crying out loud! As a gay Dom, I have to say that posts like this just make me ashamed of some people in the gay community.

As others have very clearly asked, what part of "straight" do you not understand?

It seems, to me, that you have a fetish for being used by someone who is not sexually attracted to you. I don't get that, but to each their own. In addition, you answered your own question. You stated that you have gone a long time without male companionship and had no desire to turn to women. So why, for the love of all things holy, do you expect it to be different for straight men? Do you think there are straight guys who are going to jump at the chance to dominate you when, as you said, they have no desire for men? You've set up some seriously awkward trains of thought here.

If you want to be dominated by a man, find a gay man. If a straight man says he will dominate you and sexually use you, then chances are that he isn't straight.

Oh, and as for the prison thing, you have it wrong. Male-on-male sex in prisons is a lot like rape on the streets. It has little to nothing, most of the time, to do with sex. It is about power and subjugation. When you are in an environment, like prison, where your status among your peers is determined by physical fortitude and toughness, subjugating the weak is the only chance to prove your "Alpha male" status...to use your terminology. Once on the streets, men with the desire to prove their power don't have to rely on sexually subjugating weaker men, as it is no longer their only option like it is in prison. Your question is akin to saying "why don't people who always order steak at a steak house not order it at places that serve chicken too?" The answer? Because when your only option IS steak, you have steak. When you can have chicken or steak, and you naturally prefer chicken over steak, then you go for the chicken.

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ORIGINAL: graceadieu

I really doubt that even those "prison gay" guys are really, actually, 100% straight. I think probably they're bi and just generally go for women when available.