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EroticHypnotist -> RE: Hypnosis how far? (7/3/2013 5:17:56 PM)
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No need to apologise. This is the top misconception about hypnosis, the idea of control. You do need to submit control to the person hypnotizing you. As in, you need to allow it to happen. It gives me an opportunity to share something I encountered for the first time as a hypnotist.
But first ... one man's meat is another man's poison. One person finds the idea of bladder incontinence a turn-on and eagerly listens to an mp3 to facilitate this. And there's a good chance (no guarantee) that it will work. But a good chance. Then another person who has no interest in being bladder incontinent listens to the same recording and nothing happens. Because the latter listened to it out of sheer curiosity. But fundamentally, peeing themselves is against everything they stand for.
But if that person that cynically listened to the incontinence recording came across a recording that had appeal to his or her desires (e.g. Succubus midnight blow-job experience; or Horny MILF Afternoon Siesta Cunnilingus Escapade), chances are good that that person finding that parts of the session actually work. Which parts? Anyone's guess.
Hypnosis is not an exact science. Hence, you can't assume that a room of people will respond to the same set of suggestions in the same way. Because we are all individual in our make-up. In the real world, I hear a beautician talking about a nice facial. I try to keep a non-committal expression because my foray into the world of kink means I'm thinking bukkake. Like-wise the term water-sports by a sports enthusiast provokes a dirty grin on my part. Even the term champagne is no longer simply a bottle of Money to me as I've served enough glasses of this as a trojan for drugging a subject in trance ... with my "golden nectar", to put it succinctly.
As a therapist, CBT (Cognitive Behavioural Therapy, is a legitimate form of therapy in the vanilla world. It's also a legitimate form of therapy in the chambers of a dominatrix by way of Cock and Ball Torture. I have rehearsed my glazed expression for when that acronym springs up in polite society.
Slick hypnosis, especially conversational hypnosis doesn't just use the garden variety embedded commands, language patterns and suggestions "You may begin to start to feel relaxed now for no reason other than you are allowing yourself to relax quite nicely" - it also uses metaphors and symbols and a play on words. And like the example I gave with facials, water-sports, and CBT, every one in the room is thinking different things and getting different outcomes. One person hears a reference to the sea and starts thinking of surfing in the ocean; another may recall a nightmare experience of nearly drowning.
So a competent hypnotist constructs their suggestions in an open-ended, catch-all way ... but the odd fish is still going to escape the net.
If the intended outcome is contrary, like the comment in this thread observes there is no fear of control.
On the other hand, if there is a part of the suggestions with a guilty pleasure appeal, some of it may seep in. Even if only a brief mind flirtation with the idea, discarding it when the subject gets to an "enough is enough state". A classic example is a horny straight man listening to an mp3 recording from another man, not because he's bi-curious, but he is so damn horny in that moment, that a promise of an orgasm sounds good whoever's offering it. So, he'll go along with it to an extent. A subject of mine was surprised that he'd been able to have a dry orgasm in such a circumstance.
A person that allows themselves to be controlled, without reservation, no if's buts or maybe's will probably experience all the control they can handle and either become addicted to that state and allow more and more of it, or have a cut off point, especially if they don't want it to interfere with something else in their life. A lot of my clients have stipulations about reservations they have about interference in their out of trance lives.
I had an interesting thing happen last week during an in-person session. He was a client who had started off with web cam sessions, then after about a year summonsed the courage to visit in person and hasn't looked back since. And during his second session, I remembered giving him robot triggers. The trigger was used and he turned into a robot state, performing actions blankly. This was all consistent with his arousal at being asked to obey.
So last week, I got this idea, to give him a deeply embedded robot trigger. One that could and would be triggered outside of our meetings, by phone, email, phone call, whatever. I used some techniques from the late great Milton Erickson for this, and some NLP. I got all the unconscious responses, ideomotor signals, etc. I was leaving no stone un-turned. But twice I noticed the faintest suggestion of a brief frown movement, like a twitch. I should have paid attention to this gesture. As brief as each was (I could have blinked and missed them), they had come from his unconscious mind. A frown is universal language for displeasure or discontent. This to me was inconsistent with what I thought I believed to be his desires. The very thought of obedience and submission gets this guy so turned on. What was not to love with a Robot installation?
When I brought him round and asked him how it went, he said he wasn't too happy with the robot installation. The hypnosis had been so deep and a suggestion I'd made about everything he had ever observed and learnt about robots, had triggered a reminder of his terror while watching robots on Dr Who.
"But I've turned you into a robot before," I exclaimed.
Yes, I had, he conceded, but at that time, without the vivid imagery of robots or stirring child-hood memories. At the time I had just said "you will turn into a robot", compared to the absolute programming I had undertaken in the last 30 minutes. So the trance for him had been a disturbing experience.
But here's the kicker ... as much as he was terrified and didn't want to be turned into a robot, he had just felt his mind and body go along with everything I suggested, the body responses, re-living the experience, etc. I would have expected that his unconscious would completely reject the whole routine. It hadn't. He was text-book good hypnotic responses.
My explanation for this may be because, using the Ericksonian approach, I had invoked his unconscious mind's involvement as his unconscious protector. And I had also, using the catch-all, vague cover all bases approach, instructed his unconscious to install the suggestions and behaviour with his best interests at heart.
What I learnt from this, because I am always learning with hypnosis, is pay attention to the unconscious moments. These moments are telling me, and the subject, a whole lot more than they can verbalise. Even if it seems contradictory to the assumed desired outcome. Not everyone that turns up for a stop smoking hypnosis session is really, deep down inside, ready to stop smoking. And like-wise with weight loss, a common scenario is a sexual assault victim who blames themselves for attracting their attacker or attackers in the first place, and views their excess weight as an unconscious repulsion against further attacks. Even when they've forgotten to be aware of this in the first place.
I am honoured that he trusted me enough not to start fighting the hypnosis and bring himself out of trance. Safety is a very important part of hypnosis which is why I always like to buddy up with a person's unconscious mind during hypnosis. This is easier done during a live session. Not so easily negotiated in a one size fits all mp3. When people complain about an mp3 being ineffective, I think to myself "Are you surprised?" Hypnosis mp3s are a lottery, exactly for the reasons I stated about our unique experiences and what makes you you and makes me me.
And this is why hypnosis can be complicated. Sometimes what we think we need is not so, and vice versa. Or something that seemed attractive at first, takes on the reality of a nightmare on closer inspection. Like the robot story. And can then be rejected.
I made sure his session had a happy ending which wiped out all thoughts of robots and Dr Who. And neither of us are worried about the robot work done. For one, I am not going to use the post hypnotic triggers I gave him at the time - and they were only created to work if I used them so he can't be accidentally triggered by anyone else. And also, his unconscious protector, his unconscious mind, won't allow him to be harmed.
I guess then, people are wondering why in the case of brain-wash victims, how come the unconscious mind wasn't protecting them. That is a very complex question. And I think an interview with such an Unconscious Mind would be the only way to get answers. But the response of one Unconscious Mind would not be a global answer for every instance of harmful brain-washing.
Cleo
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ORIGINAL: Salenku
Hypnosis interests me, but I wonder how much if me could be controlled. Is is possible to have someone do things against their character or moral code? Are you completely in the hands of your hypnotist? How long for? If the suggestions were distasteful to you, how long might that control last for, if at all?
I'm sorry for so many questions, but I really don't have a clue!
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