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Phydeaux -> Eric Holder - Secret Warrant & Lying under oath (5/25/2013 10:49:03 AM)

So as has been in the news, DOJ went after Rosen for doing what reporters are supposed to do: namely, solicit sources and report news.

The DOJ got a search warrant signed by HOLDER to get Rosen's emails.
They then asked the search warrants be sealed.
Two judges ruled that no, the accused had to be notified.
This was appealed. In the affidavit for the appeal, the DOJ said that it was necessary to seal the records in order to facilitate the investigation of "the bombings".

Read here: (and check exhibit "B") http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/05/how-justice-fought-to-keep-rosens-warrant-secret.html

Then Holder went before Congress, under oath, and said that he had never ordered the prosecution of a reporter.
See here: http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/24/did-eric-holder-lie-in-congressional-testimony-last-week/

So.

The Obama administration gets a secret warrant to investigate its enemies - keeping that warrant open for 2 years without notifying the accused.
The administration said that Rosen was a flight risk as part of the reason to not notify. Really. A flight risk.

What the government really wanted - was unlimited carte blanche to spy on its opponents and monitor their actions. Imagine if Rosen had done something illegal or immoral, or embarassing. What do you think the administration would have done.

As far as I'm concerned this is the last straw. This administration is unethical, illegal and immoral. The most transparent admiistration in history my ass.
House has got to be cleaned. Holder should be removed from office, disbarred and go to jail. Lerner should be fired and have a civil lawsuit for violating the civil rights of the people she selectively enforced against.

And thats just the start.




Owner59 -> RE: Eric Holder - Secret Warrant & Lying under oath (5/25/2013 11:05:55 AM)

So somehow "Rosen" get`s a pass from criminal activity because he`s a reporter?


Is that the talking point?


Weren`t the cons bashing the president for not going after leakers?What`s changed?


That wiki guy is in jail for his part and if "Rosen" has done anything like it......we`ll see him in jail too.




DomKen -> RE: Eric Holder - Secret Warrant & Lying under oath (5/25/2013 11:33:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Then Holder went before Congress, under oath, and said that he had never ordered the prosecution of a reporter.
See here: http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/24/did-eric-holder-lie-in-congressional-testimony-last-week/

Rosen has not been indicted much less prosecuted so your premise that Holder lied is false.




TheHeretic -> RE: Eric Holder - Secret Warrant & Lying under oath (5/25/2013 11:50:50 AM)

It troubles me that the word, "chilling," gets used so often in the revelation that a journalist was so targeted and described in secret warrants.

It should be described as a blood-boiling outrage, and a call to arms (metaphorically) for all who believe in the vital role of a free press in a free society.

We may only be seeing the tip of the iceberg, in how this administration has abused the powers entrusted to them.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Eric Holder - Secret Warrant & Lying under oath (5/25/2013 11:54:19 AM)

Eric Holder plays "fast-n-loose" with the rules? No way!

Unfortunately, as is the case with this administration in general (authorization to kill American citizens with drones requested) and this AG, in particular, there's no news here. It's "dog bites man".

There probably hasn't been a "transparent" administration since Madison or so.

There's far too much power given to the federal government and we can blame Lincoln and the War of Northern Aggression for that; in large part, that's where federalization started).

By contrast, Obummer's promise to be a "transparent" presidency is nothing more but yet another broken promise. That's an occupational hazard for these scumbags we keep electing. I never gave that one any credence to begin with.

Now to the meat of it:

I think Holder and this administration have done irrevocable damage to our way of life, as guaranteed by our constitution but I also believe that they're just building on the excesses of that piece of shit document known as the Patriot Act that King George II inflicted on us.

Welcome to the New World Order



Peace and comfort,



Michael




MrRodgers -> RE: Eric Holder - Secret Warrant & Lying under oath (5/25/2013 12:29:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Eric Holder plays "fast-n-loose" with the rules? No way!

Unfortunately, as is the case with this administration in general (authorization to kill American citizens with drones requested) and this AG, in particular, there's no news here. It's "dog bites man".

There probably hasn't been a "transparent" administration since Madison or so.

There's far too much power given to the federal government and we can blame Lincoln and the War of Northern Aggression for that; in large part, that's where federalization started).

By contrast, Obummer's promise to be a "transparent" presidency is nothing more but yet another broken promise. That's an occupational hazard for these scumbags we keep electing. I never gave that one any credence to begin with.

Now to the meat of it:

I think Holder and this administration have done irrevocable damage to our way of life, as guaranteed by our constitution but I also believe that they're just building on the excesses of that piece of shit document known as the Patriot Act that King George II inflicted on us.

Welcome to the New World Order



Peace and comfort,



Michael


Well this is America's first real experience in cleaning up after 8 years of that sad and destructive aberration called the Bush admin., the most incompetent, arrogant, felonious admin. and with clear violations of law, that we've ever had to suffer in this country.

It was Bush that could have been impeached on several counts and whose role model was Nixon, he just had bigger and much more expensive ambitions. He still ended up with having to commute the sentence of a fellow repub lamb. Most repub pres. just go ahead and pardon their fellow felons.

Federalization is a very neat word isn't it ? Just how does the federal govt. enforce the laws of the land if not by 'federalization.' How does one defend federal property and people in the south at the time ? Lincoln's was a war of defense against southern secession.




Yachtie -> RE: Eric Holder - Secret Warrant & Lying under oath (5/25/2013 12:44:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Lincoln's was a war of defense against southern secession.



DAYAM!!!! That like saying one is defending oneself by shooting club members who just want to leave.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Eric Holder - Secret Warrant & Lying under oath (5/25/2013 12:58:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Lincoln's was a war of defense against southern secession.



DAYAM!!!! That like saying one is defending oneself by shooting club members who just want to leave.


Yachtie, you seem like a nice guy but I don't like your rule that I can't smoke in your house so I'm leaving.

Yachtie stops my boss from giving me a paycheck.

You're damned right, I'm going to attack Ft. Sumter!



Peace and comfort,



Michael




Real0ne -> RE: Eric Holder - Secret Warrant & Lying under oath (5/25/2013 1:10:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

So as has been in the news, DOJ went after Rosen for doing what reporters are supposed to do: namely, solicit sources and report news.

The DOJ got a search warrant signed by HOLDER to get Rosen's emails.
They then asked the search warrants be sealed.
Two judges ruled that no, the accused had to be notified.
This was appealed. In the affidavit for the appeal, the DOJ said that it was necessary to seal the records in order to facilitate the investigation of "the bombings".

Read here: (and check exhibit "B") http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/05/how-justice-fought-to-keep-rosens-warrant-secret.html

Then Holder went before Congress, under oath, and said that he had never ordered the prosecution of a reporter.
See here: http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/24/did-eric-holder-lie-in-congressional-testimony-last-week/

So.

The Obama administration gets a secret warrant to investigate its enemies - keeping that warrant open for 2 years without notifying the accused.
The administration said that Rosen was a flight risk as part of the reason to not notify. Really. A flight risk.

What the government really wanted - was unlimited carte blanche to spy on its opponents and monitor their actions. Imagine if Rosen had done something illegal or immoral, or embarassing. What do you think the administration would have done.

As far as I'm concerned this is the last straw. This administration is unethical, illegal and immoral. The most transparent admiistration in history my ass.
House has got to be cleaned. Holder should be removed from office, disbarred and go to jail. Lerner should be fired and have a civil lawsuit for violating the civil rights of the people she selectively enforced against.

And thats just the start.



are you kidding me?

these kinds of tactics have been going on in government et all since it was created!

the only difference is that its getting really difficult to keep this shit secret now days as it was in the past.

When people report or talk about these things 50 years after the fact they are scorned as a conspiracy theorists but the sweet thing about it, is that its nice and up close and personal now days biting everyone right square in the ass 24/7/365!

good post!




Real0ne -> RE: Eric Holder - Secret Warrant & Lying under oath (5/25/2013 1:15:26 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

It troubles me that the word, "chilling," gets used so often in the revelation that a journalist was so targeted and described in secret warrants.

It should be described as a blood-boiling outrage, and a call to arms (metaphorically) for all who believe in the vital role of a free press in a free society.

We may only be seeing the tip of the iceberg, in how this administration has abused the powers entrusted to them.


ditto, and its on both, um, no, its on ALL sides of ALL isles.




Real0ne -> RE: Eric Holder - Secret Warrant & Lying under oath (5/25/2013 1:28:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Eric Holder plays "fast-n-loose" with the rules? No way!

Unfortunately, as is the case with this administration in general (authorization to kill American citizens with drones requested) and this AG, in particular, there's no news here. It's "dog bites man".

There probably hasn't been a "transparent" administration since Madison or so.

There's far too much power given to the federal government and we can blame Lincoln and the War of Northern Aggression for that; in large part, that's where federalization started).

By contrast, Obummer's promise to be a "transparent" presidency is nothing more but yet another broken promise. That's an occupational hazard for these scumbags we keep electing. I never gave that one any credence to begin with.

Now to the meat of it:

I think Holder and this administration have done irrevocable damage to our way of life, as guaranteed by our constitution but I also believe that they're just building on the excesses of that piece of shit document known as the Patriot Act that King George II inflicted on us.

Welcome to the New World Order



Peace and comfort,



Michael


Well this is America's first real experience in cleaning up after 8 years of that sad and destructive aberration called the Bush admin., the most incompetent, arrogant, felonious admin. and with clear violations of law, that we've ever had to suffer in this country.

It was Bush that could have been impeached on several counts and whose role model was Nixon, he just had bigger and much more expensive ambitions. He still ended up with having to commute the sentence of a fellow repub lamb. Most repub pres. just go ahead and pardon their fellow felons.

Federalization is a very neat word isn't it ? Just how does the federal govt. enforce the laws of the land if not by 'federalization.' How does one defend federal property and people in the south at the time ? Lincoln's was a war of defense against southern secession.




I expect that authorizing to kill americans with drones is not a good idea considering the can of worms that could open up should the people get major pissed about it since kids are making them as hobbyists. http://diydrones.com/

I would not fall for bushes dumb act, or incompetence somehow grants these guys a pardon for breach of trust and fiduciary duties they were sworn to maintain and uphold.

The real problem here is that this is a puppet government and they sort of forgot to disclose that little factoid. After all if they did people would probly do something about it. Better to play the dumb ass role as long as everyone suckers for it.

Nope lincoln was the first puppet prez. slave to the bonds that came due and no money to pay them. The viable and prosperous south wanting to pull out from the federal bankrupters. The estates that were originally a league of friendship now have full membership in the heartbreak hotel.

Cut to the chase, the south was a land grab to get another loan on the debt.










DomKen -> RE: Eric Holder - Secret Warrant & Lying under oath (5/25/2013 2:09:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

It troubles me that the word, "chilling," gets used so often in the revelation that a journalist was so targeted and described in secret warrants.

It should be described as a blood-boiling outrage, and a call to arms (metaphorically) for all who believe in the vital role of a free press in a free society.

We may only be seeing the tip of the iceberg, in how this administration has abused the powers entrusted to them.

You're so full of shit it's almost funny.

Reading one journalists emails is "a blood-boiling outrage" so what is wiretapping every journalist and every citizen?
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Whistleblower_Bushs_NSA_targeted_reporters_0121.html




Politesub53 -> RE: Eric Holder - Secret Warrant & Lying under oath (5/25/2013 5:42:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Then Holder went before Congress, under oath, and said that he had never ordered the prosecution of a reporter.
See here: http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/24/did-eric-holder-lie-in-congressional-testimony-last-week/

Rosen has not been indicted much less prosecuted so your premise that Holder lied is false.


That was my first thought. Holden clearly stated it was to do with the investigation of the leak and not the press for obtaining the material.




TheHeretic -> RE: Eric Holder - Secret Warrant & Lying under oath (5/25/2013 6:09:08 PM)

We do free speech differently here, Polite. Less tyranny involved.

BTW, all that prior claptrap about reducing violence by limiting speech doesn't seem to be doing the battered muslims of Britain much good at the moment. Do you think perhaps the British press is at fault, for allowing the facts of the street terrorist case to be reported?




MrRodgers -> RE: Eric Holder - Secret Warrant & Lying under oath (5/25/2013 6:09:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Lincoln's was a war of defense against southern secession.



DAYAM!!!! That like saying one is defending oneself by shooting club members who just want to leave.

Is this comedy central ? What do you do when 'club members' start shooting ?




MrRodgers -> RE: Eric Holder - Secret Warrant & Lying under oath (5/25/2013 6:24:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Eric Holder plays "fast-n-loose" with the rules? No way!

Unfortunately, as is the case with this administration in general (authorization to kill American citizens with drones requested) and this AG, in particular, there's no news here. It's "dog bites man".

There probably hasn't been a "transparent" administration since Madison or so.

There's far too much power given to the federal government and we can blame Lincoln and the War of Northern Aggression for that; in large part, that's where federalization started).

By contrast, Obummer's promise to be a "transparent" presidency is nothing more but yet another broken promise. That's an occupational hazard for these scumbags we keep electing. I never gave that one any credence to begin with.

Now to the meat of it:

I think Holder and this administration have done irrevocable damage to our way of life, as guaranteed by our constitution but I also believe that they're just building on the excesses of that piece of shit document known as the Patriot Act that King George II inflicted on us.

Welcome to the New World Order



Peace and comfort,



Michael


Well this is America's first real experience in cleaning up after 8 years of that sad and destructive aberration called the Bush admin., the most incompetent, arrogant, felonious admin. and with clear violations of law, that we've ever had to suffer in this country.

It was Bush that could have been impeached on several counts and whose role model was Nixon, he just had bigger and much more expensive ambitions. He still ended up with having to commute the sentence of a fellow repub lamb. Most repub pres. just go ahead and pardon their fellow felons.

Federalization is a very neat word isn't it ? Just how does the federal govt. enforce the laws of the land if not by 'federalization.' How does one defend federal property and people in the south at the time ? Lincoln's was a war of defense against southern secession.




I expect that authorizing to kill americans with drones is not a good idea considering the can of worms that could open up should the people get major pissed about it since kids are making them as hobbyists. http://diydrones.com/

I would not fall for bushes dumb act, or incompetence somehow grants these guys a pardon for breach of trust and fiduciary duties they were sworn to maintain and uphold.

The real problem here is that this is a puppet government and they sort of forgot to disclose that little factoid. After all if they did people would probly do something about it. Better to play the dumb ass role as long as everyone suckers for it.

Nope lincoln was the first puppet prez. slave to the bonds that came due and no money to pay them. The viable and prosperous south wanting to pull out from the federal bankrupters. The estates that were originally a league of friendship now have full membership in the heartbreak hotel.

Cut to the chase, the south was a land grab to get another loan on the debt.

You could be right as most brick & mortar' deals are real estate deals. Then we blame TJ because it was he who bought us all of that trouble.

Yes, yes the bankers saw a chance to put the new country in its financial grips and make us the agric. and indust. production outpost of more European imperialism but didn't get their wish until 1913. (formation of the fed)

That's why Lincoln wanted the 2nd bank of the US as our national industrial lender and the single currency he issued from the treasury. While the process was messy and ripe with corruption, the American people did in the end fund their own war and we were no more slave to the English bankers after the war than we were before the war. (recall the first and last temporary income tax)

In 1862 Lincoln offered the first paper dollar and that was acting as anything but a puppet and in fact maybe why he had to die.




Owner59 -> RE: Eric Holder - Secret Warrant & Lying under oath (5/25/2013 6:35:48 PM)

It seems our rightists would support and vote for bin-laden if he ran against President Obama.....


al-queda come off as pikers comparatively as far as Obama-hate goes.




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