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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/3/2013 9:45:08 PM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		I do understand what you are saying...but not all administrations or government departments abuse...There is no reason not to trust well meaning legislation...until there is abuse... Yes I am a trusting person...at least until given reason not the trust. If I, you, or all just said...I will never pass legislation then there will be no government and anarchy will rein.

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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/3/2013 9:54:16 PM   
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The chip will constantly beam targeting coordinates to the missile launch systems of the US nuclear arsenal and the orbiting 20 terrawatt laser satellites in order to eliminate anti government right wing and left wing hard liners leaving a population of willing slaves who have no political leanings what so ever.

The implementation of this system will coincide with the threat of a US military man made virus that will necessitate mass vaccinations. While the vaccine will already be stored in biomedical warehouses, the US government will make constant claims that work is being done by the CDC on a vaccine for a few months, allowing a substantial number of the world's population to laugh until they die of pissing their bodily fluids away from constant urinary output over a period of 45 minutes.

I discovered this threat to the population after participating in a sweat lodge ceremony which included eating fried mushrooms, and drinking a tea made from jimsonweed. I also had interesting conversations with a talking wolf, bear, turtle and a self righteous prick of a bald eagle who seemed to think that he knew more about flying than the Wright Brothers.

Strangely enough the animals were wearing tie dyed grateful dead t shirts and had Tommy Chong glass smoking pipes. I do not think they were smoking tobacco.

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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/3/2013 9:57:26 PM   
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I`m for any means of helping law enforcement do their jobs better, which includes exonerating suspects and POIs so they can focus on the real bad guys.


really? how about putting those gps ankle tracker thingies on every living person in the US, that would make crime incredibly hard to get away with.. ya know, since you are for any means of helping da cops..


I think I answered that in the final part of my comment.

no, you didnt.. if you are wanting to do all you can (as you claim) then having a gps tracker on your person (on all persons) would be the very best way.. they are in new cars (along with the black box thingie to tell em if you are driving safely "enough"), insurance corps are trying to con people into voluntary surveillance by them.. whats the difference between one in your car or one on you? its coming dude.. those life/disability insurance corps may wanna make sure you dont do anything dangerous like jaywalk and stuff, and how better to do that by bribing ya with a slightly lower insurance rate if you wear one on your ankle 24/7.. and the cops might send you a ticket in the mail (like red light cameras do) for yer illegal jaywalking and breaking the law.. I'm tellin' ya, its comin'..

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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/3/2013 10:01:40 PM   
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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/3/2013 10:05:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59
I`m for any means of helping law enforcement do their jobs better, which includes exonerating suspects and POIs so they can focus on the real bad guys.


really? how about putting those gps ankle tracker thingies on every living person in the US, that would make crime incredibly hard to get away with.. ya know, since you are for any means of helping da cops..


I think I answered that in the final part of my comment.

no, you didnt.. if you are wanting to do all you can (as you claim) then having a gps tracker on your person (on all persons) would be the very best way.. they are in new cars (along with the black box thingie to tell em if you are driving safely "enough"), insurance corps are trying to con people into voluntary surveillance by them.. whats the difference between one in your car or one on you? its coming dude.. those life/disability insurance corps may wanna make sure you dont do anything dangerous like jaywalk and stuff, and how better to do that by bribing ya with a slightly lower insurance rate if you wear one on your ankle 24/7.. and the cops might send you a ticket in the mail (like red light cameras do) for yer illegal jaywalking and breaking the law.. I'm tellin' ya, its comin'..


It`s a ridiculous question and has nothing to do with reality.

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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/3/2013 10:06:25 PM   
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Look out …or Eric Holder will be subpoenaing Collarme to find out where the leaks are coming from.

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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/3/2013 10:10:45 PM   
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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/3/2013 10:13:01 PM   
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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/3/2013 10:20:11 PM   
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Look out …or Eric Holder will be subpoenaing Collarme to find out where the leaks are coming from.

Butch


You laugh. I don't doubt that this site is on someone's radar.

I was a member of another social networking site where there was a member that made (maybe close to?) national news. It's not an extremely well known website but it got quite a boost after that case.

After that case (if not from cases before that), you'd better not bet that the government doesn't keep an eye out.

I may be a little hazy about this and I'll have to go and do some research but I think there was an FBI (I think) super computer (It was called "Carnivore" or "Predator" or some shit like that) that could scan 1 billion e-mails in an hour. It was put into operation before 9/11/2001. Things have gotten even crazier since.

That piece of shit law that Bush unleashed on us defines all of us as terrorists until we prove otherwise (for purposes of law enforcement). Have you ever tried to prove a negative? Pretty fuckin' tough to do.

Sorry. Abuse has been going on (at least) since Nixon and I haven't seen any reason to believe that the government machine has reformed since then.

We're involved in a war for our very liberties and every inch of ground that we give up is another inch closer to out-right slavery to the "greater good".



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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/3/2013 10:27:17 PM   
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We're involved in a war for our very liberties and every inch of ground that we give up is another inch closer to out-right slavery to the "greater good".


I don't think we are...it would be different if we did not elect our representatives... But ...all I can say is I hope I am right and you are wrong.

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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/3/2013 10:31:32 PM   
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It`s a ridiculous question and has nothing to do with reality.

hardly.. there is a gps thingie in all new cell phones now (so you carry that already).. and apps people use so their friends know where they are.. tracking everyone (with a cell phone) isnt far away.. its in one way better than ankle trackers, cuz with your cell phone you wont know they are doing it..

"Officially, the authorities (like the police) can obtain permission to position phones in emergency cases where people (including criminals) are missing. The U.S. Justice Department has argued that current laws allow them to track suspects without having probable cause to suspect a law is being violated.[10] In some instances, law enforcement may even access a mobile phone's internal microphone to eavesdrop on local conversations while the phone is switched off.[11]
The Electronic Frontier Foundation is tracking some cases, including USA v. Pen Register, regarding government tracking of individuals.[12]
In the US, an interpretation of The Patriot Act that is secret, but confirmed to exist,[13][14][15][16] has been linked to secret widespread location tracking.[17][18][19]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_tracking

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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/3/2013 10:33:17 PM   
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We're involved in a war for our very liberties and every inch of ground that we give up is another inch closer to out-right slavery to the "greater good".


I don't think we are...it would be different if we did not elect our representatives... But ...all I can say is I hope I am right and you are wrong.

Butch

just wondering.. do you happen to have a Plan B if you are wrong???

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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/3/2013 10:42:28 PM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		I'll just get some of my repub buddies and whip out our AR15's and straighten things out of course... I mean why else keep all my guns but to keep them pesky libs in line.

wait I am a lib on some things...oh well fun to shoot things up anyway.

But really... your worries are what elections are far.

Butch

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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/3/2013 10:47:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		tj ...I'm really not making fun of your worries...I understand them. And anyway mandatory DNA will never happen in America we all know this. But in a perfect trusting world it would be a great idea that could help many...What else is a government for except to help its people..

Butch

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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/3/2013 11:04:53 PM   
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tj ...I'm really not making fun of your worries...I understand them. And anyway mandatory DNA will never happen in America we all know this. But in a perfect trusting world it would be a great idea that could help many...What else is a government for except to help its people..

Butch

maybe not for you or I but eventually I do think it will happen, perhaps to your future kids or grandkids, just as as soon as a baby is born, it must have a SSN.. easy enough to swab that baby right after its born.. Do you think your founding fathers had any clue how the govt would be monitoring and controlling their citizens as they do today? Imo, it will happen, its just a question of when.. maybe all it takes is another 9/11 and the govt will tell people to line up to have their dna taken and they will do it without question.. In a perfect world the govt would be one you could actually trust, does anyone actually trust the govt? that is the thing.. people dont trust the govt or their motivations cuz they have shown themselves to be untrustworthy..

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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/3/2013 11:17:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Many here on CM will call me gullible...maybe I am but...Yes... I do trust my government when I have the ability to change it when it misbehaves. You would never know whether the government was trustworthy or not if not for finds and admissions and changes of abuses over the years...by the government elected by the people demanding change.

Damn I feel like I should be standing with my hand over my heart looking at the Stars and Stripes. I guess I'm sounding corny but its the real me...lol

Butch

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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/4/2013 2:48:22 PM   
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I'd worry more about employers accessing a universal DNA database to screen out people with indications for expensive long term illnesses. [/quote

Exactly. But- is there something inherently wrong with that? When you think about it, isn't that exactly the same thing as charging young men more for car insurance?

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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/4/2013 2:49:32 PM   
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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/4/2013 2:53:30 PM   
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Perhaps a closer read of the objections might disabuse you of your ignorance?


Not unless they deal with actual examples of what abuse might be made of such a database.
All I hear are knees jerking.

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RE: Supreme Court OKs DNA collection - 6/4/2013 3:08:09 PM   
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Sorry. Abuse has been going on (at least) since Nixon and I haven't seen any reason to believe that the government machine has reformed since then.


I agree, but I do not understand what a DNA database has to do with it.

Let's suppose that I pop up on the radar of some gummint dick, rightly or wrongly. If I pop up high enough to receive my very own arrest warrant (been there done that), having my DNA in the database might make me easier to find, if I were subsequently arrested under an assumed name (as would the fingerprints they already have on file).

What other "abuse" can the gummint commit with my DNA?
I just don't get it.

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