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Owner59 -> College Republicans: geopee "Closed Minded, Racist, Rigid" (6/4/2013 4:57:21 PM)
From the mouths of babes....[:D] The College Republican National Committee (CRNC) released yet another post-mortem today. The report was focused on the reasons the Republicans lost the youth vote so badly. POLITICO was privy to an exclusive copy of the report which will be released privately to Republican officials and outside groups. As this post is being written, the document was released online here. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06/03/gop-viewed-as-closed-minded-racist-rigid-by-college-students-in-republican-survey-video/#ixzz2VIM142ti

GotSteel -> RE: College Republicans: geopee "Closed Minded, Racist, Rigid" (6/4/2013 8:54:33 PM)
"What remains at issue is that the report fails to understand that Republicans do not have a messaging problem; they have the “acceptance of facts” problem."

tazzygirl -> RE: College Republicans: geopee "Closed Minded, Racist, Rigid" (6/4/2013 10:24:09 PM)
Speeches like this dont help.... A tea party leader in Dallas is facing a backlash after saying the Republican Party doesn’t want African-American voters to show up at the polls. “I’m going to be real honest with you,” Tea Party leader Ken Emanuelson said at a Dallas County Republican Party event on May 20. “The Republican Party doesn’t want black people to vote if they are going to vote 9-to-1 for Democrats.” An audio recording of his comments were published online Tuesday by the pro-Democrat group Battleground Texas. In a statement posted on Facebook, Emanuelson said he misspoke during the meeting. He said he shouldn’t have spoken on behalf of the Republican Party. “What I meant, and should have said, is that it is not, in my personal opinion, in the interests of the Republican Party to spend its own time and energy working to generally increase the number of Democratic voters at the polls, and at this point in time, nine of every ten African American voters cast their votes for the Democratic Party,” he wrote. “That said, I’ve been very clear, time and time again, that the Republican Party absolutely must expand and build bridges into all communities,” Emanuelson added. “I reiterated that same opinion at the same meeting.” Republicans across the country have pushed for stricter voting regulations, such as voter ID laws, to protect against alleged voter fraud. A federal court last year blocked Texas from implementing its own voter ID law, ruling it would have a disproportionately negative impact on poor and minority voters. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/04/texas-tea-party-leader-gop-doesnt-want-black-people-to-vote/

JeffBC -> RE: College Republicans: geopee "Closed Minded, Racist, Rigid" (6/4/2013 10:40:35 PM)
I personally loved this bit: “We found that there were misconceptions and common ways of thinking among people who didn’t view the Republican Party favorably that were simply not in accord with where the party actually stands,” Smith told POLITICO. That was especially the case with certain economic issues. The report said that on many questions tied to that subject, young people and the GOP are, in fact, on the same page: support for entrepreneurship and small businesses and slashing spending in many instances, for example. But that common ground often got lost for young voters. To combat that, the report stressed that the GOP should better explain how its policies translate into economic growth for the country and for individuals. On an issue that hits especially close to home for young voters — student loans — Democrats are perceived as taking more action. LOL... I think if either party actually explained their economic policies then people would be marching on Washington and not for a peaceful protest. I'd encourage the GOP to avoid explaining how their policies translate and instead keep making up shit. The shit has a better chance at keeping them in some semblance of power. And the article also inexplicably said this: Of course, most in the focus groups and the scientific study would agree with those points. Every liberal Democrat and Republican and every conservative Democrat & Republican believe in robust entrepreneurship, robust small businesses, and slashing wasteful spending. The problem is how you get there. OK, I got Elizabeth Warren. I might have one or two others. That's about the sum total of DC that I think has any interest in "robust entrepreneurship, robust small businesses, and slashing wasteful spending". Every single other one of those motherfuckers wants exactly the opposite of those things.

Zonie63 -> RE: College Republicans: geopee "Closed Minded, Racist, Rigid" (6/5/2013 10:33:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 From the mouths of babes....[:D] The College Republican National Committee (CRNC) released yet another post-mortem today. The report was focused on the reasons the Republicans lost the youth vote so badly. POLITICO was privy to an exclusive copy of the report which will be released privately to Republican officials and outside groups. As this post is being written, the document was released online here. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06/03/gop-viewed-as-closed-minded-racist-rigid-by-college-students-in-republican-survey-video/#ixzz2VIM142ti Back when I was in college during the Reagan era, I never really cared much for College Republicans. But this part of the article caused me to sit up and take notice: quote: Republicans belief in trickle-down economics as the way to induce a robust economy has failed. Reagan started that process while George W. Bush continued it on steroids. Young people can see that hard work does not necessarily make wealth and success anymore. The people sitting on their rear ends moving capital are the ones rewarded. When young people leave college with a large debt load and they hear that a Republican Party wants to leave loan rates that float with the desires of bankers, they understand the party may say they care, but their actions say otherwise. I think this speaks volumes. Trickle-down economics never really did work (nor does outsourcing or globalism), but try explaining that to a Reaganite. They never get it. But another problem is addressed in the previous paragraph: quote: Of course, most in the focus groups and the scientific study would agree with those points. Every liberal Democrat and Republican and every conservative Democrat & Republican believe in robust entrepreneurship, robust small businesses, and slashing wasteful spending. The problem is how you get there. "Robust entrepreneurship" may be the opiate of the masses here, and it seems to affect both Democrats and Republicans alike. Many still cling to the illusion of the "American Dream," and that's where both parties are equally wrong. You can't get there from here, yet many people still believe that we can. I also think that both Republicans and Democrats get too heavily caught up in social issues and don't put enough focus on purely economic issues. On economic issues, Democrats and Republicans are far too similar to each other, as both supported NAFTA, free trade, globalism, and outsourcing. On those issues, there is absolutely no difference between Republicans and Democrats, and those are the things which are killing America.

JeffBC -> RE: College Republicans: geopee "Closed Minded, Racist, Rigid" (6/5/2013 12:58:38 PM)
I pretty much agree with that point by point Zonie. That last bit is why I don't vote either party anymore. They are both killing our nation and my belief is that they are both doing it knowingly like pirates pillaging the wreck of a sinking ship.

cloudboy -> RE: College Republicans: geopee "Closed Minded, Racist, Rigid" (6/5/2013 1:11:05 PM)
I like the list of reasons they don't support the GOP. 1. GOP economic polices are to blame for the recession. 2. Lower taxes will not create jobs. 3. Increase taxes on the wealthy. 4. End the attacks on women’s reproductive health. 5. Expand universal health care coverage. 6. Provide comprehensive immigration reform. 7. Cut the defense budget first. 8. Democrats are more responsive on student loans. 9. Climate change is real. 10. Bush’s wars blew up the deficit. 11. Marriage equality for all. Go millenials! Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06/03/gop-viewed-as-closed-minded-racist-rigid-by-college-students-in-republican-survey-video/#ixzz2VNGlqXtp

JeffBC -> RE: College Republicans: geopee "Closed Minded, Racist, Rigid" (6/5/2013 1:23:05 PM)
I gotta admit, I'd vote for the candidate with that platform in about 2 seconds even without adding in "rein in wall street". I wouldn't care if that candidate was blue, red or pink. In point of fact that candidate was green for me last year. Those points are basically a "pro occupy" position -- at least as I conceive it -- and that is my party

leonine -> RE: College Republicans: geopee "Closed Minded, Racist, Rigid" (6/5/2013 2:19:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy 11. Marriage equality for all. Go millenials! In our Parliament's debate on our marriage equality Bill (which now looks to be all over but shooting the wounded,) a Conservative explained why she had originally been against it but had changed her mind: she has children, and they and all their peers just cannot see what anyone could have against it. For that generation, it's a no-brainer, and any party hysterically opposed to it loses credibility right there.

RomanticRebel -> RE: College Republicans: geopee "Closed Minded, Racist, Rigid" (6/5/2013 3:20:56 PM)
As one who watched the W years as a teenager, I'm going to explain why I (and probably a good number of those my age) cannot support the GOP. All of our lives, we were pressured to do well in school, go to college, get a good job, etc. Certainly there's nothing wrong with wanting those things, but the availability of them has become less and less over time. We watched as the Republican party spent away our future (and sent us off to die) on two wars that nobody wanted, and on tax breaks for people who didn't need one. We watched as most good paying jobs went overseas, probably never to return unless we get rid of the horrible idea of "free trade". We have watched tuition rates go up, and up, and up, along with the amount of money we owe should we take the route of higher education. It's getting harder and harder to buy a house, because banks lent to people they knew couldn't afford it. We know for a fact that our standard of living is going to be much lower than our parents (the first time that's ever happened), because of 30 odd years of "trickle down economics". We are literally going to work our entire lives to get things back to where they were 15 years ago, and we don't even know if there will be a reward for it. Voting for the GOP would feel like giving a knife to the same person who stabbed us in the back.

Zonie63 -> RE: College Republicans: geopee "Closed Minded, Racist, Rigid" (6/6/2013 10:31:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC I pretty much agree with that point by point Zonie. That last bit is why I don't vote either party anymore. They are both killing our nation and my belief is that they are both doing it knowingly like pirates pillaging the wreck of a sinking ship. I also don't support either party. I stopped being a Democrat the day Clinton signed NAFTA into law. The Democrats have stood idly by, doing next to nothing while the conservatives and Wall Streeters have been looting and pillaging the country and our public treasury. They're not the party of FDR or JFK anymore. Maybe they thought that losing so many elections from '68 to '88 gave them no other choice but to sell out, but that's what they did. The Democrats have a great deal of political capital at the moment. It has been successfully demonstrated (by this thread and elsewhere) that the GOP is on the ropes. The Tea Party is in the crapper, and even the College Republicans are starting to fall out. So, the Democrats have a golden opportunity to truly make a difference and bring about serious change and reform in this country. I'm just wondering why they haven't done it yet. This is the perfect time to put a on a full-court press to end NAFTA and other free trade agreements, reimpose heavy tariffs on manufactured imports, set up wage/price controls, ban outsourcing, and start bringing jobs back to America again. If they did that, then I and many other Americans would get behind them quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC I gotta admit, I'd vote for the candidate with that platform in about 2 seconds even without adding in "rein in wall street". I wouldn't care if that candidate was blue, red or pink. In point of fact that candidate was green for me last year. Those points are basically a "pro occupy" position -- at least as I conceive it -- and that is my party The only problem I have with that list is what's not on it. Sure, it's easy to say "GOP economic policies are to blame for the recession," but without specifying which policies, it's a meaningless statement. Likewise, increasing taxes on the wealthy sounds compelling, but again, there's no specificity as to what that actually means and how it would be done. There is something we can do (aside from what I've already mentioned about tariffs and outsourcing). If the rich have all this offshore money that we can't touch or tax, then there's one form of wealth that they can't physically transfer overseas: Their property and holdings here in the United States. I think a good place to start would be to impose an unused/vacant property tax that doubles each month until the property is either sold or utilized in some way. Whenever I see an empty warehouse, storefront, or vacant lot in an urban setting (and remaining that way for months or even years), I have to wonder why. I've seen businesses go under not because of high taxes, but because of high rents. Just to illustrate what I mean, let's say that a bank forecloses on a homeowner and takes possession of the house. Let's say that the property tax is $100 per month. If the bank hasn't sold the house after a month, they would owe $100 in property taxes. If they haven't sold it after two months, then the tax would become $200. After three months, $400, and so on, doubling each month until the property is sold or otherwise utilized. By the end of 12 months, the tax would be over $200,000. In the case of foreclosures, perhaps an extra tax could be added, something like a "foreclosure fee" of about $100,000 per foreclosure. (Edited to add: According to this site, there were more than 4 million completed foreclosures from January 2007 to December 2011. At $100,000 per foreclosure, that would $400 billion in extra tax revenue. If the banks are so desperate to foreclose on people and put them out on the streets, then they should be more than willing to pay the price.) The same idea could be applied to rental properties, vacant lots, empty storefronts, abandoned warehouses, etc. And unlike other "tax the rich" proposals, it wouldn't actually penalize people for being rich, just greedy. In this way, they would be compelled to sell or rent their properties at reasonable prices. Property values and rents would come down to the point where they're more affordable, and with the extra disposable income that people will have, it will stimulate the economy to no end. I think it's a wonderful idea, but obviously, I have no illusions that such a proposal would ever see the light of day. But I also know that it wouldn't be because the conservatives and the GOP are so powerful that they would be able to quash it. As this thread has illustrated, the GOP is on the ropes, so if we're not getting the needed changes and reforms in our political/economic system, then who else would be standing in the way?

RottenJohnny -> RE: College Republicans: geopee "Closed Minded, Racist, Rigid" (6/6/2013 2:45:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 This is the perfect time to put a on a full-court press to end NAFTA and other free trade agreements, reimpose heavy tariffs on manufactured imports, set up wage/price controls, ban outsourcing, and start bringing jobs back to America again. If they did that, then I and many other Americans would get behind them This is a little off topic but... If you tried to revert back to this I think you might be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Whether you realize it or not, an FTA is more than just a trade agreement. There's also a political part that plays into the idea of "making friends" with nations that might otherwise develop relationships with our "enemies". In essence, any agreement with a fence sitting nation is better than no agreement at all when it comes to our security. Just look at who we're proposing FTAs with. It isn't all with countries like France, Germany, and England. It's mostly countries in areas where political changes are going on. That being said, the only problem I see with the way the Republicans are trying to implement free trade is too many agreements too quickly. According to info I got from Wikipedia, our first FTA was with Israel in 1985. It was 9 years before we entered into another (NAFTA) in 1994. Then we waited another 7 years before we signed one with Jordan in 2001. Despite those agreements, the economy seemed to be fairly solid during that time. I don't know about anyone else but I was making a shit-ton of money then. But between 2001 and 2011 we've entered into 11 more FTAs with 16 other nations and we have another dozen or more proposed. All of this creates too quick of a drain on jobs and income in too short a time period. I'm not opposed to the idea of helping poorer nations develop and hopefully making new friends but there needs to be more lag time between agreements for our economy to absorb the lost jobs and dollars. JMO

Zonie63 -> RE: College Republicans: geopee "Closed Minded, Racist, Rigid" (6/7/2013 9:40:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 This is the perfect time to put a on a full-court press to end NAFTA and other free trade agreements, reimpose heavy tariffs on manufactured imports, set up wage/price controls, ban outsourcing, and start bringing jobs back to America again. If they did that, then I and many other Americans would get behind them This is a little off topic but... If you tried to revert back to this I think you might be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Whether you realize it or not, an FTA is more than just a trade agreement. There's also a political part that plays into the idea of "making friends" with nations that might otherwise develop relationships with our "enemies". In essence, any agreement with a fence sitting nation is better than no agreement at all when it comes to our security. Just look at who we're proposing FTAs with. It isn't all with countries like France, Germany, and England. It's mostly countries in areas where political changes are going on. That being said, the only problem I see with the way the Republicans are trying to implement free trade is too many agreements too quickly. According to info I got from Wikipedia, our first FTA was with Israel in 1985. It was 9 years before we entered into another (NAFTA) in 1994. Then we waited another 7 years before we signed one with Jordan in 2001. Despite those agreements, the economy seemed to be fairly solid during that time. I don't know about anyone else but I was making a shit-ton of money then. But between 2001 and 2011 we've entered into 11 more FTAs with 16 other nations and we have another dozen or more proposed. All of this creates too quick of a drain on jobs and income in too short a time period. I'm not opposed to the idea of helping poorer nations develop and hopefully making new friends but there needs to be more lag time between agreements for our economy to absorb the lost jobs and dollars. JMO I think the reason for it is strictly profit and greed. We can still be friends with a nation without free trade agreements. A large part of the motivation was cheaper labor. It's cheaper to manufacture goods overseas where the workers earn only a fraction of what U.S. workers became accustomed to. So there's an element of exploitation which may work in the short-run, but would not be conducive to any long-term friendships. The other side of the coin is that the FTAs were supposed to open up foreign markets for American goods, but that hasn't panned out as well as they promised. Another thing that should be mentioned is that, in a world economy without borders, there will be a natural tendency towards economic equilibrium. The idea is that, eventually, all workers in the world will earn the same wages and that the playing field will be totally level from nation to nation. The West has been like an island of wealth and high living standards in a world of mostly impoverished people. In order for Western workers to be able to compete with that, they have to be willing to accept lower wages, lower benefits, and a lower standard of living - which is what we're seeing right now. That's the dirty little secret that neither party is willing to admit.

kalikshama -> RE: College Republicans: geopee "Closed Minded, Racist, Rigid" (6/7/2013 12:46:13 PM)
I have the 95 page report on my kindle and will be reading it soon. Here's Salon's take: College Republicans' plan for GOP rebranding: Seem tolerant! ...The report, according to Politico’s summary, covers much of the same ground as the Reince Priebus-ordered RNC report on the troubles of the Republican Party released earlier this year. Politico sums up the findings with the following bullet points: - Gay marriage: “On the ‘open-minded’ issue … [w]e will face serious difficulty so long as the issue of gay marriage remains on the table.” - Hispanics: “Latino voters … tend to think the GOP couldn’t care less about them.” - Perception of the party’s economic stance: “We’ve become the party that will pat you on your back when you make it, but won’t offer you a hand to help you get there.” - Big reason for the image problem: The “outrageous statements made by errant Republican voices.” - Words that up-for-grabs voters associate with the GOP: “The responses were brutal: closed-minded, racist, rigid, old-fashioned.” Now, you and I know this, but apparently Republicans still haven’t figured out that another name for “errant Republican voices” is “people honestly and clearly stating the dominant policy and philosophical positions of the modern conservative movement.” This is where they may run into some trouble. In fact, most of these unfortunate impressions people have of the party are accurate reflections of the party’s positions. The report sidesteps most of this, calling for the party to sound more tolerant and open-minded. On same-sex marriage, the authors write, “the party ought to promote the diversity of thought within its ranks and make clear that we welcome healthy debate on the policy topic at hand.” We’ve been having “healthy debate” on the issue for some time now, and most Americans — including overwhelming majorities of young people — have come to the conclusion that the debate is basically over.

RottenJohnny -> RE: College Republicans: geopee "Closed Minded, Racist, Rigid" (6/7/2013 2:22:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 I think the reason for it is strictly profit and greed. Believe me, I know greed was certainly the prime mover for the entire thing. It's always the prime mover. You can't avoid it. quote: We can still be friends with a nation without free trade agreements. But are they willing to be friends with us? quote: A large part of the motivation was cheaper labor. It's cheaper to manufacture goods overseas where the workers earn only a fraction of what U.S. workers became accustomed to. So there's an element of exploitation which may work in the short-run, but would not be conducive to any long-term friendships. The exploitation of cheap labor is where corporations make their profit. The "friendship" angle is for the politicians. In effect, we're buying friendships. Then we use the FTA as a tool to manipulate them to stay on our side of the fence. quote: The other side of the coin is that the FTAs were supposed to open up foreign markets for American goods, but that hasn't panned out as well as they promised. This was the 10% of the idea they used to sell us on the plan. The remaining 90% was the greed you mentioned earlier. Obviously, they weren't going to tell us that part. quote: Another thing that should be mentioned is that, in a world economy without borders, there will be a natural tendency towards economic equilibrium. The idea is that, eventually, all workers in the world will earn the same wages and that the playing field will be totally level from nation to nation. The West has been like an island of wealth and high living standards in a world of mostly impoverished people. In order for Western workers to be able to compete with that, they have to be willing to accept lower wages, lower benefits, and a lower standard of living - which is what we're seeing right now. That's the dirty little secret that neither party is willing to admit. This is the point I was trying to make when I mentioned the need to let us absorb the lost jobs and income before signing another FTA. I don't think we can avoid this path. The corporations are making too much money on the exploitation. I'm just looking at the long-term. Once we reach the point of equilibrium you mentioned, businesses lose the ability to profit from that kind of exploitation. Unfortunately, you're correct that we're going to bear the brunt of the cost to reach that equilibrium. So I wouldn't be looking for any relief from the sinking standard of living in our lifetime. All you can do is try limiting your exposure to the damage it's going to cause.

popeye1250 -> RE: College Republicans: geopee "Closed Minded, Racist, Rigid" (6/8/2013 12:26:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 From the mouths of babes....[:D] The College Republican National Committee (CRNC) released yet another post-mortem today. The report was focused on the reasons the Republicans lost the youth vote so badly. POLITICO was privy to an exclusive copy of the report which will be released privately to Republican officials and outside groups. As this post is being written, the document was released online here. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06/03/gop-viewed-as-closed-minded-racist-rigid-by-college-students-in-republican-survey-video/#ixzz2VIM142ti Back when I was in college during the Reagan era, I never really cared much for College Republicans. But this part of the article caused me to sit up and take notice: quote: Republicans belief in trickle-down economics as the way to induce a robust economy has failed. Reagan started that process while George W. Bush continued it on steroids. Young people can see that hard work does not necessarily make wealth and success anymore. The people sitting on their rear ends moving capital are the ones rewarded. When young people leave college with a large debt load and they hear that a Republican Party wants to leave loan rates that float with the desires of bankers, they understand the party may say they care, but their actions say otherwise. I think this speaks volumes. Trickle-down economics never really did work (nor does outsourcing or globalism), but try explaining that to a Reaganite. They never get it. But another problem is addressed in the previous paragraph: quote: Of course, most in the focus groups and the scientific study would agree with those points. Every liberal Democrat and Republican and every conservative Democrat & Republican believe in robust entrepreneurship, robust small businesses, and slashing wasteful spending. The problem is how you get there. "Robust entrepreneurship" may be the opiate of the masses here, and it seems to affect both Democrats and Republicans alike. Many still cling to the illusion of the "American Dream," and that's where both parties are equally wrong. You can't get there from here, yet many people still believe that we can. I also think that both Republicans and Democrats get too heavily caught up in social issues and don't put enough focus on purely economic issues. On economic issues, Democrats and Republicans are far too similar to each other, as both supported NAFTA, free trade, globalism, and outsourcing. On those issues, there is absolutely no difference between Republicans and Democrats, and those are the things which are killing America. True! Well said!

epiphiny43 -> RE: College Republicans: geopee "Closed Minded, Racist, Rigid" (6/8/2013 12:40:57 AM)
An article on off-shoring US industry in Wired interviewed a lot of mid-level business executives. Most studied the situation and decided 1/3 would succeed, 1/3 would fail and 1/3 would break even. But when their accountants did the taxes, most Had to off-shore, the tax incentives Congress passed made it a slam dunk to move industry out of the country. All in the name of 'competitiveness'. And it's sunk the working class, much business and damaged our balance of payments, probably fatally. Globalization has worked well for those big enough and financed well enough to enter and dominate new markets. It's largely destabilized the small farmer everywhere and made refugees of marginal workers all over the US and the Americas just for starters. Just one more classic battle between Wall Street and Main Street, only NAFTA went after local businesses all over the hemisphere. As long as the Supreme Court permits money to dominate the political process through election funding and unlimited lobbying, nothing will change, the short term financial interests of the capital moving investors will trump the national interest every time.

jlf1961 -> RE: College Republicans: geopee "Closed Minded, Racist, Rigid" (6/8/2013 12:41:21 AM)
And these republican college students are different than many of the adults in the party how? I did not say the majority, I said many. For that matter there are many in the Democrat party I think are in dire need of shock therapy... using an electric chair.

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