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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/25/2013 3:49:29 PM   
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That`s what`s driving the extreme over reaction by the rightists,folks.bush guilt and bush shame.



You just can't stand to see your guy get pummeled, can you? I just love watching you flip out when people don't agree with you.

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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/25/2013 3:56:24 PM   
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So much for the theory that every media source except the holy FOX is simply Obama's mouthpiece.



Oh it's better than that, Hill. Fox can go after liberalism in general. That's their bread and butter. To preserve liberalism as an ideology, MSNBC and such are going to have to frame the failures as directly attributable to Obama personally.

It's a cardinal rule. Liberal policies never fail because liberalism is a dumbass ideology - they fail because they weren't implemented by the right people.

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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/25/2013 4:23:15 PM   
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t's a cardinal rule. Liberal policies never fail because liberalism is a dumbass ideology - they fail because they weren't implemented by the right people.

Interesting point, but is that phenomenon truly exclusive to liberals? I recall conservatives' laments that Bush 43 wasn't a "real" conservative. I've also read arguments that the failings of both capitalism and communism stemmed from poor implementation rather than flaws in the ideology.

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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/25/2013 4:46:56 PM   
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In the matter of scale though, look at the excuses made for the enormous, misery inducing, international failures of communism in the 20th Century. People still buy into that nonsense, on the premise that it was merely all the wrong people trying it, over and over again.

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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/25/2013 5:20:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		If the IRS scandal is as bad as it gets under Obama, things are going pretty well. I like Mathews, but he's unhinged to think that Obama's lack of involvement over an outpost IRS office in CIN represents a "lack of leadership."

Its hard for the executive to function when Congress won't approve agency heads, and it's hard for understaffed government agencies to do their job.

Will Mathews blame Obama for a bridge collapse on a Federal roadway next? What about the larger issue of political groups masquerading as social welfare organizations to evade campaign finance laws? We now know 200 employees in CIN, adjudicating 70,000 application a year, have this job.

Sensibly the average American is not outraged by the IRS or Benghazi "scandals." Neither constitutes an economic meltdown or an elective sink-hole war in the in a far off hostile land.

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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/25/2013 6:19:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		here's what bothers me most about all this, you take fast & furious (we didn't know) add bengazi (we didn't know) add irs targeting repub leaning groups for discrimination ( we didn't know) add prosecuting whistleblowers more than ALL presidents combined (what? who? US?) and it makes WATERGATE look like JAYWALKING

but an obama fan I know put it all into perspective for me today, he said BAHHHH who cares, in a month no one will even remember, and I realized he is RIGHT, and one word came to my mind

APATHETIC

the average person is so inundated with this kind of behavior they've stoped even caring anymore!

cloudboy says, "the average American is not outraged by the IRS or Benghazi "scandals" and he is RIGHT!

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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/25/2013 6:49:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I somehow doubt it was just conservative/tea party political groups masquerading as social welfare organizations.. I expect there were Liberal ones masquerading also.. but they were not targeted, of course.. if the IRS had targeted both sides of the fence then this scandal would not even exist..

And sometimes the actual truth doesnt matter if people dont believe it.. the fact that the IRS is gonna be overseeing Obamacare is now being used against Obamacare so the IRS scandal could morph into something much bigger.. Obama is fighting several fires right now.. we will see which ones get away on him.. which ones he will be remembered for..

But you know what you have in the US? its an undeclared Civil War.. the R politicians & voters & D politcians & voters at each others throats..all..the..time... imo, it is hurting your country (& has been for many years now).. its costing you financially in a variety of ways, directly and indirectly.. the deadlock you have means you cant actually solve any problems & you keep fighting the same battles (like Obamacare, womens issues, etc) over and over again.. jmo..

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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/25/2013 6:54:21 PM   
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the average person is so inundated with this kind of behavior they've stoped even caring anymore!



So what? The people who don't care are the same ones who get led along whatever path the media chooses for them. If the template becomes that President Obama simply isn't up to the job, that's what they'll bleat in time to.



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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/25/2013 7:19:06 PM   
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quote:

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That`s what`s driving the extreme over reaction by the rightists,folks.bush guilt and bush shame.



You just can't stand to see your guy get pummeled, can you? I just love watching you flip out when people don't agree with you.



Pummeled?

For what?

We still don`t know and you guys won`t say.....



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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/25/2013 7:24:55 PM   
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Now now now now


We all know that Obama has no flaws.....

Oh he has flaws alright but by comparison...small. We've had small-minded demigods beginning with Reagan and measure up as petty little power barons concerned only with their own narrow short term self interest.

It's OK to be hard on any president but the ring of hypocrisy deafens the ears when the same voices were so silent during previous admin. that far fewer in power...were so hard on.

I find it very hard to mince words here, yet I still do because they fall on so many deaf ears.


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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/25/2013 7:55:39 PM   
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here's what bothers me most about all this, you take fast & furious (we didn't know) add bengazi (we didn't know) add irs targeting repub leaning groups for discrimination ( we didn't know) add prosecuting whistleblowers more than ALL presidents combined (what? who? US?) and it makes WATERGATE look like JAYWALKING

but an obama fan I know put it all into perspective for me today, he said BAHHHH who cares, in a month no one will even remember, and I realized he is RIGHT, and one word came to my mind

APATHETIC

the average person is so inundated with this kind of behavior they've stoped even caring anymore!

cloudboy says, "the average American is not outraged by the IRS or Benghazi "scandals" and he is RIGHT!







Simply being accused of something(especially by simpletons) does not mean anything......

Darrel Issa exonerated AG Holder himself for F&F...a bush program....So sorry....

And Benghazi is a dead-ender for our lunatic fringe.....especially after admitting manufactured evidence, as real evidence to a congressional hearing....We understand the cons run them but they can`t lie and perjure themselves just because the hold the gavel.That`s still illegal.

I don`t know where you were raised but where I`m from,that called lying fraud and deceit......anyway...

Mitch McConnel has already said that there`s no direct connection with the White House and the IRS thingie........they`ve known about and have been looking into this for over a year.

It doesn`t take a rocket scientists to figure out that if there was something damaging there,the gop leadership would have jumped on it......over a year ago......Maybe it`s all their Obama-love that`s kept them from doing that?

And though this would be a great chance for IRS reform,your party will try to make it all about the President and flub it and fuck it up just like everything else they touch.....

At least........... we waited for shrub to ruin the economy before we bashed him for it.

At least........... we waited for shrub to get 4409 soldiers killed before we called him a criminally negligent psychopath...

At least........... we waited till after shrub-dick leaked the IDs of our spys to our enemies before we called them traitors....

Maybe instead of jumping the gun and crying wolf every time a tea-bagger craps his pants......ya`ll could wait for the President to actually be involved in wrong doing before declaring his guilt.

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Fuck`n killer...

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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/25/2013 8:25:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh we've had someone a bit like Obama before, MrRodgers.

Nixon.

Perhaps you'll recall that using the IRS to target his enemies was right there in the articles of impeachment that he resigned before facing.


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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/25/2013 9:05:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think Rich makes a really good analogy. There's paralells between the two in many ways.

The attitude that one can get away with anything while sitting in the oval office.

The shady, backroom, heavy-handed dealings of which no one (with a brain) would approve, if they wanted to be truly honest with themselves.

The mis-use of the office/their power to address their own agenda against their "enemies".

Yeah, there's nothing divisive in either administration. There's no stink of cover up (or, at least CYOA). There's no attitude of entitlement.

We had a whole thread here about condescention. I think both administrations conducted themselves in a manner that that word envelopes.



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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/25/2013 9:20:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Something else to keep in mind, Michael, is that is isn't just one scandal to fend off, and try to minimize or marginalize, and play damage control on. Any one thing can get knocked off the front page, but with a three-ring circus coming down on them, every starlet in Hollywood could cut off her tits, and something scandal related is going to be back at the top of the news feed the next day.

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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/25/2013 9:32:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		ya know the SAD part of your reply, is I never ONCE pointed at OBAMA, I just listed the scandals and mentioned that the public has become so apathetic it will just gloss over it

YOU assumed I was bashing OBAMA, but I never mentioned him in connection to ANYTHING
my only refreance to obama was what a person I know who LIKES OBAMA said

but I will address a couple things you said

F&F was NOT a bush admin program, I could be mistaken but I think the program you refer to was called operation wide reciever and ended well before bush left office then a COMPLETELY NEW program was put in place by the obama admin called F & F

not sure what MANUFACTED EVIDENCE you refer to but I'd be happy to hear you elaborate on that

and the exact same logic you use regarding the IRS thing can be used in the OUTING OF OUR SPIES thing
IF there was anything THERE they would have JUMPED ON IT

BTW the IRS THING, congress was NOT made aware of it a YEAR ago, the IRS was aware of it a year ago OPPPS

bush did NOT ruin the economy, clinton did, bush just happen to be in office when it all came crashing down

I'll name the exact policies that crashed the economy repeal of the glass stegal act and revamping of the CRA which "encouraged" banks to loan money for houses to people who COULD NOT AFFORD THEM

please tell me the bills and or acts you beleive that BUSH SIGNED that lead to an economic crash
when I asked my friend the obama fan that question his reply was well bush did NOTHING TO STOP IT, AKA ALSEEP at the wheel, which if OBAMA is totally UNAWARE of 4 things I listed it would make HIM ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL TOO!

as for the deaths in the afgan/iraq wars, with the excpetion of desert storm the LEAST deadly wars in the HISTORY of wars

4400 death is like a bad MONTH in any other war is history!
not saying I think its OK for americans to be killed, but get a grip on reality dude, that number is not even a bad fatality number for US traffic in a SINGLE YEAR much less over a DECADE

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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/25/2013 10:20:49 PM   
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Excuse me if I don`t entertain your fantasies or argue non-facts.

And allow me to disabuse you of your ignorance...


"Mitch McConnell Defends Obama Administration On AP Scandal"


"GOP Rep. Darrell Issa Was Informed About IRS Investigation Last July"


My bad,I said more than a year....it`s actually almost a year.....

"ATF gunwalking scandal"


Notice the date when the program started....2006....now unless President Obama was secretly the president during shrub`s term....the program was started by bush.....


The fake emails have been in the news all week.......where have you been? http://theweek.com/article/index/244363/watch-cbss-major-garrett-calls-out-gop-over-doctored-benghazi-emails


The point is how lame and false and impotent the attacks have been on President Obama, compared to the reams of bush fuck-ups including the deaths of almost 10,000 Americans under his watch( 9/11,Iraq-gate and Katrina combined)......

Your comment about Clinton ruining our economy is so F`d, that it would take an artist to respond properly.....I am but a mere carpenter.....


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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/25/2013 10:50:49 PM   
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The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007

2009–2011: Operation Fast and Furious

The operation began on October 31, 2009, when a local gun store reported to the Phoenix ATF that four individuals had purchased multiple AK47 style rifles.[42] In November 2009, the Phoenix office's Group VII, which would be the lead investigative group in Fast and Furious, began to follow a prolific gun trafficker.

sooo according to YOUR SOURCE
exactly what I SAID happened, one ENDED in BEFORE bush left office, and F & F was started during hte OBAMA ADMIN
TRY READING what you present as evidence!

as for BEING INFORMED, there is a HUGE differance between informing somone you are "looking into it" and INFORMING them you FOUND SOMETHING

even though the IRS KNEW about it LONG BEFORE that time as they ISSUED POLICY CHANGES!

this from your LAST SOURCE "When it emerged that ABC News had been handed misleading summaries"
"Then, riding high after last week's Benghazi hearings, someone got the bright idea of leaking two isolated tidbits and mischaracterizing them"

that HARDLY how you stated it, "especially after admitting manufactured evidence, as real evidence to a congressional hearing."

sorry leaking a MISLEADING SUMMERY to the press isn't HARDLY ADMITTING EVIDENCE as REAL EVIDENCE to a CONGRESIONAL HEARING

and I remember that now, what was leaked so closely resembled the actual E-MAIL it was HARDLY a big deal! saying it was a QUOTE and not a SUMMERY is a lil SHADY but still!

and I LOVE that UNDER HIS WATCH THING, my friend likes that phrase too. so let me understand this, bush is NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WEATHER and A TERRORIST ACT commited by a guy that CLINTON dropped the ball on?
remmeber CLINTON tried to kill bin laden and OPPSSSS missed, now I don't know about YOU, but if some one shoots a ME I WILL SHOOT BACK, soo thats ON CLINTON AS WELL!

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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I'll take a quote from ole BEN over obama EVERYTIME!

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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/25/2013 11:09:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		What's that you're saying, BitYakin? Owner59 posted links that say exactly the opposite of what he's claiming? I'm shocked!

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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/25/2013 11:37:44 PM   
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here is a QUOTE from THAT ARTICLE

"The Obama administration has aggressively pursued leaks and prosecuted leakers, and it helped derail a reporter shield bill in 2009 that would have protected journalists from revealing their sources to prosecutors. While early versions of the bill had included a narrow exemption for "terrorist" threats, the White House demanded a broad exemption for "national security" matters and a host of other provisions granting prosecutors access to information reporters uncover"

lil FACT for ya OBAMA has prosecuted more whistleblower type cases than ALL OTHER PRES COMBINED!

and the TITLE of THAT article is MISLEADING

it says "Mitch McConnell Defends Obama Administration On AP Scandal"

but the ARTICLE SAYS "WASHINGTON -- Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on Sunday appeared to defend the Obama administration's controversial leak investigation into the Associated Press"

IN FACT all he DID say was he supported FINDING LEAKERS, not he support HOW IT WAS BEING DONE!

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RE: The Tingle is Gone - 5/26/2013 12:22:35 AM   
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Your comment about Clinton ruining our economy is so F`d, that it would take an artist to respond properly.....I am but a mere carpenter.....


WHAT A SURPIZE, you CANNOT respond because there IS NO RESPONSE that doesn't make you look FOOLISH

I showed MY PROOF all I asked was for you to show me a SINGLE bill bush signed that you beleive CAUSED the economy to CRASH, and SURPRIZEEEEE NOTHING!!!!!

how bout this question then
every economy has a NAME, regan was trickle down obama's is keysian (spelling?) what was the CLINTON economy model name?

NEED A HINT, AWWW I'll just tell ya HYPER INFLATION ECONOMY

CLEAR EXAMPLE, when I bought my house the seller had it on the market for four years at 16K people were LAUGHING AT HIM, I bought it and paid CASH for it, years later I had a real estate agent offer to get 250K for it
thats like 1000% INFLATION! SAME HOUSE SAME AREA over 10 times its worth

now some would say WHY DIDN'T YOU TAKE IT, well because ALL the houses on the block which were stable at 20K for decades were NOW going for a MIN of 150K

and soon after POP WENT THE BUBBLE that CLINTON CREATED when he redid CRA to cause banks to give out loans that should have NEVER BEEN GIVEN!

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