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Owner59 -> The Obamacare Shock (5/29/2013 4:59:11 PM)

Mr. Krugman hits the nail on the head, over and over again in this piece.



As the ACA becomes implemented.......we can expect every prediction and goepee-behavior he mentions....



And when there`s a success......expect our goepeers to ignore the news.


"The Affordable Care Act, a k a Obamacare, goes fully into effect at the beginning of next year, and predictions of disaster are being heard far and wide. There will be an administrative “train wreck,” we’re told; consumers will face a terrible shock. Republicans, one hears, are already counting on the law’s troubles to give them a big electoral advantage.

No doubt there will be problems, as there are with any large new government initiative, and in this case, we have the added complication that many Republican governors and legislators are doing all they can to sabotage reform. Yet important new evidence — especially from California, the law’s most important test case — suggests that the real Obamacare shock will be one of unexpected success.

Before I can explain what the news means, I need to make a crucial point: Obamacare is a deeply conservative reform, not in a political sense (although it was originally a Republican proposal) but in terms of leaving most people’s health care unaffected. Americans who receive health insurance from their employers, Medicare or Medicaid — which is to say, the vast majority of those who have any kind of health insurance at all — will see almost no changes when the law goes into effect.

There are, however, millions of Americans who don’t receive insurance either from their employers or from government programs. They can get insurance only by buying it on their own, and many of them are effectively shut out of that market. In some states, like California, insurers reject applicants with past medical problems. In others, like New York, insurers can’t reject applicants, and must offer similar coverage regardless of personal medical history (“community rating”); unfortunately, this leads to a situation in which premiums are very high because only those with current health problems sign up, while healthy people take the risk of going uninsured.

Obamacare closes this gap with a three-part approach. First, community rating everywhere — no more exclusion based on pre-existing conditions. Second, the “mandate” — you must buy insurance even if you’re currently healthy. Third, subsidies to make insurance affordable for those with lower incomes."


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/opinion/krugman-the-obamacare-shock.html?_r=0




Yachtie -> RE: The Obamacare Shock (5/29/2013 6:09:58 PM)

FR

Der Krugster is as mistaken as to the ACA as he is about neo-keynesian economic policies.




Owner59 -> RE: The Obamacare Shock (5/29/2013 6:44:30 PM)

Then you don`t mind if we discuss this without your prejudices and biases......

We are as free to think as you are to shut reality out.......










tazzygirl -> RE: The Obamacare Shock (5/29/2013 6:55:54 PM)

This should tickle you, Owner.

Jan Brewer Vetoes Bills After Vowing Not To Sign Legislation Until State Passes Medicaid Expansion

Brewer -- who was the third Republican governor to announce support for an expansion of Medicaid, one of the pillars of Obamacare -- made good on a promise made in early May to place a "moratorium" on signing bills into law until the Arizona state Legislature reaches a deal to pass a budget for the 2014 fiscal year and an expansion to Medicaid. She vetoed bills on education and religious freedom on Thursday.

"I warned that I would not sign additional measures into law until we see resolution of the two most pressing issues facing us: adoption of a fiscal 2014 state budget and plan for Medicaid," Brewer wrote in letters to state lawmakers explaining her actions, according to azcentral.com. "It is disappointing I must demonstrate the moratorium was not an idle threat."

While the state Senate has passed a budget, the House has yet to do so.

The governor's support for Medicaid expansion has put her at odds with many members of her own party.

Ariz. Senate President Andy Biggs (R-Gilbert) has said that he will do "everything in my power" to keep a vote on Medicaid from even coming to the floor, according to NBC News.

State House Appropriations Committee Chairman John Kavanagh (R-Fountain Hills) said during an Arizona Republic-hosted debate that he would "like nothing better than it not even come to a vote."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/24/jan-brewer-vetoes_n_3333631.html




vincentML -> RE: The Obamacare Shock (5/30/2013 11:39:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

FR

Der Krugster is as mistaken as to the ACA as he is about neo-keynesian economic policies.

Neo-keynesian economic policies as practiced by Fed Chairman Bernacke have salvaged the banks and spurred a stock market rise to new highs. Hey, but don't let the facts confuse your propagnada. [8|]




Yachtie -> RE: The Obamacare Shock (5/30/2013 12:54:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

FR

Der Krugster is as mistaken as to the ACA as he is about neo-keynesian economic policies.

Neo-keynesian economic policies as practiced by Fed Chairman Bernacke have salvaged the banks and spurred a stock market rise to new highs. Hey, but don't let the facts confuse your propagnada. [8|]



You and Owner should get a room[:D]




mnottertail -> RE: The Obamacare Shock (5/30/2013 12:58:02 PM)

Down there in California where Jerry Brown may be looking at a surplus this year, hah?




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The Obamacare Shock (5/30/2013 3:22:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

FR

Der Krugster is as mistaken as to the ACA as he is about neo-keynesian economic policies.


Allow me to be somewhat more forthright....

Krugman is a moron.




tazzygirl -> RE: The Obamacare Shock (5/30/2013 3:44:20 PM)

And yet I posted California's exchange... which seems rather reasonable and itsnt "free".




dcnovice -> RE: The Obamacare Shock (5/30/2013 3:53:22 PM)

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Krugman is a moron.


Why?




DomKen -> RE: The Obamacare Shock (5/30/2013 3:59:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

FR

Der Krugster is as mistaken as to the ACA as he is about neo-keynesian economic policies.


Allow me to be somewhat more forthright....

Krugman is a moron.

Yeah he's only won a Nobel Prize.




dcnovice -> RE: The Obamacare Shock (5/30/2013 4:01:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

FR

Der Krugster is as mistaken as to the ACA as he is about neo-keynesian economic policies.

Neo-keynesian economic policies as practiced by Fed Chairman Bernacke have salvaged the banks and spurred a stock market rise to new highs. Hey, but don't let the facts confuse your propagnada. [8|]


You and Owner should get a room[:D]

Schoolyard humor aside, you didn't actually answer Vincent's point.

Do you disagree about Bernanke? If so, why?




DesideriScuri -> RE: The Obamacare Shock (5/30/2013 4:22:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie
FR
Der Krugster is as mistaken as to the ACA as he is about neo-keynesian economic policies.

Allow me to be somewhat more forthright....
Krugman is a moron.

Yeah he's only won a Nobel Prize.


So did Obama... for getting elected. Apparently, you don't necessarily have to do much to be available for one.




Politesub53 -> RE: The Obamacare Shock (5/30/2013 4:28:05 PM)

FFS stupidity abounds today.

"The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to U.S. President Barack Obama "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples."




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The Obamacare Shock (5/30/2013 5:04:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

FR

Der Krugster is as mistaken as to the ACA as he is about neo-keynesian economic policies.


Allow me to be somewhat more forthright....

Krugman is a moron.

Yeah he's only won a Nobel Prize.


So did Yassar Arafat.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The Obamacare Shock (5/30/2013 5:05:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie
FR
Der Krugster is as mistaken as to the ACA as he is about neo-keynesian economic policies.

Allow me to be somewhat more forthright....
Krugman is a moron.

Yeah he's only won a Nobel Prize.


So did Obama... for getting elected. Apparently, you don't necessarily have to do much to be available for one.



(Beyond) well stated.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The Obamacare Shock (5/30/2013 5:06:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

FFS stupidity abounds today.

"The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to U.S. President Barack Obama "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples."


Kinda clarifies everything then.




Lucylastic -> RE: The Obamacare Shock (5/30/2013 5:10:12 PM)

Considering you agreed with ...getting one for being elected, its understandable, that clarification doesnt help you[:D]




dcnovice -> RE: The Obamacare Shock (5/30/2013 5:43:40 PM)

FR

Important point about the Nobel Prizes: Unlike the Peace Prize, which can be intensely political and spur even my eyes to roll, the other prizes are awarded of the basis of actual merit.




DesideriScuri -> RE: The Obamacare Shock (5/30/2013 6:44:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53
FFS stupidity abounds today.
"The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to U.S. President Barack Obama "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples."


Yet, he had done nothing but go on a tour. He continued the "peaceful" actions in Iraq, Afghanistan, and GITMO.

Now, that's real peace promotion!




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