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BDSM Correlated With Better Mental Health, Says Study - 6/7/2013 3:15:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		People who are into kinky sex may be psychologically healthier than those who are not, says a new study. Researchers found that people who were involved in BDSM -- bondage, discipline, sadism and masochism -- scored better on certain indicators of mental health than those who did not bring kink into the bedroom, reported LiveScience.

The study, which was published in the Journal of Sexual Medicine in May, surveyed 902 people who practice BDSM and 434 people who prefer so-called "vanilla" (non-kinky) sex. Each person filled out questionnaires regarding their personalities, general well-being, sensitivity to rejection and style of attachment in relationships. The participants were not aware of the purpose of the study.

Despite past assumptions that BDSM proclivities might be correlated with previous abuse, rape or mental disorders (research has shown that they're not), this survey found that kinky people actually scored better on many indicators of mental health than those who didn't practice BDSM, reported LiveScience. According to Reuters, BDSM-friendly participants were found to be less neurotic, more open, more aware of and sensitive to rejection, more secure in their relationships and have better overall well-being.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/05/bdsm-better-mental-health-study_n_3390676.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

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RE: BDSM Correlated With Better Mental Health, Says Study - 6/7/2013 3:25:33 PM   
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RE: BDSM Correlated With Better Mental Health, Says Study - 6/7/2013 3:54:25 PM   
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Oh bullshit...response bias

Yes! Judging from some of the messages I get and the accompanying profiles, those study results are a little off kilter.

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RE: BDSM Correlated With Better Mental Health, Says Study - 6/7/2013 4:01:55 PM   
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...surveyed 902 people who practice BDSM and 434 people who prefer so-called "vanilla" (non-kinky) sex.

Thats a pretty damned small sample.
And with more than twice as many into BDSM than 'vanilla', that would certainly skew the results pretty badly.

I'd take that conclusion with a huge ocean of salt IMHO.

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RE: BDSM Correlated With Better Mental Health, Says Study - 6/7/2013 4:05:04 PM   
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RE: BDSM Correlated With Better Mental Health, Says Study - 6/7/2013 6:48:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you have to be careful about this, the sampling is not very good, it fails a lot of things, including the differences in sample size. At best, something like this would give pause for a larger study, after trying to look for obvious bias (like, for example, when doing the survey, could it be that people into BD/SM, knowing the negative image of the community, try and make themselves look better by answering in a way they think will make them appear more 'normal').

I have read studies on this that were all over the map, studies who said more bd/sm people have abuse in their past, others that say they don't, and quite frankly, I think it is one of those things where what the fuck is the point? Either trying to prove that we aren't all bloody nutters or trying to prove we are, people will believe what they believe:).

About the only study I believe is one i read about that said that people into BD/SM tend to be skewed more on the intelligence and creativity side of things then the general population, and I can believe that. In my own experience (which is not a scientific example of anything) in the scene community, I tended to find a lot of people in creative fields, arts, image design and so forth, and a lot of people who seemed interested in a lot of things. Could be that this was in NYC, but comparing the people in the scene to my wider band of (presumably) more vanilla oriented people, it seemed to be true. Plus of course that as serious as people get in this world, into D/s relationships, a lot of it to me always struck me as advanced playing, which is often the sign of intelligence, too....Does it matter? Nope, not really, but still interesting.

As far as the mental health thing, reminds me of the old Arte Johnson character on Laugh In, "Verrrrry Interesting...but shtupid"

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RE: BDSM Correlated With Better Mental Health, Says Study - 6/7/2013 8:07:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		What is hysterical about all this crap is Sydney University. You know all those idiotic warnings you see about not allowing universities to use data from your profile? First off, that idiotic warning is useless legally

HOWEVER

Sydney University didn't do a survey of fet, CM or any US stuff. They did a massive telephone survey of Austrailians and found that kinky people tend to be about average on the fucked up scale if not a tiny bit better. So if anything, we should have notices BEGGING Sydney University to do a survey of us but the kink world is about following the herd and in general being stupid.

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RE: BDSM Correlated With Better Mental Health, Says Study - 6/7/2013 8:45:34 PM   
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RE: BDSM Correlated With Better Mental Health, Says Study - 6/7/2013 10:46:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is all about trying to get BDSM activities removed from the DSM. Not one "link" took you to the actual study which means to me, they know their data is faulty.

Personally, the paraphilias need to remain in the DSM because the mental health community needs to have some kinds of base lines to look at those who are likely to take things to far.

But the study is meaningless.

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RE: BDSM Correlated With Better Mental Health, Says Study - 6/8/2013 10:52:47 AM   
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This is all about trying to get BDSM activities removed from the DSM. Not one "link" took you to the actual study which means to me, they know their data is faulty.

Personally, the paraphilias need to remain in the DSM because the mental health community needs to have some kinds of base lines to look at those who are likely to take things to far.

But the study is meaningless.

The DSM has a lot of things like that in it, and what it generally says is that these 'paraphilias' (a term I think is idiotic, but whatever) are harmless unless they interfere in people's lives, but the same thing can be said about the internet, watching the QVC shopping channel and so forth. The DSM says that fetishes in general are okay, as long as they don't interfere with normal life. The whole point of the DSM is not to label or demonize things, it is supposed to describe things that are broken and need fixing and how to try and fix them *shrug*.

There are arguments about the DSM all the time, there have been raging debates in the trans community about gender identity disorder being in there. Having it in there is the only way to potentially get insurance companies to pay for treatment, whether therapeutic or medical.

The problem with having stuff in there is it gives a lot of idiots a weapon to use to show how a group is 'abnormal' because they are in the DSM. Homosexuality was in the DSM because of cultural and religious bias and with trans people, often the bigots use it to justify bias, and that is the problem that is debated, whether it is better to have it out of there so that it can't be used as a weapon. To this day religious conservatives still claim that homosexuality was removed from the DSM, not because it wasn't mental illness, but for political reasons with all the 'liberal' doctors and psychologists trying to legitimize sin and deviance *sigh*

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RE: BDSM Correlated With Better Mental Health, Says Study - 6/8/2013 12:09:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lauren,

I do understand all that and agree there will always be someone who is going to have some issue with everyone. Also, internet addiction, shopping channel addiction, etc. fall under the addiction category as interfering with normal life.

Here's the thing though, perhaps we need a different book. In order for any mental health professional to do their job, they need to have something describing different things. BDSM is not "ok" for everyone. If fact, there are some people who definitely use it as a crutch, who if they got the help dealing with the internal issues, would potentially not even be interested in it. Now I certainly have no desire to get into a debate with the "BDSM people are more mentally healthy than vanilla folk" mantra, because it isn't true. I also am not saying the reverse is true either.

The books are diagnostic tools, yes, but they are also tools for therapists to learn about things and make a determination of when it goes from being an "ok" behavior to a "not ok" behavior.

In order to figure out that someone who is abusing sexual sadism because they are a sociopath, one needs to understand what acceptable sexual sadism is. Same with most behaviors.

I'm not sure I'm explaining this very well.

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RE: BDSM Correlated With Better Mental Health, Says Study - 6/8/2013 12:23:43 PM   
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Yes! Judging from some of the messages I get and the accompanying profiles, those study results are a little off kilter.

lolol... I think it's probably important to distinguish between "People who are involved in BDSM" and "People who post on BDSM discussion boards".


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RE: BDSM Correlated With Better Mental Health, Says Study - 6/8/2013 1:30:18 PM   
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Yes! Judging from some of the messages I get and the accompanying profiles, those study results are a little off kilter.

lolol... I think it's probably important to distinguish between "People who are involved in BDSM" and "People who post on BDSM discussion boards".


I initially assumed they would be one and the same. Finding out otherwise

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RE: BDSM Correlated With Better Mental Health, Says Study - 6/8/2013 1:33:11 PM   
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I initially assumed they would be one and the same. Finding out otherwise

I've come to the conclusion that they are two entirely separate groups. The shit I read here... well... let's just say that every time I go check some of the more questionable shit with my real life local community they look at me like I'd fallen off the moon. I think the last one was "no touch". one of them even says to me, "Oh lord, you've been reading the internet again."


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RE: BDSM Correlated With Better Mental Health, Says Study - 6/8/2013 1:38:07 PM   
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I initially assumed they would be one and the same. Finding out otherwise

I've come to the conclusion that they are two entirely separate groups. The shit I read here... well... let's just say that every time I go check some of the more questionable shit with my real life local community they look at me like I'd fallen off the moon. I think the last one was "no touch". one of them even says to me, "Oh lord, you've been reading the internet again."


And the shit I read here (and those types of messages I mentioned) is making me extremely wary about venturing out into the real life community. Just yesterday I got a message from someone I wouldn't reply to, who says he frequents the munches in my area. Something of a conundrum for me.

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RE: BDSM Correlated With Better Mental Health, Says Study - 6/8/2013 6:14:31 PM   
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