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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 8:52:35 AM   
GotSteel


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Discussions on the above is not what I am talking about. I am talking strictly on the insults and disrespect given to people of religion on these boards when discussing these important issues.

Which group of people aren't subject to insults and disrespect on these boards?

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
Take the issue you posted in this thread. Of all the important issues on religion you choose to post a link to nonsense and worded your lead in to show distain.

Considering that you were just in the last thread that spawned this, I find the lack of understanding bizarre.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
Then when I tried to point this out look at response I got… Even if the responders think I am wrong, their choice, there is no need for disrespect. If you had to impartially go back on the threads on religion over the last year and mark the snarky replies and disrespect posted what do you think the results would show as to who received the most?

I don't know, I can say that I saw you dishing it out last thread. And when you dumped a pile of dickishness in this one why would you expect that to be treated with respect?

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I am not complaining… I give perhaps more than I receive…I am just trying to point out a perception many of belief have and I believe there is something to it.

Butch

From my perspective that perception seems to involve a double standard.

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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 9:00:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Of course there's no religious symbol in the dollar bill. There's a religious statement, saying that all the americans trust in God. Or maybe the americans who use cash. Or only the good americans. Not sure. In the same way, the posters reading "In God We Trust" in american public schools are not a symbol, but a explicit statement. Which is much worse.

And it was a example of how intrusive religious people can get sometimes. But of course, that's cool.

Images on a message board satirizing Jesus Christ.... oh boy, that's evil and worrying.

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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 9:02:01 AM   
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Actually I misread your initial post I thought your were claiming athiests physically attacked the religious or at least it was more than ridicule that you were talking about.


I didn't, my point was that it's rather hyperbolic to use "attack" to refer to what's the status quo treatement of every other position around here.

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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 9:03:00 AM   
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Of course there's no religious symbol in the dollar bill.



But there is a religious symbol on the dollar bill.



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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 9:12:34 AM   
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Hmmmm ... examples of atheists ridiculing religion/theists?


Zombie Jesus Day (Easter)

Some of the more "non insulting quotes":

The Beginning Premise (Nice, non-insensitive photo, here)

Another "Cute" little photo that's not insulting, at all

Another example of not ridiculing someone's beliefs

I'd go look for other threads but my eyes and sensibilities have been assaulted enough just to prove an easily provable point.



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If you're going to make that argument at least take the time to finc one of the good ones.


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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 9:14:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh yeah, In God We Trust is right there in your face.

But since my comment was about a crucifix in a public school classroom, it wasn't really what I was talking about.

Though I do plan to call that school in the morning and ask of there are any religious symbols or crucifixes in their classroom. It is very convenient that so many school systems have web sites - they list the names and numbers of all the schools in the district so I don;t have to google all over the place. I think I'm going to check my own county too just for kicks.

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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 9:20:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cordeliasub

Oh yeah, In God We Trust is right there in your face.

But since my comment was about a crucifix in a public school classroom, it wasn't really what I was talking about.

Though I do plan to call that school in the morning and ask of there are any religious symbols or crucifixes in their classroom. It is very convenient that so many school systems have web sites - they list the names and numbers of all the schools in the district so I don;t have to google all over the place. I think I'm going to check my own county too just for kicks.


I wasn't talking about "In God We Trust". There's an actual religious symbol on the US One Dollar Bill.

Mr. Blue will find it. I have no doubt.



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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 9:46:34 AM   
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1. Because I have the capacity for objectivity and thinking things through well, I realize that one tiny segment of a population does not represent that entire population. For example, I do not think all Muslims are terrorists just because there are some radical sects/groups that resort to terrorism. I do not think all bkier clubs are a bumch of criminals who rape women and then pass them around, even though I know there are some groups that do that. I do not think all atheists are angry and bitter and go out of their way to hate on religion, even though there are a few people who do.


This is one of the things that frustrates me, watching theists blatantly misrepresent what we're saying like this. Everyone one gets that not all Christians are the same, they might not be able to tell you that there are over 30,000 denominations but someone would have to be a complete idiot to think you all agree.

Regardless of what you might think about me, I hope you recognize that I have a 3 digit IQ. So stop claiming we think it "represents that entire population" you should at least know we aren't THAT dumb. So try again, figure out what we're actually saying and if it's confusing by all means ask instead of telling someone what their position is.

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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 9:46:50 AM   
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I wasn't talking about "In God We Trust". There's an actual religious symbol on the US One Dollar Bill.

Mr. Blue will find it. I have no doubt.

I just went over one and while I saw several masonic symbols the closest thing to a religious symbol was the pyramid.

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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 9:50:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe somebody's so ill informed that they think Freemasonry's a religion, rather than a social club for wannabe elitists?

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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 9:59:37 AM   
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There's an actual religious symbol on the US One Dollar Bill.

I am curious what you think that is.

K.

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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 10:03:15 AM   
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the closest thing to a religious symbol was the pyramid.

A truncated pyramid is "close" to a symbol in what religion?

K.

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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 10:05:11 AM   
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Maybe somebody's so ill informed that they think Freemasonry's a religion, rather than a social club for wannabe elitists?

Actually I think he may be right. The All Seeing Eye on the dollar is a masonic symbol but it derives from a Christian symbol called the Eye of Providence which is supposed to represent the Christian deity.

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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 10:06:25 AM   
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the closest thing to a religious symbol was the pyramid.

A truncated pyramid is "close" to a symbol in what religion?

K.

Pyramids were tombs for the pharaohs and the Egyptian burial rites were inextricably linked to their religion.

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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 10:07:35 AM   
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or theres this

or even this which altho called a pentadollar is in fact a star of david (six points) , pentagram having five

or this

Theres all kinds of symbols.... some more believable than others

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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 10:08:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		The same eye of providence that isn't shown inside a pyramid in most of the tattoos and religious art of it you see, you mean?

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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 10:10:45 AM   
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http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000467.html explains this

or theres this

or even this which altho called a pentadollar is in fact a star of david (six points) , pentagram having five

or this

Theres all kinds of symbols.... some more believable than others

That Robert Anton Wilson was a bit of a swank, wasn't he?

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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 10:13:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

the closest thing to a religious symbol was the pyramid.

A truncated pyramid is "close" to a symbol in what religion?

K.

Pyramids were tombs for the pharaohs and the Egyptian burial rites were inextricably linked to their religion.



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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 10:14:09 AM   
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Oh yeah, In God We Trust is right there in your face.

But since my comment was about a crucifix in a public school classroom, it wasn't really what I was talking about.

Though I do plan to call that school in the morning and ask of there are any religious symbols or crucifixes in their classroom. It is very convenient that so many school systems have web sites - they list the names and numbers of all the schools in the district so I don;t have to google all over the place. I think I'm going to check my own county too just for kicks.


Well, I'd say that a "In God We Trust" is much worse than a symbol, but that's me. In the quote I pasted, it states that posters with that motto were hanging in public school classrooms after 9-11. Are you ok with that? What do you think about the presence of that motto in the dollar bills? (This question goes mainly for kdsub). From which point of view, concerning respect to others beliefs (or lack of them) is that ok?

So, yes, some criticism about religion is done in a non respectful way. Same happens with politics, music, basketball, and about any other topic that can spark some debate. The problem - for some religious people - is that religion is not in a privileged position, where cristicism has to be done in a specialy respectful way, although many religious people would love it. It's in the same field that all those other topics.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
I wasn't talking about "In God We Trust". There's an actual religious symbol on the US One Dollar Bill.

Mr. Blue will find it. I have no doubt.



Well... you should doubt it, I have no intention of looking for it. Really don't see the point. I'd say "In God We Trust" written on every dollar bill kind of proves my point about religious invasive behaviour.

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RE: Could an aetheist do this? - 6/2/2013 10:15:59 AM   
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