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RE: Chicago and gun laws - 5/27/2013 10:09:26 AM

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Yeah they suspended civil liberties and frisk everything that moves. Lol

Gun deaths are down and I don't fit any of their profiles. Life is good.

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RE: Chicago and gun laws - 5/27/2013 10:33:00 AM

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Yeah they suspended civil liberties and frisk everything that moves. Lol

I don't think it's an infringement of civil liberties if everyone is frisked to make sure they aren't carying something they shouldn't.

I would sooner that than have to look at everyone around me wondering if they are wearing a bomb vest or hiding an AK47 under their coat.

Maybe you should change your name to freedomWARP perhaps. lol

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RE: Chicago and gun laws - 5/27/2013 10:34:30 AM

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Yeah they suspended civil liberties and frisk everything that moves. Lol

Gun deaths are down and I don't fit any of their profiles. Life is good.

Yeah you're white and liberal lol

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RE: Chicago and gun laws - 5/27/2013 11:07:28 AM

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Yeah they suspended civil liberties and frisk everything that moves. Lol

Gun deaths are down and I don't fit any of their profiles. Life is good.

Yeah you're white and liberal lol

Actually I'm a white gun owner with a concealed carry permit but thank you for playing.

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RE: Chicago and gun laws - 5/27/2013 2:46:32 PM

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yeah but are you a liberal? Gun ownership doesn't necessarily cross you off as a liberal. Dennis Kucinich is all for gun rights. At least that's what we here anyway.

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RE: Chicago and gun laws - 5/28/2013 6:43:55 AM

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When it come to NYC there is a number of factors in play. The first one is good policing in all fairness. The police started targeted hot spots where crime was a known problem. More cops on patrol equals less criminals committing crime. Then you have the rampant stop-and-frisk of certain individuals that match certain criteria. These individuals tend to make up the numbers behind the commission of crimes, look at the DOJ reports and you'll see what I mean. So they're getting guns out of the hands of criminals, because very few citizens can legally own and carry firearms without bribing the local politicians, which helps reduce shootings.

Then there is the end of the crack epidemic which caused NYC to have a murder rate over 2,000 in 1990 at its peak. Then you have the gentrification of many parts of the five boroughs. Public housing is getting shut down due to low budgets for it and the buildings are being revamped for middle class or upper class families. So let's be real, fewer poor people, means less crime.

NYC also has one of the largest police forces in the U.S. so it can put a lot of boots on the ground in small places very quickly, this helps lower the opportunity for crime immensely because typically more cops means less crime.

The lessons here: get rid of poor enclaves, get more police, and rub down anyone who belongs to the typical demographics for criminal behaviour.

So where do guns come in? Well it's New York City, they are happy to have their rights immensely restricted and infringed upon. The very core of their gun control laws was passed by a syphlitically demented corrupt Democratic politician that bowed to his criminal supporters to help protect criminals from armed law abiding folks, oh and engage in racism against Catholic, Eastern Europeans, and African Americans. Look up the Sullivan Act.

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RE: Chicago and gun laws - 5/28/2013 3:24:38 PM

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get rid of poor enclaves, get more police, and rub down anyone who belongs to the typical demographics for criminal behaviour.

Memphis, and other cities have been doing exactly that, with the result of being finalists for Murder City USA time after time after time.

Poor people don't simply disappear in a puff of smoke when you bulldoze the projects, and criminals don't melt in the glare of blue lights... they simply try a different approach to living their lives.

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RE: Chicago and gun laws - 5/28/2013 4:40:15 PM

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If you were to ask people from outside the US and many of those inside you more often hear that we have a culture of guns. People want mostly to denigrate America over its drug use and demand. Many will also throw guns in with that culture.

Those countries that do not have a legal right as we do to own guns, have not created a culture of guns and have over the centuries distilled the desire out of society. Many view the US as reckless gunslingers, ready to shoot first in arguments, disputes, crime and ask questions later.

Even the police are now shooting first and dealing with it later. Some in law enforcement have been asked why they want to be a deputy or sheriff and more often than at any time, the answer is...so I can shoot people and get away with it.

Like it or not, the US is a gunslinging country and will over time lose much of the gloss or special status among nations and also lose its luster as a 'peaceful' place to live.

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Many view the US as reckless gunslingers, ready to shoot first in arguments, disputes, crime and ask questions later

As italian this is not the image I have for all the us citizen, but just for people in southern states, we also think that the most reckless gunslinger in town is elected sheriff.

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RE: Chicago and gun laws - 5/28/2013 4:48:37 PM

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As italian this is not the image I have for all the us citizen, but just for people in southern states, we also think that the most reckless gunslinger in town is elected sheriff.

Y'all want some sweat tea? I'll go fix some just as soon as I oil up my rifles and iron my white sheet for later

But seriously.....we may want to update our view of the south by several decades.

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RE: Chicago and gun laws - 5/28/2013 5:50:17 PM

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As italian this is not the image I have for all the us citizen, but just for people in southern states, we also think that the most reckless gunslinger in town is elected sheriff.

Y'all want some sweat tea? I'll go fix some just as soon as I oil up my rifles and iron my white sheet for later

But seriously.....we may want to update our view of the south by several decades.

Never tried sweat tea but I like sweet tea
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RE: Chicago and gun laws - 5/28/2013 5:50:42 PM

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Sounds like too many movies

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RE: Chicago and gun laws - 5/28/2013 7:54:53 PM

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Because the shooters didn't take drug tests... Der.

Are you sure? I thought all of these gang bangers were meant to be minority sorts on benefits...

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RE: Chicago and gun laws - 5/29/2013 3:21:24 AM

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As italian this is not the image I have for all the us citizen, but just for people in southern states, we also think that the most reckless gunslinger in town is elected sheriff.

Y'all want some sweat tea? I'll go fix some just as soon as I oil up my rifles and iron my white sheet for later

But seriously.....we may want to update our view of the south by several decades.

Never tried sweat tea but I like sweet tea
The carefully cultivated image of the south is about as accurate as the image of the navy portrayed by McHale's Navy.

probably that's the tea she was talking about

I haven't said I belive it's plausible but the stereotype is that if knocking a door of a house like in texas an overweight crumpy man with a rifle in hand would appear telling something like "what do you want? be quick I don't like people around my property"

To be back in topic, here in italy there are many controls you have to go through to legally buy a weapon, also a psychological valutation, and you also need a licence to sell the weapon, you also have to declare if you need it for target shooting, hunting or personal safety, licence for personal safety has to be renewed every 2 years hunting and target shooting every 5, but with licences for target shooting you can only move te weapon to a shooting range in your car and use the weapon only there this licence is free the others costs around 140$ (110€). If you collect ancient weapons you just have to declare to police but you can't move outside your house and never use them for any reason. Whoever needs a weapon can have it but for every weapon is recorded. I don't think that's the reason why there are less omicides than in the usa but probably helps.

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