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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 8:24:08 PM   
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It puts a civilian in the position of being judge and jury, determining what THEY think is an appropriate sentence and bypassing what existing law says.


OMG civilians? Operating under common law? Ruining the court biz?

Got newz fer ya, there are over 20% pro se cases now days and they are winning and getting into the supreme court so you better get used to it.

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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 8:27:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I read both articles in the OP (basically identical) and SYG is not mentioned in either.

Why are we even debating SYG.

A thief is dead. SYG has nothing to do with it.
The only reason anyone has sympathy for the THIEF is it is a woman in a sexually related incident.

If the situation was reversed and it was a male escort shot by a woman, you ladies wouldn't give a flying fuck.

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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 8:35:16 PM   
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They did not agree, per his lawyers, on what the fee was for sex as opposed to whatever other service she provided.

That's not what you said earlier.

Again.

If a MAN shows up after saying on the phone "I'll take care of your yard" (He didn't say mow and trim)

He has ALL the necessary equipment right there to do that job.

He takes the money and goes to the car and drives off, is he a thief?

You seem hung up on the gender of the person who died. I see her as a thief.
Thief is genderless.
If she wasn't stealing the money, then she shouldn't have left with it.

Tell me if you would consider the MAN in the above vignette a thief.

yes or no


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Gilbert's defense argued that the shooting wasn't meant to kill, and that Gilbert's actions were justified, because he believed that sex was included as part of the fee.

If its only part, what was the rest?



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Words have meaning. Especially among lawyers. "Part of the fee"? What was the rest for?


Yes, that IS what I said before.

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He takes the money and goes to the car and drives off, is he a thief?


Yet the fella said only part of the fee was for sex. Didnt he. What part? How much was he entitled back? What proof does he have that any of it entailed sex? Only his say so? Do all escorts have sex? I know a few who dont. They are simply paid for their time.

How do we know any of the fee was for sex?

You keep insisting she was a theif. Yet you do not even entertain the notion that this guy could have lied. And I think that is based upon the fact that the woman is a prostitute.


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All the time...especially when the victim is dead.

You assume the victim was dead and not on trial.

The THIEF is dead.



And you assume the guy is telling the truth... even though you admit his lawyers lie.



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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 8:43:11 PM   
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Jury acquits escort shooter

A Bexar County jury on Wednesday acquitted Ezekiel Gilbert of murder in the death of a 23-year-old Craigslist escort.

...During closing arguments Tuesday, Gilbert's defense team conceded the shooting did occur but said the intent wasn't to kill. Gilbert's actions were justified, they argued, because he was trying to retrieve stolen property: the $150 he paid Frago. It became theft when she refused to have sex with him or give the money back, they said.

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Jury-acquits-escort-shooter-4581027.php#ixzz2VYdVexCR

I am curious whether HER original agreement with him was actually FOR SEX. I mean, did her Craigslist ad actually advertise sex, or was he just HOPING for sex (as all men think EVERYTHING is about sex) perhaps the deal was just for a "date companion" but not for sex...and when she refused he then SHOT her?
Sounds like he was a complete ASSSSSSSHOLE...in which case she had every right to refuse to allow him to touch her...and perhaps his ASSSSHOLE behavior warranted her keeping the $150 as compensation. For all we know she may have been a finDomme and he might not have understood the whole "Tribute and Worship from a distance" thing.
Who can say...we only have the word of the ASSSHOLE holding the smoking gun to go on.

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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 8:52:03 PM   
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And you assume the guy is telling the truth... even though you admit his lawyers lie.



Do you have any good evidence to the contrary.

I'll ask again.

If the genders of the shooter and thief were reversed, would you give a shit about the dead person or would you be saying "Good Riddance to a thief"?

it's a simple question.

Answer it.

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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 8:54:24 PM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		All I have is based upon his lawyers words. And that you said lawyers lie. I asked... what part of that fee was not for sex.... what other service did she provide?

And no one can answer that... though that was the basis for his defense.

I find that hilarious.

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If the genders of the shooter and thief were reversed, would you give a shit about the dead person or would you be saying "Good Riddance to a thief"?


I would still give a shit. Answered.

So would you.... as your answers have shown.

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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 8:55:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MAINEiacMISTRESS


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Jury acquits escort shooter

A Bexar County jury on Wednesday acquitted Ezekiel Gilbert of murder in the death of a 23-year-old Craigslist escort.

...During closing arguments Tuesday, Gilbert's defense team conceded the shooting did occur but said the intent wasn't to kill. Gilbert's actions were justified, they argued, because he was trying to retrieve stolen property: the $150 he paid Frago. It became theft when she refused to have sex with him or give the money back, they said.

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Jury-acquits-escort-shooter-4581027.php#ixzz2VYdVexCR

I am curious whether HER original agreement with him was actually FOR SEX. I mean, did her Craigslist ad actually advertise sex, or was he just HOPING for sex (as all men think EVERYTHING is about sex) perhaps the deal was just for a "date companion" but not for sex...and when she refused he then SHOT her?
Sounds like he was a complete ASSSSSSSHOLE...in which case she had every right to refuse to allow him to touch her...and perhaps his ASSSSHOLE behavior warranted her keeping the $150 as compensation. For all we know she may have been a finDomme and he might not have understood the whole "Tribute and Worship from a distance" thing.
Who can say...we only have the word of the ASSSHOLE holding the smoking gun to go on.

I won't disagree with your assertion that he was an asshole but my questions are as follows.

Do you think that Craigslist "Escorts" aren't really prostitutes?
If a man showed up to mow your yard after you answered his Craigslist ad to "take care of your yard" and had all the necessary equipment right there and you handed him the money whereupon he got in the truck and left would you consider him a thief?

If it was a male escort who died, no one would give a flying shit.

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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 8:58:33 PM   
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So would you.... as your answers have shown.

Wrong again Miss gorgeous ass.

I'll quote from an earlier post of mine.

"I'm sorry. She was a thief.
If a male thief had died, I'd feel the same
If a black thief had died, I'd feel the same
If an Asian thief had died, I'd feel the same
If a TG thief had died, I'd feel the same
If an Hispanic thief had died, I'd feel the same.
If a Democrat thief had died, I'd feel the same
If a Republican thief had died, I'd feel the same
If a young thief had died, I'd feel the same
If an old thief had died, I'd feel the same.

Are you catching the idea? "


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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 9:04:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		And I dont believe she was a thief based upon the lawyers statement.

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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 9:13:19 PM   
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And I dont believe she was a thief based upon the lawyers statement.

The lawyer didn't claim she was.

I'll lay it out in easy to understand format.
The above post indicates I only care about criminal actions and not gender, preference or ethnicity.

Do you think that 'escorts' on CL are just people who are into spending time with a lonely person and no sex is on anyone's mind at all? yes or no

Do you think that this was the first person that this girl had ripped off? yes or no

Would you say the same thing if a man was the one who died in a similar situation? yes or no

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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 9:15:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dont care about gender here. I see someone (A) who was killed because someone else (B) said that person (A) stole money. I see that B claims something (C) was part of the fee, and that part was not given. And I naturally questioned the validity of that statement. What proof do we have that C was ever part of the agreement?

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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 9:16:51 PM   
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I dont care about gender here. I see someone (A) who was killed because someone else (B) said that person (A) stole money. I see that B claims something (C) was part of the fee, and that part was not given. And I naturally questioned the validity of that statement. What proof do we have that C was ever part of the agreement?

Would you please answer 3 simple yes/no questions?

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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 9:18:39 PM   
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Do you think that 'escorts' on CL are just people who are into spending time with a lonely person and no sex is on anyone's mind at all? yes or no


It was definitely on his. I cannot say about hers. Again, I asked what proof.

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Do you think that this was the first person that this girl had ripped off? yes or no


I think she had no record since one was not offered an evidence that I can find. Was this the first person HE has ripped off?

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Would you say the same thing if a man was the one who died in a similar situation? yes or no


Yes.

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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 9:22:34 PM   
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Do you think that 'escorts' on CL are just people who are into spending time with a lonely person and no sex is on anyone's mind at all? yes or no


It was definitely on his. I cannot say about hers. Again, I asked what proof.

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Do you think that this was the first person that this girl had ripped off? yes or no


I think she had no record since one was not offered an evidence that I can find. Was this the first person HE has ripped off?

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Would you say the same thing if a man was the one who died in a similar situation? yes or no


Yes.

Not bad, you answered 1 of 3 questions. that's better than most can get you to do.

I must be SUPERDOM

As for her record, you know as well as I do that that isn't admissible so it wouldn't be there.

Care to answer the other 2 now?

1. Do you honestly believe that CL 'escorts' aren't selling sex?

2. Do you think this was the first person that she and her accomplice had ripped off?

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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 9:28:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I answered them all. You insisted they be yes or no...lol... you can insist all you like.. it wont happen. As far as her record, of course thats admissible. The only time it wouldnt be are in cases of rape. Clearly, this was not such a case. If she had a record of stealing, its very much admissible.

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1. Do you honestly believe that CL 'escorts' aren't selling sex?


Yes, I believe there are some who do not, just as there are some escort services who do not.

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2. Do you think this was the first person that she and her accomplice had ripped off?


proof otherwise. No proof, no rip off.

Onus is on you.

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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 9:53:14 PM   
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I answered them all. You insisted they be yes or no...lol... you can insist all you like.. it wont happen. As far as her record, of course thats admissible. The only time it wouldnt be are in cases of rape. Clearly, this was not such a case. If she had a record of stealing, its very much admissible.

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1. Do you honestly believe that CL 'escorts' aren't selling sex?


Yes, I believe there are some who do not, just as there are some escort services who do not.

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2. Do you think this was the first person that she and her accomplice had ripped off?


proof otherwise. No proof, no rip off.

Onus is on you.

Still lacking a yes/no answer.

As to your claim that CL escorts aren't selling sex, I sure didn't ever see you as naïve.

I guess I was wrong.

I asked you a question. "Do you think this was the first person that she and her accomplice had ripped off?"

There can be no onus on me if I ask a question.

Only if I make a claim which I didn't in that case.
Dang,My record with yes/no questions with Sanity was 6. am I gonna break it?

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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 10:12:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL You want a "yes or no" then give them to yourself. I dont play by your rules.

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As to your claim that CL escorts aren't selling sex, I sure didn't ever see you as naïve.

I guess I was wrong.


And the minute someone says "all" the exception hits. Again, where is your proof she did?

quote:

I asked you a question. "Do you think this was the first person that she and her accomplice had ripped off?"

There can be no onus on me if I ask a question.


First, you havent proved she ripped anyone off.

Second, you have no record to prove she ever ripped anyone off.

Your question was bias with faulty assumptions from the start.

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Only if I make a claim which I didn't in that case.
Dang,My record with yes/no questions with Sanity was 6. am I gonna break it?


Sanity was a subby boy who liked to be dommed by anyone.

Im not that easy

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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 10:34:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I simply do not believe in killing for money.
Beating the money out of her, another story

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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 10:50:51 PM   
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LOL You want a "yes or no" then give them to yourself. I dont play by your rules.

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As to your claim that CL escorts aren't selling sex, I sure didn't ever see you as naïve.

I guess I was wrong.


And the minute someone says "all" the exception hits. Again, where is your proof she did?

quote:

I asked you a question. "Do you think this was the first person that she and her accomplice had ripped off?"

There can be no onus on me if I ask a question.


First, you havent proved she ripped anyone off.

Second, you have no record to prove she ever ripped anyone off.

Your question was bias with faulty assumptions from the start.

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Only if I make a claim which I didn't in that case.
Dang,My record with yes/no questions with Sanity was 6. am I gonna break it?


Sanity was a subby boy who liked to be dommed by anyone.

Im not that easy



apparently the jury was satisfied she ripped him off!

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RE: A court in TX just exonerated a man who shot and ki... - 6/7/2013 10:52:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pft... a texas jury of his peers... ahem... forgive me if I laugh, ok

This is the same "god fearing country" that brings you dinosaurs 6000 years ago.

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