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jlf1961 -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/7/2013 11:42:32 PM)
Look, when I go to civil war battlefields, I remember the fallen. When I go to the places where there were battles between the US Army and Native Americans, I remember the fallen. There are a lot of people that remember the fallen on specific days other than Memorial day, or VE day, or VJ day, or Veterans day. I never said that the rest of the world should do so, but I feel that someone should remember the men that died on 6 June 1944, because of what that day meant. It was the first day that Hitler's Fortress Europe was attacked and breached, it was the largest invasion force ever put together for an amphibious landing. It was the day that the Allies began the task of freeing Europe from the grasp of a madman. You really want it put in prospective, walk through the National Cemeteries where the dead are buried, look at the acres of crosses for those that never went home. As for the Battle of the Bulge, I remember those dead as well, at that time of year. I light a candle for their memory. I remember Melmady, I remember Black Thursday, October 14, 1943, when the Allied air forces suffered large losses during bombing in the Second Raid on Schweinfurt during World War II. I remember the Greatest Day, August 15, 1940. I know many people who do the same. Men who served with the 82nd, or 101st, Rangers that remember the first Ranger units in WWII. My great grandmother would remember D Day for two sons she lost on Omaha Beach. On both sides of my family, there is a military tradition that goes back to long before they came to the US in the 1700's. Maybe it is just me, thinking of the men of my family that died fighting for what they believed in. And as for D Day, once more, I remember those Germans who for the most part were not Nazi's, who did not volunteer, but fought because they had no choice. People should not remember just the dead of the victorious, but the dead of the vanquished as well. Remember those significant days in history, and the lunacy that made those battles necessary. I remember those days, and remember the words of Plato, "Only the dead have seen the end of war."

popeye1250 -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/8/2013 12:02:15 AM)
All my people were in the Navy and Marines in the S. Pacific fighting the Japs. But of course we remember those who fought in the European theater against the Nazis.

jlf1961 -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/8/2013 12:11:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 All my people were in the Navy and Marines in the S. Pacific fighting the Japs. But of course we remember those who fought in the European theater against the Nazis. My mom's family lost men in both theaters, so did my dad's family. Hell I had some cousins of my great grandfather that went down on the Arizona.

SpanishMatMaster -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/8/2013 8:00:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 I never said that the rest of the world should do so, but I feel that... I guess this is the most approximate to a retract that we are going to get, so for me it's ok. He did say that somebody ELSE should do so, and that this someone else should have posted something HERE in a specific WAY. But he is not going to recognize what he said, so I better let it be. The point is clear. People commemorate what the want and how they want, and there is no duty for anybody to commemorate what he wants, how long he wants, in the way he wants. His election of the D-Day is arbitrary: it affects him in a way but does not have to affect anybody else in the same way. That's enough.

DesideriScuri -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/8/2013 10:44:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 I never said that the rest of the world should do so, but I feel that... I guess this is the most approximate to a retract that we are going to get, so for me it's ok. He did say that somebody ELSE should do so, and that this someone else should have posted something HERE in a specific WAY. But he is not going to recognize what he said, so I better let it be. The point is clear. People commemorate what the want and how they want, and there is no duty for anybody to commemorate what he wants, how long he wants, in the way he wants. His election of the D-Day is arbitrary: it affects him in a way but does not have to affect anybody else in the same way. That's enough. Why this has your panties in a twist, I don't know. If you don't want to commemorate the day, don't. Here is what he said, "I have waited all day for someone to say... How about a moment of silence for those men who died on this date, 1944." He may not have expected anyone to do so. He may not have thought anyone would. He may have been waiting to see who, if any, would do it here. If you don't want to join in a moment of silence for those that past in the D-Day actions, don't. But, just back the fuck off and let others do so in their own way. FFS!

SpanishMatMaster -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/9/2013 3:40:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Here is what he said, "I have waited all day for someone to say... How about a moment of silence for those men who died on this date, 1944." Implying that someone should have said that before him. Something he admitted already. quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri If you don't want to join in a moment of silence for those that past in the D-Day actions, don't. But, just back the fuck off and let others do so in their own way. FFS! If he had not implied that we should have done something I would not have participated at all. If he had name the thread "Commemorating D-Day" I would not have entered and that's all. Seriously! I entered because the title itself was already questioning us all for not doing something and I was irritated and wanted to check what exactly we were all supposed to have done. If he had retracted before would not have continued. If you had not answered me now I would not have continued in this thread. Really, the last ones were supposed to be my "goodbye" to the thread. So if you want me to "fuck off" just keep silent instead of continuing answering this posting. Best regards.

DesideriScuri -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/9/2013 3:51:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Here is what he said, "I have waited all day for someone to say... How about a moment of silence for those men who died on this date, 1944." Implying that someone should have said that before him. Something he admitted already. Wrong. Waiting to see if someone was going to do it isn't implying that anyone should have done it, nor does it imply that he expected anyone to do it. quote: quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri If you don't want to join in a moment of silence for those that past in the D-Day actions, don't. But, just back the fuck off and let others do so in their own way. FFS! If he had not implied that we should have done something I would not have participated at all. If he had retracted before would not have continued. If you had not answered me now I would not have continued in this thread. So if you want me to "fuck off" just keep silent instead of continuing answering this posting. Best regards. You can do it. You can just go ahead and stfu. That is, unless you have no control over yourself and have to respond?

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/9/2013 3:54:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster Implying that someone should have said that before him. Something he admitted already. Actually..... No. YOU implied that he thought everyone else should have started something. Nobody else thinks that at all. You say "If he had not implied that we should have done something I would not have participated at all." Who is this "we" that you keep implying?? Sometimes your logic is very skewed and you have a weird way of interpreting things.

SpanishMatMaster -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/9/2013 3:54:30 AM)
(I edited after his answer) quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Wrong. Waiting to see if someone was going to do it isn't implying that anyone should have done it, nor does it imply that he expected anyone to do it. Sorry but I disagree, and his answers after that one confirm my first impression. Why would he possibly wait for something he did not expect to happen? Makes no sense. quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri You can do it. You can just go ahead and stfu. That is, unless you have no control over yourself and have to respond? I have as much control as you, and you can also STFU. But it is you who wants me to stop participating. Now stop answering if you want me to stop answering. That is my decision :) Yours now...? :)

DesideriScuri -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/9/2013 4:02:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster (I edited after his answer) quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Wrong. Waiting to see if someone was going to do it isn't implying that anyone should have done it, nor does it imply that he expected anyone to do it. Sorry but I disagree, and his answers after that one confirm my first impression. Why would he possibly wait for something he did not expect to happen? Makes no sense. Perhaps to see if anyone would? Ta da! Answered. quote: quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri You can do it. You can just go ahead and stfu. That is, unless you have no control over yourself and have to respond? I have as much control as you, and you can also STFU. But it is you who wants me to stop participating. Now stop answering if you want me to stop answering. That is my decision :) Yours now...? :) You are the one with the problem with this thread. You are the one that has taken issue with it. You are the one who is on some ridiculous charge to .. who the fuck knows what. Did jlf chastise anyone for not honoring the day? I am not surprised that you have missed the entire point of this thread, have ruined the intent of this thread and can't help but to respond with further horseshit.

SpanishMatMaster -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/9/2013 4:06:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Perhaps to see if anyone would? Ta da! Answered. If he did not expect it to happen, makes no sense. Ta da. Your interpretation is wrong. And even if it was right, as I said, he admitted already the "should" and I think so anyway even if he hadn't . Is my impression. Everyone has his own impressions. quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri You are the one with the problem with this thread. You are the one that has taken issue with it. You are the one who is on some ridiculous charge to .. who the fuck knows what. Did jlf chastise anyone for not honoring the day? I am not surprised that you have missed the entire point of this thread, have ruined the intent of this thread and can't help but to respond with further horseshit. * I have no problems answering this thread. * I have no ridiculous charges. * No, he did not, is also not the point. * If the purpose of this thread was that he should have used another title. One which mentions the D-Day at all, for example. But his purpose was also to critisize the rest of us. * If you think that I do that why do you continue speaking with me, knowing that I probably will answer? Again - makes no sense. * And I told you want to do if you dislike what I write. STFU, using your words. See you soon...

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/9/2013 4:08:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster Sorry but I disagree, and his answers after that one confirm my first impression. Why would he possibly wait for something he did not expect to happen? Makes no sense. Because dear old chap.... in the US and many other countries, lots of people do remember certain dates and battles and not always just the major events. He was probably a little surprised that no-one on this board hadn't already done so. But, that in itself does not pre-dispose that he expected everyone, or someone, to do it. It is these nuances of the English language that you seem to severely lack any knowledge of as is evidenced by several of your posts. As for your reference to the spanish civil war, that pales into insignificance compared to any major event in either of the World wars. It is of so little world wide importance that for most history being taught it doesn't usually get a mention.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/9/2013 4:14:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Perhaps to see if anyone would? Ta da! Answered. Makes no sense, he used the verb in past form. Ta da. Your interpretation is wrong. See my point?? Have you not heard of IRONY??? Obviously not. Your interpretation of English is waaay to rigid and inflexible and that is why you frequently suffer from "foot-in-mouth" syndrome.

DesideriScuri -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/9/2013 5:32:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster Sorry but I disagree, and his answers after that one confirm my first impression. Why would he possibly wait for something he did not expect to happen? Makes no sense. Because dear old chap.... in the US and many other countries, lots of people do remember certain dates and battles and not always just the major events. He was probably a little surprised that no-one on this board hadn't already done so. But, that in itself does not pre-dispose that he expected everyone, or someone, to do it. It is these nuances of the English language that you seem to severely lack any knowledge of as is evidenced by several of your posts. As for your reference to the spanish civil war, that pales into insignificance compared to any major event in either of the World wars. It is of so little world wide importance that for most history being taught it doesn't usually get a mention. Pretty much spot on.

SpanishMatMaster -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/9/2013 5:36:45 AM)
Hello, freedom, I read you thanks to DesideriScuri quote. I have been accused of misunderstanding English many times. Often later English-speaking people disagree with the one who criticizes me. Therefore, it seems for me just a usual way to try to discredit my arguments. Anyway, even if you were right, there make no more sense to continue with the matter, isn't it? On your opinions about the Spanish civil war or your particular list of "Major Events Of History" which i do not know, they are out of scope and have nothing to do with my points in this thread. And remember - you are hidden by me. You will need somebody to quote if you want that I read what you write. And if this one quotes lacks of respect I will hide him / her as well. No bad feelings, just my right to choose what I read and what not. Best regards and to the next one.

thishereboi -> RE: I have waited all day for someone to say... (6/9/2013 7:29:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster I have nothing against jlf1961 commemorating the battle he chooses as long as he chooses the way he chooses., just do not pretend that the rest of the world should do the same. I can't find where he said the rest of the world should do the same. Proof? K. I couldn't find it either but apparently some folks are all upset because he suggested we remember the fallen. You would have thought he had suggested drowning kittens from the replies he has gotten.

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