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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 12:35:25 PM   
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you people lose the point that this was a constitutional issue ,and the that thousands of people were denied their rights by the IRS which is a punishable offense and any damages incurred by such people are treble damages and hiding behind i was doing my job is not a defense! the IRS and those up the ladder who did this will pay dearly , i think its grounds for severe punishment as in treasonous , death penalty should be on the table....








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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 12:42:01 PM   
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Oh ffs... treasonous!

In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more extreme acts against one's sovereign or nation.

Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aiding or involved by such an endeavor.

Federal

To avoid the abuses of the English law (including executions by Henry VIII of those who criticized his repeated marriages), treason was specifically defined in the United States Constitution, the only crime so defined. Article III Section 3 delineates treason as follows:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Therefore the United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381 states "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States." The requirement of testimony of two witnesses was inherited from the British Treason Act 1695.

State

Most states have provisions in their constitutions or statutes similar to those in the U.S. Constitution. The Extradition Clause specifically defines treason as an extraditable offense. There have been only two documented prosecutions for treason on the state level, that of Thomas Dorr for treason against the state of Rhode Island for his part in the Dorr Rebellion, and that of John Brown for treason against the state of Virginia for his part in the raid on Harpers Ferry.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason#United_States

Do you even know what treason is in this country?

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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 12:51:11 PM   
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maybe all the leakers /blowers are "conservative republicans"!!!!!!


(Since Ron isnt going to either)

Hey, who would know better about blowing and leaking?

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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 1:14:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
The ranking Democrat on the committee leading the investigation of the IRS said Sunday that the matter is effectively settled and had some unusually harsh words for committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.).
In a letter to Issa, House oversight committee ranking member Elijah Cummings (D-Md.) expressed disappointment with the chairman’s handling of the issue, suggesting he had made unsubstantiated allegations and had selectively distributed information that back up his claims, while not releasing other findings.
“Your actions over the past three years do not reflect a responsible, bipartisan approach to investigations, and the Committee’s credibility has been damaged as a result,” Cummings wrote.
Cummings then detailed an unreleased interview last week with an anonymous IRS manager who labeled himself a “conservative Republican.” The manager essentially said it was he who started the targeting of the groups and — contrary to GOP allegations — said that the White House wasn’t involved and that it wasn’t politically motivated.
“I think this interview and these statements go a long way … showing that the White House was not involved in this,” Cummings said on CNN’s “State of the Union,” adding: “Based upon everything I’ve seen the case is solved. And if it were me, I would wrap this case up and move on, to be frank with you.”
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Cummings’s decision to release a transcript of House Oversight and Government Reform Committee investigators’ interview with the IRS manager highlights Democrats’ growing frustration with Issa’s handling of the matter. Issa has repeatedly declined media requests to release the full transcripts of the interviews his aides conducted, instead disclosing selected excerpts.
Last week, several media outlets reported that front-line IRS employees told congressional investigators that they were simply following orders from Washington in the agency’s targeting campaign against groups with names such as “tea party.”
Cummings is now fighting back by releasing his excerpts of the interviews and calling for full disclosure.

Think we will get that full disclosure?
quote:

Issa responded to Cummings’ allegations and his comment Sunday on CNN’s “State of Union” that the IRS case is “solved” and that he would “wrap this case up” and move on.
"I strongly disagree with … Cummings' assertion that we know everything we need to know,” Issa said in a statement. “His extreme and reckless assertions are a signal that his true motivation is stopping needed congressional oversight and he has no genuine interest in working, on a bipartisan basis, to expose the full truth.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/09/cumming-issa-squashing-info-on-irs-probe-approach-is-accuse-then-prove/#ixzz2VpFJDBIc


So, the IRS scandal is closed?!? Simply because the White House wasn't involved?!? Fuck that. That's bullshit. Recall that I haven't ever thought Obama was involved and that I have been saying all along that I didn't think it had anything to do with anyone outside the IRS. What happened was quite wrong, regardless of whether Obama was involved or not.

The scandal isn't closed, or at least it shouldn't it.


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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 1:15:35 PM   
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You did happen to notice the question mark at the end of that, yes?

Come on, DS. You can do better than this.

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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 1:22:22 PM   
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You did happen to notice the question mark at the end of that, yes?
ome on, DS. You can do better than this.


According to the Democrat, it's over.

And, that would be complete political bullshit if it is over. I never made any claim that you said it was over. So, perhaps it's you that can do better than this. no?

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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 1:23:59 PM   
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Yes, according to Cummings, its over. According to Issa its not. Since we werent in on this meetings, we need to wait and see what is released. Cummings said he would fork over the interviews if Issa does not. Should be interesting to see the outcome. No?

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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 1:32:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Yes, according to Cummings, its over. According to Issa its not. Since we werent in on this meetings, we need to wait and see what is released. Cummings said he would fork over the interviews if Issa does not. Should be interesting to see the outcome. No?


Cummings made the claim that now that the White House has been proven to not have been involved, the case is closed.

If Issa is still on this simply to "get" Obama, then he's barking up the wrong tree.

The bottom has not been gotten to yet. If this simply goes by the wayside because Obama isn't involved, then it will be damning proof that the Democrats and Republicans aren't out for the Country's best interests.


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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 1:38:24 PM   
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If this is true, I'll have to draft a sympathy card for theheretic.

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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 1:38:58 PM   
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Where do you think the line stops? We have at least one accounting that the decision was made by two men in the Ohio office. That they made the decision. Wouldnt that settle it? I mean, do we keep wasting time and money digging deeper into what seems like a confession?

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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 1:40:07 PM   
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If this is true, I'll have to draft a sympathy card for theheretic.


Dont write it yet. We havent seen the actual transcripts. But, we dont have Issa on record as denying Cumming's accounts of this interview either.


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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 1:54:46 PM   
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You guys seem to "forget" the IRS ADMITTED they singled out conservative groups. If a republican agent says he forwarded conservatives applications to have "extra questions," etc, that doesn't mean its not political. I means the Republican agent has a good job and doesn't want to lose it! So he does what he is told!

Actually the self identified conservative republican IRS agent said he initiated the extra scrutiny without any instructions or prodding from above.


If an IRS agent said HE was soley responsible for the extra bullshit given to ONLY conservative groups, why are all the IRS bigshots taking the 5th?

Because they all have lawyers and Boehner said he intends to send someone to jail.

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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 1:56:24 PM   
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you people lose the point that this was a constitutional issue ,and the that thousands of people were denied their rights by the IRS which is a punishable offense and any damages incurred by such people are treble damages and hiding behind i was doing my job is not a defense! the IRS and those up the ladder who did this will pay dearly , i think its grounds for severe punishment as in treasonous , death penalty should be on the table....

Precisely what is the constitutional issue? Exactly what right was denied thousands of people by the IRS?

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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 2:41:06 PM   
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That seems the most likely explanation.

quote:

Hi, our group is the *'Concerned White Citizens of Maricopa County for the Re-Election Of Sheriff Joe-Pa'*, and we want us some of that good 501 gummint grant money to go along with this check we got here from those nice Koch Brothers. What do we have to do?
IRS: Fill out this form, and we'll review it.

3 weeks later:

IRS: Well, you might want to change the name of your group, and we don't really want a listing of all of your guns and ammunition. Submit a revised application


Rinse and repeat until you get your 501 status as 'Let's All learn About Voting'....


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

You guys seem to "forget" the IRS ADMITTED they singled out conservative groups. If a republican agent says he forwarded conservatives applications to have "extra questions," etc, that doesn't mean its not political. I means the Republican agent has a good job and doesn't want to lose it! So he does what he is told!

While you are up for some short term nostalgia, let's remember these were political groups who probably should not have qualified as 501c4 social betterment groups.

Let's also remember NONE of their applications were ever REJECTED.

Issa is a prime example of a congressman who would rather investigate than legislate. The old Joe McCarthy strategy to gain fame and power.



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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 2:42:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Leadership525

you people lose the point that this was a constitutional issue ,and the that thousands of people were denied their rights by the IRS which is a punishable offense and any damages incurred by such people are treble damages and hiding behind i was doing my job is not a defense! the IRS and those up the ladder who did this will pay dearly , i think its grounds for severe punishment as in treasonous , death penalty should be on the table....








rs



Ummmm...no one was denied anything ...


This dying on the cross act is getting tiresome.


Ever heard of ACCORN?

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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 2:44:58 PM   
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What constitutional issue?


Denied what rights?


Treble death penalty?


Aid and comfort to what enemy?


quote:

ORIGINAL: Leadership525

you people lose the point that this was a constitutional issue ,and the that thousands of people were denied their rights by the IRS which is a punishable offense and any damages incurred by such people are treble damages and hiding behind i was doing my job is not a defense! the IRS and those up the ladder who did this will pay dearly , i think its grounds for severe punishment as in treasonous , death penalty should be on the table....








rs



< Message edited by Powergamz1 -- 6/10/2013 2:45:23 PM >


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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 3:37:56 PM   
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Cummings then detailed an unreleased interview last week with an anonymous IRS manager who labeled himself a “conservative Republican.




Doesn't pass the smell test, yet.


ANYTHING is possible....





General reply:

Toward the end of the goepee`s Clinton/impeachment/bin-laden enabling episode, as the President Clinton`s numbers would go up with yet another fake scandal......there were republicans who were theorizing that Clinton, knowing this. was committing outrages just to boost his poll numbers.

As ridiculous and pathetic as that sounds.....

When a bunch of republican politicians came out a few years back, there were fundies and cons theorizing that the "radical gay agenda" ...they`d been screaming about, had "planted" gay men in the goepee with the propose of destroying the party from within....

As ridiculous and pathetic as that sounds.....

Pretty soon I`m afraid, we`ll be hearing lunatic conspericy theories that issa in a democratic plant, put there to screw the party.

ANYTHING is possible......


Examples:

Benghazi....leaking the location of secrete CIA assets in Benghazi....the doctoring emails and submitting them as evidence.

Fast & Furious.....how many millions of dollars did he spend just going after the AG?......All a waste and not much oversight.....HIS JOB!

And now, misleading the public about the IRS scandal by focusing it solely on the White House... to inept and incompetent to even make that happen and again, without much real oversight and no real reform.

What is j-boner going to do with his boner?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu53Kq5BF7Q

Major blue balls for jonnie.



< Message edited by Owner59 -- 6/10/2013 3:47:09 PM >


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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 5:31:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

maybe all the leakers /blowers are "conservative republicans"!!!!!!


(Since Ron isnt going to either)

Hey, who would know better about blowing and leaking?

LMFAO I had to go out and missed this earlier,so Im reading your above message then this one, n nearly blew out my septum. Now its leaking...damn you woman

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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 5:33:52 PM   
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Whew! Thought we were losing that connection woman!

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RE: IRS scandal "closed"? - 6/10/2013 5:35:50 PM   
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NEVER!!!!!!!!
heeeeee
Ron is slacking btw!!!!

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