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SomethingCatchy -> Hosting an event? (6/19/2013 11:31:25 PM)

I'm posting this to get some feedback/advice from people who have hosted events before. I'm uncomfortable with f-life and I know that people here have plenty of experience either going to or hosting events.

Tinkerer and I have been talking about puppy play ideas and how fun it'd be to go to an event that had actual competitions that 'real dogs' are entered into. Things like obedience, agility to give you an idea. We've also talked about hosting an even that would have those types of competitions. We don't own private property to host, so we'd have to rent.

What are your experiences with either hosting, working at, or volunteering for any kind of kink oriented event? What kind of advice can you give to someone who's never hosted an event? Are there any programs, books, DVD's or internet videos you can recommend for learning more about hosting an event that could potentially draw over 20 people? Any advice on how to avoid drama and issues? I'm also curious about how to attract workers/volunteers to help set it up and make sure things work smoothly.
Our expectations of hosting such an event would be to break even after renting a large (probably outdoor) space. If you have any advice on areas that are large enough to host 50 people in the Indiana/Ohio/Illinois(including Chicago) area that is kink friendly please post or send me an email.




SoulAlloy -> RE: Hosting an event? (6/19/2013 11:44:22 PM)

Never ran a play event so can't comment so much on that.

For the munch there's only two key things to do really, mingle lots (it encourages others to do so) and if anyone's sat looking bored go over and chat to them, introduce them to people sat near them to stimulate conversation.

Issues I've been quite lucky and rarely had to deal with, if it's someone who's being overly friendly, and well, lusty shall we say, generally I'll sit next to them and engage them in conversation so no one else has to, bringing up as many vanilla topics as I can.

One thing you might need to consider is sore loser/winner with competitions, and how to deal with tie breaks and such (extra ribbons etc)

Good luck :)




LadyPact -> RE: Hosting an event? (6/20/2013 12:15:16 AM)

Hosted, organized, promoted, volunteered, and did things related to being elected to the board on munch groups in two different locations. Done both public and private events. Private, I tend to find there are fewer drama issues because you've got more control over the guest list.

I'd suggest scouting your venue first. Depending what you are going to allow at your event, some things might make securing one more difficult based on what you will allow. Will you allow nudity? Any BDSM play? The more you let people do, the harder it might be to find a venue. Plan on any place you rent wanting a deposit to hold the venue and that deposit only being returned after your event has been held and whoever you rented from verifying that no damage has occurred during the course of your event. Also plan for your contract to have a clause that any attendees are your responsibility.

The reason you search the venue first is so you can have some kind of idea on cost of entry. Common sense says that you're going to have a higher door fee the higher the cost to rent the venue. I've seen folks that will attend an event that costs twenty per head, but will stay home if the price is twenty-five.

I'm not aware of anything on the net or DVD that is a 'how to' of holding an event. However, there are classes on how to do so that are often held at events. The latter can be found sometimes at multiple day events. I know that part doesn't help much.

The old expression goes that ten percent of people do ninety percent of the work for events, and in a lot of cases, that turns out to be very true. It's also what leads a lot of folks to burning out. They do way more work than they ever thought they signed up for. How to avoid the entire event being your and T's work is to network with the local munch group and see who are the go-to people for volunteers. It sounds shady, but it works. If you comp the door fee for those willing to be 'staff' you may end up with more people willing to help. Making people pay to work or present at the event you are running is a quick way to finding yourself doing all of the work.

Networking with your local munch group is also a great way to get an idea of how many people are interested in the type of event that you want to hold. You're looking at a specific kind of interest, so do some checking to see what kind of response you get to the idea before you commit. The way I came up in kink, once you announce that you *are* holding an event, you hold it whether six people or sixty show up. Fold one event with your name attached to it and people will never forget it.

Be prepared to write the rules of your event as well as typing up a waiver of liability. Make sure attendees have access to both before the date of the event. You may not like the other site, but it's awesome for this purpose. Create your own group and make those two documents stickies.

I hope that helped in some way. If I can answer any other questions, My mail box is always open.




Charles6682 -> RE: Hosting an event? (6/20/2013 1:32:53 AM)

This is actually a perfect thread for me. Some people here in St.Pete where I live have asked me if I would like to start a local Munch in this town. There are some Munches in the next towns over in Clearwater and Tampa. However,there is no actual Munch in St.Pete itself. The thing is, I have no experience in putting these kind of events together. I mentioned that I don't mind getting something started but I do need some help from someone who actually has experience in setting up these type of events.

Is it really that difficult to start a local Munch?




LadyPact -> RE: Hosting an event? (6/20/2013 1:43:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Charles6682
Is it really that difficult to start a local Munch?

In My opinion, starting a munch is way easier than hosting events. All starting a munch takes is a location and a commitment to being there on a regular basis. Places with private rooms away from the main restaurant crowd work very well and are popular with folks who have concerns about being spotted as being with a "kink" group. Also, setting a specific day/time (like every third Tuesday at 7:00 PM) tends to work better than the sporadic 'whenever people want a munch' method. It allows people to plan in advance.





BlueHnS -> RE: Hosting an event? (6/20/2013 2:49:46 AM)

@ SomethingCatchy ~

I've sat on a committee or two for events. First let me say if you proceed you will ask yourself, probably multiple times "What made think this was a good idea?" As Lady Pact said it's a boatload of work. Don't be disheartened there are plenty of things you can do to make it easier on yourself and everyone involved.

We have a rule in my area ... Don't stick your dick in crazy! When applying this rule it's pretty simple. If someone you think about adding to the staff roster doesn't do well under pressure then don't add them. I don't care if they can sit with a bone on their nose for an hour. Save that for one of the competitions! Have a strong unified base team and that will cut down on drama overall. Issues may arise, but they are far more manageable if the person who gets talked to first doesn't respond like their hair is on fire.

Pick someone with amazing people skills to be your public point of contact. If the individual sitting at the check in desk gives attendees only the barest attention it can adversely set the tone for the whole event.

Design your layout to be guest friendly. Be sure signage for designated areas can be seen at a distance. There's nothing as fun as looking for the first aid area only to discover it's conveniently located ½ block away in the back of someone's SUV.

As for location, I'd suggest checking out your local spiritual campgrounds (think pagan). They tend to be far more, erm, accepting of things beyond the norm. Talk to the groundskeepers to see if the location is a good fit for you and your event. Also check to see if they require you to carry your own insurance for your event.

Give your volunteers perks, but don't go overboard. Also, give the same perks for the same levels of volunteerism. Until a recent event I would have thought this was a no brainer.

You also might want to invite one of your favorite vendors.

That's all I can think of at 4:37 am.


@ Charles6682 ~

In addition to what Lady Pact said, be prepared to make your attendees feel comfortable. I make it a habit to walk around and say hello to everyone and who is there when I arrive. Single people have the option of being escorted to their cars afterwards. We even do some occasional carpooling if someone needs a ride.

Best of luck to you both. My inbox is always open for questions.

~ Blue ~






ResidentSadist -> RE: Hosting an event? (6/20/2013 7:47:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
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ORIGINAL: Charles6682
Is it really that difficult to start a local Munch?

In My opinion, starting a munch is way easier than hosting events. All starting a munch takes is a location and a commitment to being there on a regular basis. Places with private rooms away from the main restaurant crowd work very well and are popular with folks who have concerns about being spotted as being with a "kink" group. Also, setting a specific day/time (like every third Tuesday at 7:00 PM) tends to work better than the sporadic 'whenever people want a munch' method. It allows people to plan in advance.


QFT, good advice.

I have hosted all the above and a munch is easy. Find a spot, reserve a section or private room if they have it and you're good to go. To avoid the public kink stigma, we always registered the function with the restaurant as the "computer group" so that is what you ask the hostess for when you arrive.

To be successful from the get go, I suggest playing politics and "prodding" the core leather people in the area to attend, praying upon them that their presence will help inspire others to follow.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Hosting an event? (6/20/2013 8:40:19 AM)

Is there enough support to fill the event locally or will you need to draw attendees from out of town?





SomethingCatchy -> RE: Hosting an event? (6/20/2013 12:39:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Is there enough support to fill the event locally or will you need to draw attendees from out of town?




If this was meant for me, Tinkerer is the one who knows best. I'll ask him to answer that when he's got the time.
Thank you all for the advice. It's definitely going to come in handy. I'm still looking for events in my immediate area that I can volunteer with to get my name/rep out there to hopefully help with networking later when we can do the puppy play event.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Hosting an event? (6/20/2013 1:00:27 PM)

I ask for two reasons, San Francisco already has a similar event because lots of interest, east podunck is going,to struggle.

In addition, finding a space to host a local event is FAR easier than a hotel space capable of hosting visitors.




SomethingCatchy -> RE: Hosting an event? (6/20/2013 6:41:52 PM)

The big cities around Indiana are Chicago, Louisville, Columbus/Cincinnati, Detroit/Ann Arbor, St Louis and Pittsburgh. That's over 6 million people if you include Indianapolis' population. Certainly the vast majority of those people aren't interested in puppy play, but even if a 3rd of that is kinky that's still 3 million people to reach out to. I think the odds are good that it could be successful even if the Midwest doesn't have the brand name shininess (and price tag) of San Francisco.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Hosting an event? (6/20/2013 6:47:33 PM)

Actually sounds like a perfect spot and people get tired of local events




littlewonder -> RE: Hosting an event? (6/20/2013 8:31:07 PM)

I used to run a play party in my home for a few years. It was just one big party and people did whatever they wanted. It was like having a bunch of friends at your home for a party. You have some who get out of hand, you have others who help you clean up and then you have the wallflowers and those who hit on others and the sensitive ones and the boorish ones, etc....

But I guess you're talking about something more formal and on that point I really can't help you.




SomethingCatchy -> RE: Hosting an event? (6/22/2013 12:39:16 PM)

Littlewonder, your experience is just as welcome. If you'd like to elaborate on your hosting experience I'd appreciate it.

Tinkerer cross-posted on f-life and there's someone in PA who helps run a small puppy play group and he's commented that he'd attend if we hosted what I'm talking about here. It's exciting to see at least one person show interest!




SimplyMichael -> RE: Hosting an event? (6/22/2013 1:01:17 PM)

Ask in the SF groups as there is a big pet group here although it may be pony play.




littlewonder -> RE: Hosting an event? (6/23/2013 5:54:08 PM)

My hosting experience? No different than inviting people for dinner over to my home.

Made some food and drinks, cleaned the house, made everyone feel welcome, showed them around, talked to them, made sure everyone was introduced to each other and try to get everyone to mingle, etc....

Afterwards, cleaned up and made sure everyone was ok to drive home and if not let them crash at my place, had some who offered to help clean up.

Like I said, the same as you would when you invite friends over to your home.




njlauren -> RE: Hosting an event? (6/23/2013 7:14:46 PM)

I was involved for several years with a large fetish oriented charity auction event, and one thing about any event is it generally takes more work then you think it will, and it isn't really different IME for kink events then it is for vanilla events. Here are my suggestions:

-Decide what you want the event to be, be as specific as possible. If you plan on actually having things go on, rather than just being a kinky get together, then look at what others have done. For example, for a pet event:

-Obediance trials, which means you would need people to judge it (panel's always seem more cool), so you would have to get in touch with people and see their availablity.

-Agility events would require setting up courses (how you do this for pet play in a kink contest, I have no idea), which would require thinking about the course you would want; also, would there be classes i.e male pets/female pets, would it be on a time trial basis with multiple runs, would there be different types of pets (dogs, ponies)?

You get the idea, you need to take your concept and drill down on it, maybe you and tinkerer could get together a small group of people you know and brainstorm... one of the things that made our fetish event work was we had it down to exact details of what what on, it had been going on for a while, tasks were broken down, and we had regular meetings.

-Venue is important, and that isn't easy, even for a charity event. Being in NYC, it was difficult to find space that would work for us, and would be of limited rent, since the whole idea was to make money for the groups we were targeting....and it never is easy.

One of the key things i recommend is finding a place easy to get to, in range of population centers. Places in Indiana, if my geography holds, can tap an audience from a pretty wide area, which is good. Hopefully it is also easy to get to, close to highways and such, a place that requires travelling miles over country dirt roads may not work well for some people.

-Is it a single day event or a multi day event? If multi day, then you may have the headache of seeing if there are enough places for people to stay nearby (unless they plan on camping out, which brings its own headaches)....

-Are food and drinks to be provided by you guys, as part of the entrance fee, or will people be told to bring their own? You could also find someone in the kink community willing to organize food and drink, and have it available for sale, which can be a way to help defer the cost of putting this on....if it ends up making money, the net proceeeds if you want could go to an animal shelter or something like that, that always seems popular with people. I can tell you if it is outside and it gets hot, you have to make sure there is at least water available. If it is outdoors, I would also recommend seeing if it would be possible to have a tent sent up, a big one, for shade, for people to cool off and also in the event it rains, you could still do stuff indoors.

-Have provisions for first aid, hopefully you have someone with skills in the community willing to do this, in case someone gets hurt. Doesn't have to be an ER, but good to have ice packs and bandages and ointments and other basic first aid.

-Make sure to get a decent number of porta potties, you never have enough.

-Don't try to do this yourself, and take the time to plan it right....have a group of people involved, and set designated tasks. Often the hardest one? The people responsible for breakdown, my specialty, after a long day/night, few people will feel all that great about doing this..but it needs to be done, especially if you are renting space. I have worked where we had roughly 30 minutes to get everything broken down, put aways in vans and such, and the place cleaned up, because it opened as a club at that point, and we couldn't delay the opening. Having designated people means it is more likely to get done, instead of "oh, I am sure we'll take care of it"

-Decide what is allowed and what isn't, and stick to that...and yes, have people designated at greeters/attendants/security, all it takes is some people , who may have drank too much or are too full of themselves, to ruin it for others. And yes, drinking is a big one, among other reasons, be careful with that, even if this is a private event, some places can be strict about alcohol being served, even if you aren't charging for it, simply for providing it. If people are allowed to BYOB, it can be a hassle to monitor it.......but in any event, think about it.

Obviously, a smaller event (20 people, 30 people) is a lot easier to do then one drawing hundreds. I agree with others, sometimes campgrounds are pretty good about things like this, there are a number of leather retreats that used camps in the Poconos and such.....and be honest with them what this is about, you don't have to tell them the details, but I would tell them it is for an adult group in the real of alternate sexuality or some such. Some places may not really care, but other's will, and if for example you rent some parcel of land they might be afraid it will turn into another Woodstock, get out of control, so it is important to tell them what you plan on doing (in general), and explain the outline of what you plan of allowing (booze/no booze), time frame, what kind of things you plan to have there (for example, tents, porta potties), how you plan on cleaning up afterwards, made arrangements to haul out garbage, etc, show you are organized.

One thing I have found with these things, normally it becomes evidence early whether it has a chance of happening, if you get together a group of people who said they are interested in helping, and only 2 people show up, it isn't a good sign and you might want to rethink before getting this off the ground. If people seem to be taking it seriously, you see progress as people check in, it is a good sign, but if for example the person or people in charge of finding out about getting a tent aren't doing anything, it is not a good sign.

I know it sounds like it isn't any fun, but believe me, it is, you put something together, no matter how formal or informal, it feels great when it happens (well, okay, the year I decided to wear boots with 5" heels and having to run around and such, that wasn't too smart, I learned my lesson after that one). Get together a group of people you know you can trust, and it can go off great.




SwitchNSpanky -> RE: Hosting an event? (6/24/2013 10:16:10 AM)

I've sat on pow wow committees. Been a member of pow wow security societies etc. never part of hosting a kink specific gathering before.

My first question. What is the desired number of attendees?

Do you desire any amount of public attendance?

Is the event by RSVP only or are you allowing drop ins?

Will you advertise drop ins welcome, or just make allowances for those intrepid folks who may show up unannounced? (it happens). ("hi. In the spiritual leaders estranged sister. I and twelve of my closest family are here to patch thing up and support my brother ") has happened to me.

If you plan on fifty. Make a contingency plan for 150. Planning on 2000 folks including "public". Make a plan for 5000. Murphy's law may grant you unprecedented success. So be prepared.

My first powwow I was on comity for expected a max of 2000 public visitors. We exceeded 5000. On first day we exceeded 2000 visitors. Without a backup plan for extra porta potties and whatnot we'd have been in deep trouble.

Also. Be sure you have very reliable security. They need to be level in a crisis. And first aid training is a good bonus to look for when "hiring". (you can often choose to employ groups. In this case you want to "hire" the group as a whole and also "hire" each individual of the group if that's possible. The integrity of your security can do quite a bit to make or break your event. Also... They are Likly your first responders in an emergency. So it's good if they are trained for that.









BitaTruble -> RE: Hosting an event? (6/24/2013 10:29:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SomethingCatchy


What are your experiences with either hosting, working at, or volunteering for any kind of kink oriented event? What kind of advice can you give to someone who's never hosted an event? Are there any programs, books, DVD's or internet videos you can recommend for learning more about hosting an event that could potentially draw over 20 people? Any advice on how to avoid drama and issues? I'm also curious about how to attract workers/volunteers to help set it up and make sure things work smoothly.


Hit up your local leather shops, costume clothing stores, lingerie shops and LGBT centers. (avoid chains like fredricks.. they won't usually let you put flyers in their windows but local stores can generally use the free publicity. What I did when I wanted to start UPEX was to offer free advertising on our flyers to the local shops and they allowed me to put up flyers for our meetings and munches in their windows plus allowed me to set flyers on their counter spaces. In addition, they offered a 10% discount (something I negotiated) to our members which gave member an incentive to join our org.

Our munches grew out of our efforts for UPEX and the local LGBT center gave us space to hold our meetings and in turn we gave them business for their coffee shop with our munch group so it was win/win all the way around.

I wore out a lot of shoe leather getting UPEX set up and it took just about a year from having the original idea to having our first meeting at the LGBT center. If a successful org and munch group can be set up in Utah.. I'd suspect that the same thing can be done pretty much anywhere if you have a core group of dedicated folks to help you out! Good luck to you!




SimplyMichael -> RE: Hosting an event? (6/24/2013 11:43:18 AM)

Something nobody has mentioned is that it is important to have a strong vision,of what you want but,have enough flexibility to allow your core volunteers to have some ownership of planning.

Then get ready for a hail of criticism, wrong day, too public, not public enough, you neepd to broaden the event, your focus is too narrow, etc.

Lots of people will want you work to create the event they want while they do lityle if anything. A great way to deal with that is to tell the their idea is great and when,they do, that you will be happy to provide some support.

At which point they syand their stuttering...




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