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Chinese Teen Defaces Ancient Egyption Temple - 5/28/2013 3:11:56 PM   
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BEIJING (AP) -- A Chinese teenager who defaced an ancient temple in Egypt with graffiti has come under fire at home where his vandalism prompted public fretting about how to cultivate a good image overseas as more newly affluent Chinese travel abroad.
The teen scratched "Ding Jinhao visited here" in Chinese on a temple wall in the ancient city Luxor, and the incident came to light when another Chinese tourist posted a photo of it on a popular microblog with the comment: "My saddest moment in Egypt. Ashamed and unable to show my face."
The photo quickly caught the attention of the Chinese public, attracting thousands of comments, and someone was able to identify the person responsible for the graffiti as 15-year-old Ding Jinhao from the eastern city of Nanjing. Many criticized Ding's act as an embarrassment to the country.
"Why there are so many citizens who go abroad and humiliate us? How many generations will it take to change this kind of behavior?" Xuan Kejiong, a prominent journalist with Shanghai Television, wrote on his microblog.
The sentiment was echoed by the mouthpiece of the ruling Communist Party, the People's Daily newspaper.


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I didn't read all the comments (there are nearly 5,000, probably more by the time many read this post), but neither in the article or the comments did I see anyone talk about this child making any kind of restitution.

I believe he should have to make some kind of restitution.

What does everyone here think? Restitution or no? Also, there is of course idiots thinking this "poor" teen shouldn't have face the public humility of being shamed, both by his parents and his nation.
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RE: Chinese Teen Defaces Ancient Egyption Temple - 5/28/2013 3:16:58 PM   
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Restitution would be fine, but it wouldn't be the teen paying it, it would be the same people who are shielding him from blame now... the parents.

This is the Little Emperor generation where the child is the center of attention from (usually) 6 individuals who do not say the word 'No' in any imperative sense. Scolding, tssking, dithering, yes, but actually overriding the child's impulses, not so much.

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RE: Chinese Teen Defaces Ancient Egyption Temple - 5/28/2013 3:18:35 PM   
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Yes this idiot should face public disdain and contempt as well as paying for the restoration. Egypt does have laws about such things and he could be facing criminal charges.

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RE: Chinese Teen Defaces Ancient Egyption Temple - 5/28/2013 3:23:57 PM   
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Restitution, absolutely, but I'm mainly impressed with his father, who has come out and publicly stated: "the child has committed a mistake and the main responsibility falls on the adults. It was because we did not supervise him well, and have not taught him well."

That acknowledgment of his personal accountability in the raising of his son is more than I've come to expect from most parents these days.

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RE: Chinese Teen Defaces Ancient Egyption Temple - 5/28/2013 3:25:55 PM   
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Restitution would be fine, but it wouldn't be the teen paying it, it would be the same people who are shielding him from blame now... the parents.




I don't see his father as shielding him from blame at all. His father acknowledges that his son made a mistake, but that the main blame goes to him not teaching his son properly. What more personal accountability for the upbringing of their children do you expect from any parent?

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RE: Chinese Teen Defaces Ancient Egyption Temple - 5/28/2013 3:26:36 PM   
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It loses something in the translation.


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Restitution, absolutely, but I'm mainly impressed with his father, who has come out and publicly stated: "the child has committed a mistake and the main responsibility falls on the adults. It was because we did not supervise him well, and have not taught him well."

That acknowledgment of his personal accountability in the raising of his son is more than I've come to expect from most parents these days.



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RE: Chinese Teen Defaces Ancient Egyption Temple - 5/28/2013 6:03:11 PM   
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If the young man came to the attention of the CCP and the Chinese netizens in a public and negative manner, he likely will need little other punishment.

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RE: Chinese Teen Defaces Ancient Egyption Temple - 5/28/2013 6:11:35 PM   
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i've traveled all over the world and seen all sorts of defacement of all kinds of culturally significant sites (in Asia, in Europe, in South America, in the U.S.). In every place I have seen graffiti in every major language. Usually the inane 'I was here' or 'A heart B'. It seems to me that teenagers (and quite frankly, some adults) worldwide lack respect - I don't think this Chinese teen is out of the ordinary for a teen (sadly). What I do find extraordinary is the reaction of the Chinese - I've never seen a country's people react like this to this type of defacement. I've never seen anyone from any country take a photo of graffiti on a culturally significant site and blast it around their country. I wish more adults the world over would take responsibility for how they raise their children. Certainly American teens are not angels.......

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RE: Chinese Teen Defaces Ancient Egyption Temple - 5/28/2013 6:17:59 PM   
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I'm recalling the case a while back of an American teenager who decided to commit a bit of vandalism in Singapore. I think he learned his lesson.



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RE: Chinese Teen Defaces Ancient Egyption Temple - 5/28/2013 8:00:52 PM   
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Given that the PRC is busy bulldozing the ancient city of Lhasa, I doubt that too many Chinese are all that upset about the actual defacement.

Bringing unwanted attention to the family is considered to be where the parents failed.


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i've traveled all over the world and seen all sorts of defacement of all kinds of culturally significant sites (in Asia, in Europe, in South America, in the U.S.). In every place I have seen graffiti in every major language. Usually the inane 'I was here' or 'A heart B'. It seems to me that teenagers (and quite frankly, some adults) worldwide lack respect - I don't think this Chinese teen is out of the ordinary for a teen (sadly). What I do find extraordinary is the reaction of the Chinese - I've never seen a country's people react like this to this type of defacement. I've never seen anyone from any country take a photo of graffiti on a culturally significant site and blast it around their country. I wish more adults the world over would take responsibility for how they raise their children. Certainly American teens are not angels.......



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RE: Chinese Teen Defaces Ancient Egyption Temple - 5/28/2013 8:01:30 PM   
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I'm recalling the case a while back of an American teenager who decided to commit a bit of vandalism in Singapore. I think he learned his lesson.




Michael Fay. He was worthless at that point, and has been worthless since.

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RE: Chinese Teen Defaces Ancient Egyption Temple - 5/28/2013 10:21:10 PM   
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But has he gone back to Singapore since?

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RE: Chinese Teen Defaces Ancient Egyption Temple - 5/29/2013 1:07:20 AM   
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There are definitely ways that his parents would not bear the responsibility of restitution. Granted, a teenager may not have a job, but community service will directly be a form of restitution. Criminal charges against the child would also affect him directly. I don't think this was a situation where the parents were coddling their child. That is definitely not the culture in China at all. Or any of the Asian countries that I'm aware of.

Ken,

I wholeheartedly agree.

Ishtar,

Not all teen misbehavior is the result of wrong doing on the parents. I know of many situations where the parents were not at fault at all. However, far too many people like to blame the parents for everything, and frankly, this is just another way of absolving the children of what they did wrong. Perhaps you are familiar with how often someone goes into therapy and the results are that their parents failed them, causing their need of psychological help? It certainly does not address the issue.

YN,

The shame he is already facing as this makes the rounds on the internet may only prevent him from getting caught the next time.

fyp,

See my comment to Ishtar regarding it being the fault of the parents. While I don't deny that many parents in this day and age coddle their children far too much, that doesn't always make them responsible for the child's failures or misconduct.

DS,

The only thing I found on the internet about him AFTER that incident is this. That link indicates an arrest for marijuana possession in 1998 which I wouldn't consider as "being worthless ever since." If you have additional information, I would be interested in hearing about it, however, it really is off topic to this thread, so feel free to PM me with the info if you have it.


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RE: Chinese Teen Defaces Ancient Egyption Temple - 5/29/2013 4:48:04 AM   
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Your assessment of Asian culture is at direct odds with the condition known as 'Little Emperors'. This isn't the China of 15 or even 5 years ago.
http://www.npr.org/2010/11/23/131539839/china-s-little-emperors-lucky-yet-lonely-in-life

And your belief that restitution would be demanded is at direct odds with the fact that for 3 generations, Chinese culture has been inculcated with the notion that antiquities are counter-revolutionary. Unless it can be used to generate tourist dollars, it is of no use to the PRC.
Notice that they are busy bulldozing historic cities, palaces, temples and replacing them with mega-mall prefab wonderlands... Lhasa is currently being torn down, with no regard for 1400 year old art, etc.

The parents shame came from the notion that the child drew attention to them, not from the fact that some foreign artifact was defaced.




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Powergamz1

There are definitely ways that his parents would not bear the responsibility of restitution. Granted, a teenager may not have a job, but community service will directly be a form of restitution. Criminal charges against the child would also affect him directly. I don't think this was a situation where the parents were coddling their child. That is definitely not the culture in China at all. Or any of the Asian countries that I'm aware of.

Ken,

I wholeheartedly agree.

Ishtar,

Not all teen misbehavior is the result of wrong doing on the parents. I know of many situations where the parents were not at fault at all. However, far too many people like to blame the parents for everything, and frankly, this is just another way of absolving the children of what they did wrong. Perhaps you are familiar with how often someone goes into therapy and the results are that their parents failed them, causing their need of psychological help? It certainly does not address the issue.

YN,

The shame he is already facing as this makes the rounds on the internet may only prevent him from getting caught the next time.

fyp,

See my comment to Ishtar regarding it being the fault of the parents. While I don't deny that many parents in this day and age coddle their children far too much, that doesn't always make them responsible for the child's failures or misconduct.

DS,

The only thing I found on the internet about him AFTER that incident is this. That link indicates an arrest for marijuana possession in 1998 which I wouldn't consider as "being worthless ever since." If you have additional information, I would be interested in hearing about it, however, it really is off topic to this thread, so feel free to PM me with the info if you have it.





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RE: Chinese Teen Defaces Ancient Egyption Temple - 5/29/2013 10:35:57 AM   
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This is the Little Emperor generation where the child is the center of attention from (usually) 6 individuals who do not say the word 'No' in any imperative sense. Scolding, tssking, dithering, yes, but actually overriding the child's impulses, not so much.


This is brilliant. between the helipcopter parents and the "not MY angel" parents and the "let's make school programs last from dawn till 7:00 at night so I won;t have to mess with them" parents....it's a wonder that some kids make it to adulthood. And when some of them do.....it is a sad state of affairs indeed.

I wonder if the college students whose mommies and daddies call the professors to beg for a better grade are going to have mommies and daddies call when they miss work or don't get a promotion.

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RE: Chinese Teen Defaces Ancient Egyption Temple - 5/29/2013 11:15:38 AM   
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Restitution, absolutely, but I'm mainly impressed with his father, who has come out and publicly stated: "the child has committed a mistake and the main responsibility falls on the adults. It was because we did not supervise him well, and have not taught him well."

That acknowledgment of his personal accountability in the raising of his son is more than I've come to expect from most parents these days.


Why does responsibility for a teenager fall to the adults? You know right from wrong well before you become a teen. he should make restitution for the cleanup.

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RE: Chinese Teen Defaces Ancient Egyption Temple - 5/29/2013 2:01:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Your assessment of Asian culture is at direct odds with the condition known as 'Little Emperors'. This isn't the China of 15 or even 5 years ago.
http://www.npr.org/2010/11/23/131539839/china-s-little-emperors-lucky-yet-lonely-in-life

And your belief that restitution would be demanded is at direct odds with the fact that for 3 generations, Chinese culture has been inculcated with the notion that antiquities are counter-revolutionary. Unless it can be used to generate tourist dollars, it is of no use to the PRC.
Notice that they are busy bulldozing historic cities, palaces, temples and replacing them with mega-mall prefab wonderlands... Lhasa is currently being torn down, with no regard for 1400 year old art, etc.

The parents shame came from the notion that the child drew attention to them, not from the fact that some foreign artifact was defaced.



Well, this is accurate about Asian culture - and I would have to say with the one child policy in China that this is exacerbated quite a bit.

I had not thought too carefully about the Chinese people's relationship with antiquities and you really raise an important point. Part of the cultural revolution wiped out many things from the past - as relics of a political and social structure that the people's revolution did not support. I have to agree that part of the issue here is the shame brought to the family and country from the publicity.

But, I have to say, I am still ashamed, on behalf of all humanity, whenever I visit a culturally significant site and see graffiti etched into stone/wood/etc. I realize many ancient structures were built on slave labor, and in furtherance of cultures that had many negative attributes, however, many of these cultures also had many positive attributes, too. And to forget history is to truly forget who we are. I guess it truly is too much to ask for people to respect antiquities as an important link to our past (independent of our specific cultural background - I mean our past as human beings).

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RE: Chinese Teen Defaces Ancient Egyption Temple - 5/29/2013 8:04:16 PM   
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When I saw this on the news I was beyond livid. To deface something so ancient is just beyond my imagination. But it does once again like so many other times before, has justified my view that people are getting more and more stupid as time goes by and they have no respect whatsoever for history or culture and the significance.

Yes I think he should have to make restitution either financially or in some other way such as having to be a lackey at the national museum there and take a class or two on the importance of the temple and of the history behind it all. I don't think it's right that he gets to just walk away with not even an apology from HIM, just his parents. I mean, they can't even find a way to clean the graffiti. They have tried to no avail and that's sad, very sad to me.

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RE: Chinese Teen Defaces Ancient Egyption Temple - 5/30/2013 9:13:16 PM   
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This is brilliant. between the helipcopter parents and the "not MY angel" parents and the "let's make school programs last from dawn till 7:00 at night so I won;t have to mess with them" parents....it's a wonder that some kids make it to adulthood. And when some of them do.....it is a sad state of affairs indeed.

I wonder if the college students whose mommies and daddies call the professors to beg for a better grade are going to have mommies and daddies call when they miss work or don't get a promotion.


Come now cordeliasub, we all know it's the child's teacher's fault!
Everything is always the fault of the teacher.



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