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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 6/18/2013 4:28:21 PM   
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Regarding pain management, are you familiar with Jon Kabat-Zinn's work?

Jon Kabat-Zinn is Professor of Medicine Emeritus and founding director of the Stress Reduction Clinic and the Center for Mindfulness in Medicine, Health Care, and Society at the University of Massachusetts Medical School. Kabat-Zinn was a student of Zen Master Seung Sahn and a founding member of Cambridge Zen Center. His practice of yoga and studies with Buddhist teachers led him to integrate their teachings with those of Western science. He teaches mindfulness meditation as a technique to help people cope with stress, anxiety, pain and illness. A stress reduction program created by Kabat-Zinn is offered at medical centers, hospitals, and health maintenance organizations.

You might be able to get Full Catastrophe Living: Using the Wisdom of Your Body and Mind to Face Stress, Pain, and Illness at your library.

My Mom attended one of his workshops and got a cassette of his that has guided mediation on one side and gentle yoga on another. As a yoga teacher, I am comfortable endorsing his yoga for all levels of experience but cannot find that exact product on Amazon. This is probably quite similar: Guided Mindfulness Meditation Series 1. I noticed a lot of complaints that this was a companion to "Full Catastrophe Living" so do suggest both if you are going to try this approach. (Check your library first.)


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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 6/18/2013 4:32:41 PM   
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I’m a bit cautious about anti-depressants because my experience with medications so far is that many can cause you to become dependent on them and I’d like to avoid that until I truly can’t go without.


I've been taking Wellbutrin off and on since 1999. These days, I only need it in the winter, so start tapering off when spring comes and I am outdoors more.

I have no problems coming off it but YMMV and you should of course consult your doctor. It's a little speedy, which is good for me, and I have no sexual side effects from it, unlike Zoloft or Paxil, which left me unable to orgasm. /shudder/

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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 6/18/2013 6:19:51 PM   
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OP, everyone has given you good advice and I don't have much advice but I do have empathy.

You mention your shortcomings and feel self conscious about them. What if you felt confident about yourself, have been told you were attractive your entire life and still could not meet the right person? That is also sad. I am in that boat.

I do empathize with your health issues, I went through a huge crisis in 2009 and recently. Pain has a way of making everything look dark and depressing.

People who care about me (the genuine ones) just say you have to move forward because backwards in not an option.

Trying to be positive is a day by day thing; I wish you well!

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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 6/18/2013 8:26:33 PM   
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First, there is a regular poster with this in her sig-line:

http://www.butyoudontlooksick.com/navigation/BYDLS-TheSpoonTheory.pdf

I find it to be insightful.

Cymbalta, which is a type of anti-depressant can work very well for some types of nerve pain.

Depression is not a weakness.
It is a medical illness.
One can not really become dependent upon antidepressants.
Some people do have to discontinue them slowly and carefully but a qualified physician should be able to advise you when that time comes.




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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 6/19/2013 4:21:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
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I haven't heard about that but thanks for the info. Might check it out

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Wow that is certainly insightful. I think that is the most concise and easy to understand explanation of what it's like to live with chronic illness that a healthy person could ever get. Can certainly relate to what that woman had to say, thank you for posting that. I might consider having my family read it as I feel like I've never really been able to express myself in a way that can really get through to them.


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Thanks for posting. Sorry to hear about your own problems, that actually does sound pretty tough to deal with. Good luck and hang in there!


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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 6/30/2013 10:22:42 AM   
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Give up the unrealistic hope and stick to fantasies. You can buy a lottery ticket for a dollar. That buys you some dreams of being rich. You won't win the lottery. Someone else will. You'll dream of winning. Looking online for anything is the same way. You can read stories, look at profiles, watch videos, write to express your feelings and dreams. It doesn't lead to a dream coming true. Do it for what it is and forget about getting what you want. Give up and go from there.

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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 6/30/2013 6:05:22 PM   
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That is terrible! Everyone deserves to be happy. I hope you keep holding out for your fantasies

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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 6/30/2013 6:14:13 PM   
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The OP hasn't been back, but from what I saw of him... if he wasn't so young, I would snap that young man up! He will get there. I am sure of it. He was a sweet surprise, just having a rough day of it. He was really encouraged by this thread and the kindness and information he found here. So I hope he will be back.

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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 6/30/2013 8:56:14 PM   
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Truthfully if I was 19 or 20 and in college I would have gone to a psychiatrist to help me and half the time, or more, I feel like being a submissive male is a disease. I knew I was submissive when I was a teenager and it affected most of my life in a negative way, for a long time I didn't date because I was only looking for dominant women and I live in a situation where it would not be accepted. Therefore I have been in the closet most of my life and unhappy.

I did eventually start to date vanilla women but like the (OP) poster it was not easy for me and I guess they don't see me as all that attractive. I had some other ups and downs over the years and never found a partner.

If I could have changed anything I think my advice is to go to get help for yourself now. Depending on your situation you might be able to change your circumstances to where you can do things that make it easier to meet potential mates or you may be able to move to a different place where it might be easier or find someone else who is compatible and can accept that facet of you.

I had a Doctor who laughed when I told him what I was looking for and then I didn't ever discuss it with him again.

I think most of the advice you get on these boards is BS. The likelihood of meeting a dominant woman on the internet is low. If you are able to go to events in person that will increase your chances but without knowing more of your situation its hard to tell. I also don't think that there are things that will make you unattractive to everyone. A lot of things in combination will, even during my "ups" when everything was going for me it was extremely hard to meet dominant women. Being "a bit" overweight I don't think is something that will cause all women to disregard you.

Just because they don't answer back I wouldn't take that as a sign of anything. For all the complaints women talk about getting messages from submissives they just rarely reply unless they are very interested in a profile or you know them some other way or through a friend of theirs. I have seen the same profiles on this site for years with the same women saying they can't find a "real" submissive. Some of the profiles make them appear to be average or attractive so I can't figure it out unless it is extreme selectiveness on their part or some other factor I don't know about.

One of the good things is that there do seem to be more young dominant women than 25 years ago. One of the other things is that at your age and for the next 15 years the single women are going to be interested in someone they can have children and a family with and BDSM isn't going to be their highest priority.

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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 7/1/2013 8:01:16 AM   
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I have to disagree that being a submissive male is a "disease". I've been a male submissive my whole life and I am very comfortable in my own skin. When I was in my younger 20's, I went to go see a Therapist exactly for the reason's you mentioned here. I was more miserable then because I was trying to deny to myself who I really am. You say you've been in the closest most of your life and have been unhappy. I feel my submission has been an asset for me and has improved my quality of life.


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Truthfully if I was 19 or 20 and in college I would have gone to a psychiatrist to help me and half the time, or more, I feel like being a submissive male is a disease. I knew I was submissive when I was a teenager and it affected most of my life in a negative way, for a long time I didn't date because I was only looking for dominant women and I live in a situation where it would not be accepted. Therefore I have been in the closet most of my life and unhappy.






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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 7/1/2013 5:04:54 PM   
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I will say this, as a male submissive, I've actually been very lucky. I do not have the looks or the money of a Brad Pitt but I have managed to do fairly well considering. I constantly read all these "poor me" stories from male subs here on the internet and it makes me realize my situation hasn't been that bad at all.

I've been in many Female Domination videos before as the "video sub". I personally don't care what people think about me being in videos because doing videos has given me a very unique chance to explore my submission in a productive manner. I do the videos because sure, its a lot cheaper than paying for a session. If anything, I have actually been paid to be in the majority of films I've been and with some very attractive Women and I see no reason in stopping. At least until I am collared by a Domme and she tells me different. I am glad I have had the chance to "play" a lot and get a lot of that out of my system.

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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 7/28/2013 5:52:31 PM   
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@op here's my story for you... it may not fit your situation but it fits the question.

When i got into the lifestyle in 1999 i had no delusions that i would find what i was seeking but i did have one thing. Hope. Hope that i would find someone to love me for me, to treat me with respect, honor and integrity. And i found that. But it took time.

Sadly after 9 years of serving Her (8 of those as Her live in) i had to walk away due to issues that happened. It was painful... i was shattered. i ran 3000 miles away and got married thinking it would make me feel better and would take away the pain. But still i ached. Deeply. i even for a while thought of giving up on the lifestyle because i just couldn't seem to trust anyone. Everyone in my eyes after my split was suspect.

It's 2013 (woohoo) i have marched in 3 montreal pride parades (pride parades in montreal are not limited to just gay pride... but pride of all kinds), i'm going to munches again, i have a few play partners that take me on that lovely journey into subspace, i am sharing my experiences as a long time slave and i am back doing what it was i love so very much. But it took me 4 long years of pain, abger, tears and doubt to get back. my wife supports me 100% even though she has no inclination for the lifestyle and was a catalyst for me going back. And for that i am ultimately grateful. i am very faithful to my wife and as such she knows that i would never do anything lifestyle based without her knowledge. If i can stay with it you can too. Just takes will, determination and believing that you can do it.

you are never alone in your journey. Whether or not you believe it you do have the support you need. All you need do is reach out Good luck and if you need support message me and i'm there for you

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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 7/29/2013 7:28:32 PM   
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So what I'm wondering is how people keep going? Specifically the ones who have it hard for whatever reason? Does anyone ever feel like just throwing in the towel and forgetting about the lifestyle?


You've gotten some really solid, good advice here from a variety of points of view. That too says something about not giving up.

For me it wasn’t physical difficulties (as much anyway) as it was financial. Who could possibly want a publicly shy Dom that doesn’t have his own car or that lives in a tiny studio? Being poor is a stigma I’ve lived with most of my life (though thankfully I am finally starting to get ahead). The point is that I did ‘walk away’ from it, feeling it was hopeless, for years. But, as this is really who I am, I couldn’t stay away forever. I even met a wonderful woman on this site who showed me that all that stuff I thought mattered too much didn’t really matter at all to the right person. I realized that, if this lifestyle is really a part of who you are, walking away for too long only leads to more self-recrimination and loss of self-confidence.

Be patient with yourself, persevere, and trust that somewhere out there is someone (likely many someones!) whose needs and desires perfectly complement your own and will think you’re ‘the cat’s pajamas!’ And if you really really need to ‘walk away’ to take a breath, then take a breath. THEN COME BACK!

In the meantime, study your craft, hone your skills, and work to make yourself the best you can be for your future partner/playmate/what-have-you.

Anyway, that my 2 cents. ;-)

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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 7/31/2013 2:13:01 AM   
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I suffer from chronic fatigue syndrome. Many days, wake up tired, stay tired, exhausted by noon, feel like I will collapse without a nap tired. A series of tests show nothing! Ive tried herbs, vitamins, b12, diet changes but still it remains. Occasionally I have a good day without the extreme fatigue. I was giving into it pretty often, feeling sorry for myself, and would take a 3 hour nap 4 to 5 times a week, get behind on my work, then feel more awful. IT depressed me when I didn't get my work done, then I was more tired!
One day I am hoping I will find the right combo to alleviate the condition but until then I am not giving into it anymore. I take an hour off that nap and say now your gonna do the work for that one hour, its just one hour, you can do it. Those 3 to 4 days I was napping 3 hours a day I cut to two, with the four to five more additional hours of pushing thru, the work is not near as overwhelming, I am not depressed by not getting things done, so Im less tired!
Push through the pain, don't concentrate on what you don't have, concentrate on what you do have, and if you can give to someone else, even when it feels like your lacking yourself. Its amazing how much that helps. Even when you dont feel like it do it, its very hard to do when you are the one wanting, but instead you give. It truly is life changing. What you look for may possibly just appear without you even looking.


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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 7/31/2013 10:03:55 AM   
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Some really great heart warming posts here. I don't know if I've ever wanted to walk away from bdsm as such , it's been such a big personal part of me (most of my conscious life). Fantasising about D/s, self taught self bondage and such has, in my own way, helped me through some terrible moments in my life (like loosing my parents when I was a kid). It has give me a nicer things to think about.

But the freeing up from wanting something you can't have is sometimes necessary and I know where you're coming from. At this moment in time, I still feel I have little or no chance in meeting the right woman for me but if I don't look, or make myself available, then I definitely wont meet anyone. About 8 years ago, I actually gave up on the idea of meeting any women, vanilla or kinky. Really in my heart gave the idea up, so much that in the end I was re-setting my brain for a single life, changing goals and priorities and making preparations for going it alone. It was actually a nice period of my life as it gave me respite from years of wanting to meet someone (I suffered from acute shyness, acute lack of confidence, depression & anxiety which was a 100ft concrete wall to my progress in life). I was just starting to get accustomed with it when I met a lovely girl, of which we had over 2 great years together (still friends now)! It was like spending 10 years trying to find something in your house and when you finally just don't care about it anymore, you find it !! Has anyone else has also found this phenomenon in their lives?


So maybe even giving up sometimes doesn't alter your chances of finding someone :-)



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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 7/31/2013 11:11:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

First, there is a regular poster with this in her sig-line:

http://www.butyoudontlooksick.com/navigation/BYDLS-TheSpoonTheory.pdf

I find it to be insightful.


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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 7/31/2013 12:16:04 PM   
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Give up the unrealistic hope and stick to fantasies. You can buy a lottery ticket for a dollar. That buys you some dreams of being rich. You won't win the lottery. Someone else will. You'll dream of winning. Looking online for anything is the same way. You can read stories, look at profiles, watch videos, write to express your feelings and dreams. It doesn't lead to a dream coming true. Do it for what it is and forget about getting what you want. Give up and go from there.


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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 7/31/2013 1:38:31 PM   
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I'm late to the party as usual, but I want to share my story with you, Dreamer.

Several years ago I was on top of my game. 3 jobs, 2 partners, and a 49-year old body that seemed to defy the aging process. I lived to contra dance, swim, hike, kayak, ride my motorcycle and did something active-sometimes several things-every single day. I literally defined myself by my ability to actively move.

Then a series of mysterious and extremely debilitating health problems began and the medical community mismanaged it from day one. I underwent unnecessary surgeries and procedures and survived minute to minute in acute pain. I couldn't walk, let alone dance or do any other of my usual activities. I had to retire. On top of that, I lost several significant family members in a short period and thought I would be buried by grief. I thought about giving up completely, but my two cats needed their mom so I would use whatever iota of energy afforded me that day to feed and care for them. I alienated my long-term partners because I was their dominant and didn't want them to see me in this diminished condition. Fortunately, they knew me better than I knew myself and helped as they could while still keeping a respectful distance.

The best advice I got was from a hospice counselor, who told me when cataclysmic upheavals occur and life as we know it gets thrown up in the air, let go the idea that everything will fall back into place as it was. It was time for a redefinition, and reinvention using what is now, not what was then.

Slowly, I learned to use what I had available. Instead of dancing and hiking, I started restorative yoga classes that fit my new 'abilities'. I found all kinds of relief and healing through this: physical, emotional, even spiritual. I learned chronic pain and stress deplete your adrenal glands, and took steps to bring them into balance. When I resisted the use of an antidepressant, the pharmacist explained how they work using this metaphor: 3 folks work together running a business. When two of them are constantly out sick, the last person standing has to do everything for all three, guaranteeing failure. The medicine chemically puts back the other two folks. So I allowed a half-dose of an SSRI and by the end of the first week I began to feel hopeful and make progress.

I too was prescribed opioids for pain, and I loved them. They didn't make me high or euphoric, but they made me feel more energetic and able to reclaim my life little by little. I was loathe to give them up when gradually things improved, but the combination of the lifestyle changes, antidepressant, LETTING GO OF THE OLD WAYS and rediscovering myself were working and I was moving forward. I won't lie and say getting off them was a picnic, but my old determination was firing up again and I tapered off in 10 days. I missed the energy they gave me, and the comfort of taking a pill every time I felt I couldn't function without them. I doubled the restorative/detox yoga efforts to help deal with the process, and it took a full 2 months completely without them to feel I was really starting to get back to the person I knew and loved. But I did it, and completely on my own. When I next saw my doctor and he pulled out the prescription pad, I told him I hadn't had any in 3 months, didn't need or want it any more, and fired him as my 'pain management guy' because I had learned to provide my own relief. After a near-fatal bleed-out from long-term nsaid use, I even had to stop those so now there is absolutely nothing on board for pain. I still hurt every day of the week, but it is manageable through rest, heat, yoga, and meditation.

I think the most important lesson I learned from those challenging years was to stop living in the past and not to devote too much worry to the future. Now, the first question I ask on awakening is: what can I do today? Hmmm, I can do a short, flat walk. I can meditate. I can listen to an audiobook while I lie on a heating pad with my legs elevated and my furry, purry kitty on my tummy. That's it for today, and all those things sound damn good. It's going to be a great day!

So...my advice is (with your medic's approval of course): Don't let go of the opiates just yet, but look into a mild antidepressant and give it time to do its work. It might take a few tries on different stuff 'til you find what fits you best. You may not need full 'therapeutic' doses so work with your doc to titrate until you get relief while minimizing side effects. Have your adrenal function checked; with everything you are going through my guess is you are in depletion. Exercise to the best of your ability without strain. Learn to meditate. Yoga comes in many forms; there is something right for everyone even if all you can do is sit in a chair or lie on the floor. Yoga will also teach you meditation, and bring you back into balance. It brought me from a broken hulk lurching across the living room with a cane in each hand back to someone I feel happy to be. I returned to most of my activities; perhaps not at the same intensity but I no longer feel driven or dependent on my ability to cover ground for happiness.

Once you are more centered and back in balance, you may feel confident enough that you can let the opiates go. There's no need to do an expedited taper-down as I did (I was just determined and had a point to prove), and your doctor can help you with that so it isn't too horrendous.

Of course you want to love and be loved. Of course you want to serve. As you've discovered, what's going on in your body doesn't change that desire and there's no reason you should be deprived. But loving starts with yourself and your outlook. Take care of yourself first, then the rest will fall into place.

Feel free to pm on the other side if I can be of further assistance. I've been there, and what helped most was hearing from someone who made it through to the other side where the joy returned. I wish you joy!

PS: You can do yoga classes at home, using online yoga sites. They are a godsend and inexpensive or free. Three to check out are:
yogaglo.com
myyogaonline.com
doyogawithme.com

They all have a search box to match classes which focus on whatever issue you would like to address, at whatever level you are capable.

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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 7/31/2013 1:47:23 PM   
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Give up the unrealistic hope and stick to fantasies. You can buy a lottery ticket for a dollar. That buys you some dreams of being rich. You won't win the lottery. Someone else will. You'll dream of winning. Looking online for anything is the same way. You can read stories, look at profiles, watch videos, write to express your feelings and dreams. It doesn't lead to a dream coming true. Do it for what it is and forget about getting what you want. Give up and go from there.

WTF?
This is insane. Using that logic, why bother getting out of bed in the AM.
Actualize son, actualize.
IJMHO and all, but I've always found that people who really want something-yeah-they do what it takes to make that thing happen.
Could mean going to a munch, changing some things about self, getting out of the old comfort zone.
So what. That's what life is. Growing, taking risks, rolling the dice and undergoing new experiences, lessons, cripes,hopefully, sluts. :-)

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RE: Anyone else feel like giving up sometimes? - 7/31/2013 2:07:49 PM   
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To be clear though when I try to connect with people I don't talk like this. I try to be respectful, considerate and fun. I am honest about my condition but I try to stay positive and don't talk about it much. Basically what I'm saying is I'm not totally clueless on how to socialize, this is just me at my worst.


Here is the workable substance of your OP. It tells me you can be salvaged easily. The rest is a pity party you and I did not need to attend.

Men move forward by setting goals. So set goals. To gain confidence you work on your weaknesses by setting goals. If you are overweight and it drags you down set the goal of being slim and fit, join a gym and get slim and sexy and working out gains you confidence. Confidence makes the man along with clothes. Change your wardrobe once you are fit and really change it so you feel great and your clothes give you the look that says YOU and makes you want to set out and join the world and attract the person who likes what she/he sees. When in doubt, AskMen magazine will give you tips on working out and diet and how to approach others and very important, clothes.

There, nothing impossible here. Nothing having to do with kink or being a submissive. Just standard basic guy stuff you buried while going to the pity party and you nail the basics before learning to hunt with confidence. Let us know how it goes soon.

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