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ORIGINAL: SomeMutt

There is a similar issue with the Endangered Species Act in the US. Since the presence of an endangered animal or plant on your property can limit or prohibit your use of the property, the non-corp property owner (I'll get to corps in a sec) eliminates the endangered species.

Corps get around this by the tried and tested method of throwing money at the problem via lawyers. Have your own legal department and the problem goes away. Be a private landowner or farmer and you're kinda screwed.

Oh, and the compensation from the Feds for the loss of your land?

$0.00

I'd rather find the $5,000 skeleton...

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

It's good to know that stupidity in government isn't only in the US.

What do you find stupid about it?

The fact that the policy is very shortsighted.

Once word of this gets out, how many landowners do you think will report skeletons they find on their property?
The policy is that if human remains are found, the landowner must pay for an archaeological examination of the entire property.
Put yourself in the place of a farmer that has a couple of hundred acres. Your plow turns up part of a pelvis.

Do you:

A. Report it to the authorities with full realization that doing so may end up bankrupting you because of the expenses required along with your inability to plant crops and putting your wife and kids on the street.

or

B. Look around to make sure no one is looking as you kick dirt over it and make a note not to plow that particular tenth of an acre in the future.

I'm guessing most landowners will choose B.
The result of that will be a loss of a nation's cultural heritage because of unreported aboriginal remains as well as no closure for the families of missing persons who would otherwise be found and identified.

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If on the other hand it is a relec of anthropological or archialogical value then it would seem that farmer brown can virtually "write his own ticket"
I have first hand knowledge of one such dig outside of barstow ca. where the owner reaped some meaningful tax advantage out of some "useless desert".
I find the opportunity for entrepenuership and free enterprise to be manifest in such a situation

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A friend of mine has his very profitable marina on some lakefront land he traded 100 acres of minimally useful mountain top to the USFS for.

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As for farmer Brown "Writing his own ticket" maybe you should actually read the article. The landowner is out $5000 and that's just to have a back yard looked at. A farmer with hundreds of acres could be out 6 or 7 figures easily. Would you care to risk that?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


Would I risk a million to make a hundred million...hmmmm[8|]

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


I should think that there are more than just those two choices.
If it is a murder victim of relatively recent vintage then it is is a push and he has no real costs except the lack of use of that protion of his property for the duration of the criminal investigation.
If on the other hand it is a relec of anthropological or archialogical value then it would seem that farmer brown can virtually "write his own ticket"
I have first hand knowledge of one such dig outside of barstow ca. where the owner reaped some meaningful tax advantage out of some "useless desert".
I find the opportunity for entrepenuership and free enterprise to be manifest in such a situation

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The topic is about a law in Canada, not California. Buy a map.

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Obviously I am not the only one who needs a map
A friend of mine has his very profitable marina on some lakefront land he traded 100 acres of minimally useful mountain top to the USFS for.

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As for your other point, a typical person cannot tell the difference between a dry bone that belongs to a murder victim from last year and an aboriginal bone from the last millennium.

That would be a good reason for their being archeologist and anthropologists would'nt one think?

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As for farmer Brown "Writing his own ticket" maybe you should actually read the article.

This discussion is not about me.

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The landowner is out $5000 and that's just to have a back yard looked at. A farmer with hundreds of acres could be out 6 or 7 figures easily.

Any validation for this moronic shit?

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Would you care to risk that?

The larger question might be "would a bank risk a million to make a hundred million? If the business plan is sound the money is always available.

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As for entrepreneurship, the government and whatever native group was involved would sue you out of your pubes.

More likely a question of who has the better lawyer will posses the majority of the pubes.

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Your logic fails miserably.

Not so far and I have another birthday comming up...69 and still fine[;)]

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


I should think that there are more than just those two choices.
If it is a murder victim of relatively recent vintage then it is is a push and he has no real costs except the lack of use of that protion of his property for the duration of the criminal investigation.
If on the other hand it is a relec of anthropological or archialogical value then it would seem that farmer brown can virtually "write his own ticket"
I have first hand knowledge of one such dig outside of barstow ca. where the owner reaped some meaningful tax advantage out of some "useless desert".
I find the opportunity for entrepenuership and free enterprise to be manifest in such a situation

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The topic is about a law in Canada, not California. Buy a map.

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Obviously I am not the only one who needs a map
A friend of mine has his very profitable marina on some lakefront land he traded 100 acres of minimally useful mountain top to the USFS for.

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As for your other point, a typical person cannot tell the difference between a dry bone that belongs to a murder victim from last year and an aboriginal bone from the last millennium.

That would be a good reason for their being archeologist and anthropologists would'nt one think?

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As for farmer Brown "Writing his own ticket" maybe you should actually read the article.

This discussion is not about me.

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The landowner is out $5000 and that's just to have a back yard looked at. A farmer with hundreds of acres could be out 6 or 7 figures easily.

Any validation for this moronic shit?

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Would you care to risk that?

The larger question might be "would a bank risk a million to make a hundred million? If the business plan is sound the money is always available.

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As for entrepreneurship, the government and whatever native group was involved would sue you out of your pubes.

More likely a question of who has the better lawyer will posses the majority of the pubes.

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Your logic fails miserably.

Not so far and I have another birthday comming up...69 and still fine[;)]

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Nice cherrypicked mishmash from posts to different people you have there. I'll take buy a fucking clue for $500 Alex.[8|]

Bottom line. Human archeological sites aren't a good risk for a profit center due to government and/or aboriginal interference.
Unless you're a megacorp not for profit , it's not gonna happen.

If you want to play with your bold font contrarian games, keep going. It makes a person look closer to 9 than 69.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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Would I risk a million to make a hundred million...hmmmm[8|]

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Do you really think that any government and/or native group will allow Joe six pack to make a hundred mil (or even a hundred dollars) on a human archaeological site?

Your "friend" did it but no one else can?
Your "friend" traded endangered specie habitat for a "money maker".
Someone not your "friend" cannot trade archeologically sensitive land for a "money maker"
Both are dealing with a govt. bureauracy but only your "friend" would be smart enough to pull this off, why is that?

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You'd be buried so deep in lawyers (if not in jail for trying) we'd never see you again.

There is a line from "shindlers list" that speaks to the proper employment of accountants and lawyers. Case in point would be the o.j. murder trial.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx




Your "friend" did it but no one else can?
Your "friend" traded endangered specie habitat for a "money maker".
Someone not your "friend" cannot trade archeologically sensitive land for a "money maker"
Both are dealing with a govt. bureauracy but only your "friend" would be smart enough to pull this off, why is that?

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx




Your "friend" did it but no one else can?
Your "friend" traded endangered specie habitat for a "money maker".
Someone not your "friend" cannot trade archeologically sensitive land for a "money maker"
Both are dealing with a govt. bureauracy but only your "friend" would be smart enough to pull this off, why is that?

I'll take 'reading comprehension' for 1000 Alex.

I did not say that no one else can did I?

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"Bottom line. Human archeological sites aren't a good risk for a profit center due to government and/or aboriginal interference.
Unless you're a megacorp not for profit , it's not gonna happen."
"Do you really think that any government and/or native group will allow Joe six pack to make a hundred mil (or even a hundred dollars) on a human archaeological site?

You'd be buried so deep in lawyers (if not in jail for trying) we'd never see you again."
"Found human remains would rarely be reported and investigated due to the extreme potential liability."
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As for farmer Brown "Writing his own ticket" maybe you should actually read the article. The landowner is out $5000 and that's just to have a back yard looked at. A farmer with hundreds of acres could be out 6 or 7 figures easily. Would you care to risk that?"

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


Your "friend" did it but no one else can?
Your "friend" traded endangered specie habitat for a "money maker".
Someone not your "friend" cannot trade archeologically sensitive land for a "money maker"
Both are dealing with a govt. bureauracy but only your "friend" would be smart enough to pull this off, why is that?

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


Your "friend" did it but no one else can?
Your "friend" traded endangered specie habitat for a "money maker".
Someone not your "friend" cannot trade archeologically sensitive land for a "money maker"
Both are dealing with a govt. bureauracy but only your "friend" would be smart enough to pull this off, why is that?

Make that "Reading comprehension" for $2000 Alex

You missed (or are being deliberately obtuse about) the 2 links I posted that show the USFS is active in purchasing land that is good habitat and trading land away that can be developed at a profit in exchange for good habitat showing that my friend is one of many people all over the country that take action and work with the govt. instead of whining about " the mean old EPA".

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As for archeologically sensitive land, that has nothing to do with the Endangered Species Act

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that one of our RW posters was whining about before I debunked his thesis. You seem to have cherry picked so many of my posts in order to use them in your bold font contrarian rants that you can't remember what you're answering.

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As for archeologically sensitive land, that is a law in Canada. Once again, buy a map.

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Anyone who is "Smarter than a 5th grader" could see that.

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I have always found gratutitous slurs to be the hallmark of a punk ass motherfucker

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

If you live in Canada, don't call the police if you discover a human skeleton buried on your property.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/ontario-couple-finds-400-old-skeleton-gets-5-141737421.html

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


Your "friend" did it but no one else can?
Your "friend" traded endangered specie habitat for a "money maker".
Someone not your "friend" cannot trade archeologically sensitive land for a "money maker"
Both are dealing with a govt. bureauracy but only your "friend" would be smart enough to pull this off, why is that?

Make that "Reading comprehension" for $2000 Alex

You missed (or are being deliberately obtuse about) the 2 links I posted that show the USFS is active in purchasing land that is good habitat and trading land away that can be developed at a profit in exchange for good habitat showing that my friend is one of many people all over the country that take action and work with the govt. instead of whining about " the mean old EPA".

My quoted post above clearly shows that I have not ignored the links about the usfs.
I have not "whined about the epa.

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As for archeologically sensitive land, that has nothing to do with the Endangered Species Act

Government laws that have an impact on private land use and ownership seem to affect both organizations.

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that one of our RW posters was whining about before I debunked his thesis. You seem to have cherry picked so many of my posts in order to use them in your bold font contrarian rants that you can't remember what you're answering.

I am pointing out posts that are self contradictory.

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As for archeologically sensitive land, that is a law in Canada. Once again, buy a map.

Are you saying that there are no laws in the u.s. concerning archeologically/anthropologically sensitive land?
The concept of the govt. having an impact on private land use and ownership is something that affects all countries

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Anyone who is "Smarter than a 5th grader" could see that.

I have always found gratutitous slurs to be the hallmark of a punk ass motherfucker

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Make that "Reading comprehension" for $2000 Alex

You missed (or are being deliberately obtuse about) the 2 links I posted that show the USFS is active in purchasing land that is good habitat and trading land away that can be developed at a profit in exchange for good habitat showing that my friend is one of many people all over the country that take action and work with the govt. instead of whining about " the mean old EPA".

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Your first point only shows you didn't comprehend the post well. I said a RW poster whined. Are you a Right Winger?

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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I have always found gratutitous slurs to be the hallmark of a punk ass motherfucker

I have always found gratuitous slurs to be an major part of your posts.[:D]

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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I have always found gratutitous slurs to be the hallmark of a punk ass motherfucker

I have always found gratuitous slurs to be an major part of your posts.[:D]

Once again this discussion is not about me.

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Make that "Reading comprehension" for $2000 Alex

You missed (or are being deliberately obtuse about) the 2 links I posted that show the USFS is active in purchasing land that is good habitat and trading land away that can be developed at a profit in exchange for good habitat showing that my friend is one of many people all over the country that take action and work with the govt. instead of whining about " the mean old EPA".

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I have not "whined about the epa."

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Your first point only shows you didn't comprehend the post well. I said a RW poster whined. Are you a Right Winger?

You are mistaken, the post I replied to, quoted above,makes no mention of rw.