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Ok, I said it was an SYG TYPE of law. I went on to explain that these are all laws that allow a civilian to use deadly force without deadly force being used on them.

This particular law would allow you to use deadly force and shoot someone dead if they stole a dollar from you after dark.

Yes, I am grouping all the "it's ok to use deadly force" when deadly force is not necessary for defense of your own life as "SYG type laws.

I really can't make it any fucking clearer.

But hey, half the people on this board think it is ok to shoot someone for stealing a dollar, hell for stepping on their lawn. So they will defend to the death the idea that this law is appropriate and not being intentionally misused in this case to provide the technicality to get an acquittal.

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I simply do not agree that 150 is worth someone's life when your own is not in danger.

Got it. We are on exactly the same page then.

Ditto

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I cannot imagine that you really believe that the escort in this case wasn't fully aware that the guy was paying her for sex.

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I also think you're being deliberately disingenuous when you say the above - No doubt, it would be possible to find an escort service that does not include sex in its services, and possible (though for fuck's sake, much much less so) that the same might be true of craigslist escorts, but I know very well that you are neither stupid or naive enough to imagine that a guy hiring a craigslist escort isn't expecting sex.

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And to help anyone who is too stupid to have inferred it - I think it's outrageous to kill anyone over a small amount of money.

But what I think isn't the point.

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Now if this poor girl was simply fantastically stupid, and didn't understand that her client (And for this fantastically improbable scenario to work the chap must have been her first client) was essentially buying sex rather than some pleasant chitter chatter then she should have made it very clear that there had been a misunderstanding and refunded the money.

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Again, if the law allowed that, there never would have been a trial.

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The fact of the matter is that this guy deserves whatever time because he shot somebody, and nothing else. There are stipulations in this country about taking the law into your own hands, etc., so any ruling in favor of his action there is against the law of the land, except that many courts take glee in twisting any law made.

umm, isn't the whole reason for this discussion, the fact that texas DOES allow someone to take the law into their own hands in certain circumstances? it seems like he was acting within the law of the land he was in

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I'm not from usa so I have a question:
prostitution is illegal in texas, for what I could read, so I suppose there are no standard legal contracts for "sexual services providing" and it's not an activity ruled by the law as I suppose it is commerce, so if he went to a judge in a civil court and asked his money back will he had them back? I make a different example in italy if you play poker in a private house, that's forbidden by law, you loose you have no duty to pay if you have not done yet but you can't aske the money back if you have given them before, even if the game was rigged, if someone goes in court because the money lost where more than the fine's ammount a judge would answer that he was doing something not protected by the law so he was doing it "in faith" and now the money are gone. Is there something simillar in the usa?

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Does it means if a drug trade goes wrong 'cos the buyer is not happy by quality of the drug he can legitimate kill the seller that doesn't have a satisfied or refund policy?

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Does it means if a drug trade goes wrong 'cos the buyer is not happy by quality of the drug he can legitimate kill the seller that doesn't have a satisfied or refund policy?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Amazing how you change once you actually.... read the whole thread.

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Amazing how you change once you actually.... read the whole thread.

Really? Seriously? Agenda based discussions are, of course, the norm on P&R but I find them uninteresting. But hey... go team! and all that.

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I have seen only a few trying to make this a feminist issue..and they arent women.

I dunno, Kali seems pretty strong on it. I'm not quite sure where you stand.

In my mind this is not about her refusal to have sex. The only question is whether or not we think shooting someone dead for $150 is a "good" outcome.

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Pft... a texas jury of his peers... ahem... forgive me if I laugh, ok

This is the same "god fearing country" that brings you dinosaurs 6000 years ago.

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And you assume the guy is telling the truth... even though you admit his lawyers lie.

Do you have any good evidence to the contrary.

I'll ask again.

If the genders of the shooter and thief were reversed, would you give a shit about the dead person or would you be saying "Good Riddance to a thief"?

it's a simple question.

Answer it.

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The real problem with this is he was let off because he killed someone for not delivering sex in an illegal transaction, a criminal offense, and I would be willing to bet pretty good money that in drug cases, where a buyer kills the dealer for non deliverance, they won't let the killer off, anyone wanna take that bet?

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And you assume the guy is telling the truth... even though you admit his lawyers lie.

Do you have any good evidence to the contrary.

I'll ask again.

If the genders of the shooter and thief were reversed, would you give a shit about the dead person or would you be saying "Good Riddance to a thief"?

it's a simple question.

Answer it.

What anyone would say is meaningless, we are talking the law here...and the real point is, that this asshole was let out of jail because the court decided that an illegal transaction was a legal one, and therefore, he had the right to kill her to get his money back. If that is the case, then lawyers in drug cases where a client kills the dealer for not delivering the drugs paid for, or whatever, should be let off on the same defense, want to bet it doesn't happen?

The real problem with this is he was let off because he killed someone for not delivering sex in an illegal transaction, a criminal offense, and I would be willing to bet pretty good money that in drug cases, where a buyer kills the dealer for non deliverance, they won't let the killer off, anyone wanna take that bet?

It is also interesting, not only did he get off on the murder charge, they also didn't charge him with soliciting a prostitute, either...talk about double standard.

There is another point here, and it is significant, it is what phillip Howard talked about in "The Death of Common Sense", where we read the law for the words instead of the intent. Laws about protecting property were designed around situations like burglary, person breaking into your business or home to steal what is yours, there intent was not to give the right to use deadly force any time you felt ripped off, which is what happened here. Even forgetting that this was illegal, suppose the douchebag who did this decided that the gas station he got his car serviced at didn't do a good job, and refuses to give him his money back, should he be able to go there with a gun and force him to pay? No, we would require he goes to small claims court. If someone sells you something on ebay and doesn't send it to you, you don't have the right to go and find the person and threaten them with a gun, you are supposed to go through legal channels. This is a financial transaction, and the law clearly says these are different, they are not property theft...and if this kind of thing becomes the norm, the morgues better start preparing, because this could apply to a lot of things, and it won't be pretty.