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pregnantpigslut -> RE: Rape play advice (6/21/2013 10:49:43 AM)
Geez. amateurs? get her on the ground however you want to, then use both hands to hold her wrists above her head so her arms make a right angle at the elbow, that leaves only her forearm strength to try tofight off your hold. next, shell close her legs tight, force your knee in and pin one of her knees with yours. lay on her with your entire weight to keep her legs apart and then slide in for penetration. Shell be plenty wet by this point so if your dick is longer than 3 inches it should be easy. Keep your hands on her wriststo keep her subdued, that leaves her with only her spread legs to kick at the floor to try to buck u off but it wont work. Growl breathy threats and insults in her ear to piss her off, make her fight more and recognize her helplessness. Ive been real raped and play raped more times than i can count, this method works every time. only time it doesnt work is when he lets go of my wrist to pull my hair, i twist his nipple and he always jumps off. maybe wear a shirt.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Rape play advice (6/21/2013 11:01:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pregnantpigslut Geez. amateurs? get her on the ground however you want to, then use both hands to hold her wrists above her head so her arms make a right angle at the elbow, that leaves only her forearm strength to try tofight off your hold. next, shell close her legs tight, force your knee in and pin one of her knees with yours. lay on her with your entire weight to keep her legs apart and then slide in for penetration. Shell be plenty wet by this point so if your dick is longer than 3 inches it should be easy. Keep your hands on her wriststo keep her subdued, that leaves her with only her spread legs to kick at the floor to try to buck u off but it wont work. Growl breathy threats and insults in her ear to piss her off, make her fight more and recognize her helplessness. Ive been real raped and play raped more times than i can count, this method works every time. only time it doesnt work is when he lets go of my wrist to pull my hair, i twist his nipple and he always jumps off. maybe wear a shirt. Sorry... no offense intended at all in this, but you being 5'3" and out of shape I can see that working. I'm 5'11", in shape, and an ex-endurance swimmer. I bench press considerable more than what the average guy of the street my height presses. My husband is taller and considerably heavier than me, and is absolute unable to keep my arms pinned down above my head, right angle or not, steadily enough to achieve forced penetration. In order for him (or other guys I've done this with) to keep my arms pinned, he needs his entire upper body strength and weight advantage leaning on my wrists. If he lets off, even a little, because he's focussing on getting my legs open or getting my hips in a position that enables penetration, I will easily throw him off. Hell even with his full weight (which is about 45lbs more than I weigh) leaning in on my wrists with my arms in an angle, I can still press him 6 inches off the bed easily. The only advantage he's got at that point is that, because of the angle in which he's holding my wrists, there is nowhere for me to go but up at that point, not facilitating an easy escape (which all changes, as I've said, if he focusses his attention, strength and weight elsewhere). Considering that the OP specifically mentions that the girl he's going to do this with is rather strong (and implied, in shape) I'm going to call total bullshit on going to be as easy on him as what you're describing. The only way it's possible for it to be that easy is if the girls is drastically shorter than the guy, and in addition to that, doesn't have any upper body strength to speak off...

Missokyst -> RE: Rape play advice (6/21/2013 11:11:33 AM)
umm... I am just under 5'2" and when I was younger and trust me on this, NOT in shape, I flipped my brother who was 6 ft and a marine, over my shoulder and pinned him to the floor until someone made me get off. A few years later I bucked a sailor off my body during an attempted rape, picked him up by the jeans and tossed him into an aquarium, before shoving him off the balcony along with 2 of his buddies that were helping. Short, heavy, does not mean out of shape. I do agree with you though about the ease of that scenario she presented. It is not that easy.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Rape play advice (6/21/2013 11:19:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Missokyst umm... I am just under 5'2" and when I was younger and trust me on this, NOT in shape, I flipped my brother who was 6 ft and a marine, over my shoulder and pinned him to the floor until someone made me get off. A few years later I bucked a sailor off my body during an attempted rape, picked him up by the jeans and tossed him into an aquarium, before shoving him off the balcony along with 2 of his buddies that were helping. Short, heavy, does not mean out of shape. I do agree with you though about the ease of that scenario she presented. It is not that easy. Hey I'm not at all saying it would be impossible for a short and heavy women to fight off a guy stronger and taller than her when it comes to refusing to allow penetration. I think the only way it could potentially be possible for a guy to achieve it is with a short and out of shape woman, which I agree, not all heavy people are (tons of people with a lot of extra body fat pack a very decent amount of steel muscles under there, hell I'm one of them atm). The thing is, I have no experience with fighting a guy while having that type of body type, so I don't really know what the physics of it work out to be. All I know is that what she's claiming is absolutely ludicrous for me. There is no way in hell a guy could pull off what she's describing without me either letting him by holding back, or him using violent physical force (like first punching me in the face), or an actual weapon. I'm not stating that it's possible for a guy to pull it off with any short chick (considering the hip angle needed for penetration in missionary I still doubt he would be able to with even an out of shape one) I'm saying that IF it's possible for guys to do it with her, it's in function of her not having any upper body strength to speak off, and that what she's saying doesn't apply in the slightest to any woman with even a little bit of determination and muscle control in her.

theshytype -> RE: Rape play advice (6/21/2013 2:55:10 PM)
FR My husband and I are the same height and relatively same weight. I'm in shape but do not lift weights. He doesn't work out or lift weights. I have very little upper-strength. Most of my strength is in my legs - he knows this. He's still stronger than me, can lift me up and throw me on the bed, and pin me down. Doesn't mean I don't try. I can make it difficult for him but he still wins. Every time. He knows my weaknesses, he's quicker, and he's just naturally stronger. He also likes to pin me in such a way that I waste my energy, he doesn't waste his, so he's at an even more advantage. We do this often and doesn't automatically lead to sex. Usually, he just likes to prove he's stronger. I suppose we both just like testing ourselves. I know I enjoy it. Oh, and as a suggestion, make sure she can't reach you with her mouth. I'm a biter, and just in case she is too [;)] ETA: oh yeah, and he likes to pinch me or pull and twist a nipple to get me to become more compliant. Those usually work pretty well. Hair pulling doesn't work on me in this situation. I'm usually more tolerant of pain with the extra endorphins so it needs to be a little more painful.

DesFIP -> RE: Rape play advice (6/21/2013 3:03:56 PM)
If no props, can you make this into a game? Set a timer and if she's still fighting at the end of 15 or 30 minutes, no sex. I'm sure she can fight you off for a while but for how long?

lovethyself -> RE: Rape play advice (6/21/2013 3:59:54 PM)
FR Just curious. Would taking her from behind work better to control her? What it she's bent over the side of the bed for example, with you holding her arms behind her back, and your legs between hers (keeping her feet wide enough apart to prevent her getting leverage with her legs)? You can essentially control her leg movement by pinning her hips to the bed with yours. It would be easy from there to get that bit of extra pain that UllrsIshtar mentioned by lifting her arms. Of course, if the bed isn't a good height for this, it won't work at all for penetration. And if you have small hands and can't grip both her wrists in one of your hands, you would have a problem. I have no experience with this as a nonconsent scene, but I like to struggle a bit at times to test my "bonds" and this position is the hardest for me to fight back from. Having her overbalanced and with little to no leverage might make it easier to control as the top.

ARIES83 -> RE: Rape play advice (6/21/2013 4:09:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar Apparently you only have experience with women who deliberately hold back. [8D] Well it's probably a combination of things... Not least of which being, they probably can't bench press more than me... But I guess the amount of fight in a person is also a big factor. Either way I'm fairly confidant in my ability to molest someone haha.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Rape play advice (6/21/2013 5:33:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ARIES83 quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar Apparently you only have experience with women who deliberately hold back. [8D] Well it's probably a combination of things... Not least of which being, they probably can't bench press more than me... But I guess the amount of fight in a person is also a big factor. Either way I'm fairly confidant in my ability to molest someone haha. Lol, she doesn't need to bench-press more than you can, all she needs to be able to do is press about 60-75% of your weight. At that point, it doesn't matter how strong you are (unless you've got really exceptional abs), she'll still be able to lift you off the bed. Benching 120-160lbs for a fit woman of average height really isn't that unusual. Put a average guy of around 200lbs on top of that who's got his weight distributed between both arms and legs, and even with his abdominals engaged, it would be hard for him to make himself provide more than his own body weight in force for her to press up. The second he slacks off an pays attention elsewhere, that weight decreases drastically, to the point that it really wouldn't be that hard for her to throw him off if she really wanted to. Of course, it's far easier for him to wait it out and let her tire herself out, to the point that she can no longer throw him off, but that still leaves angle of penetration. I think most guys who like doing this sort of thing underestimate the fact that in order to achieve it, the female needs to willingly (either with or without coercion of pain) put her hips in a position and angle that allows penetration. That's something a guy just can do for her, no matter how much he's physically able to overpower her, simple because forcefully rotating her pelvis for her would be very hard even with the use of both hands, let alone without it. If she doesn't put her pelvis in a position that allows for penetration, unless the guy is willing to push the play to the point where he's risking serious anal or vagina tearing, penetration is simple not going happen. No matter how well pinned down you've got her.

SimplyMichael -> RE: Rape play advice (6/21/2013 6:14:45 PM)
And this thread is why you are my PROTECTOR on fetlife!

LadyPact -> RE: Rape play advice (6/21/2013 6:38:59 PM)
Fast reply........ First of all, OP, stop psyching yourself out. I stand all of 5'2" and I can overpower people. You don't need physical strength to get the upper hand. You need a couple of self defense moves used in an offensive manner, a prepared piece of rope, and the element of surprise. Unless you've got somebody who wants the fight and ONLY the fight, the fact that the other person gets turned on is also in your favor. This person wants to be taken, yes? That's in your favor, too, whether you realize it or not. For what it's worth, have a good time.

Aswad -> RE: Rape play advice (6/21/2013 7:48:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Goldback I realise this sounds a little weird, but... I need advice on how to rape someone. Approach in darkness with a detachable camera flash in your hand. Get her to turn, discharge the flash in the direction of her face. Be further away than three meters (ten feet) at that point, to avoid any risk of vision damage from the intense light. The flash may be intensely disorienting in ideal circumstances. Regardless, it will cause photobleaching and buy you anywhere from 20 seconds to 20 minutes in which she cannot see, making any struggle a lot harder. At this point, close quickly before either spraying her (any anti-rape spray will do) or tazing her (make sure you catch her when she falls, as the head will hit the ground with significant impact otherwise). Pull her to somewhere you won't be interrupted by passerby. Take the time you need, folding her arms behind her back and taping them with half a roll of masking tape (they fit neatly in the pocket). Slip on a hood with no mouth opening. Remove clothes. Tape legs however you want them. Wait for her to wake up (disoriented, at best). Have your way with her. Let her go. Be ready to comfort her. Resistance isn't as common as you'd think. When it's a girl you know, they tend not to get all the way to the point of being ready and willing to fight you with solid commitment (e.g. clawing your eyes out), instead yielding while crying and pushing ineffectually. When it's a stranger, they tend still tend to freeze up from fear, or cave when threats or force gets applied. If resistance does occur, the whole thing becomes a lot harder, and the chances of completing the act drop dramatically, but for those that do complete it, the typical approach is to threaten or use violence. Others have provided good advice. I'm just throwing in an oddball idea. IWYW, — Aswad.

littlewonder -> RE: Rape play advice (6/21/2013 7:56:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Goldback I know... :P It's not that I can't overpower her, it's just that it sounds hard to do that and have sex at the same time. I can't get it in there if she keeps moving about. Women don't normally fight back or struggle against their raper because they are usually too terrified or frightened to do so usually due to threat of death. What you need to do is allow her to resist and fight back at first until she finally gives in and gives up the sex. Otherwise, yeah....don't know how you're supposed to get it in if she's pushing you off the entire time.

Greta75 -> RE: Rape play advice (6/21/2013 9:06:44 PM)
[fast reply] I think most women who enjoy such plays does want to be "raped" in the end, so she'll take it easy on ya and start laxing on her struggles when she wants the "rape" to happen. I find for me, if I really struggle really hard, I could easily accidentally knee or kick the guy at his you know delicate parts and ruin the whole play fast. So, I can't imagine, I think most women will hold back their strength. But exciting stuffs!!! Gosh!! A rape play I was suppose to have fell through. Need to set up one of my own soon too!

Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Rape play advice (6/21/2013 9:23:50 PM)
I've been sort of mulling things over about Rape Play (since last madness involved). Make certain there's no confusion regarding "Limits". Make certain that's she's aware that it's you which is really showing up. I went through a bit of an experience, which a girl that was pretending to be somebody else setting things up in the middle. I had previously talked with this girl before at length regarding a Mild Rape Fantasy. When I interacted with somebody else claiming to be setting things up, well it was pushing things well past the Mild Rape scene. Some so called "Deal Breakers" were laid down. Anyways, yeah.. I broke the Deal Breakers, made certain she know it was me. She actually played stupid and lied about a lot of things. We were supposed to meetup again, she wanted to... but I ended up deep sixing the whole damn thing... when I pushed for the truth. This so called middle person painted a surreal fictional picture. Which frankly had me a bit concerned for this girl. I did not know how much if any of this to believe. In hindsight, I was rather stupid for being one word of it. I should have seen it for what it really was. Live, experience and learn. This has been the only Rape Play scene which went side ways in bad way. It's painfully clear that the lack of honesty, and somebody attempting to manipulate things in a manner which contradicted themselves. Bad Combination of things. I would have been done with pushing the limits like that, if I'd only know. I also could have done without the Surreal Drama laid out in a fantastical shady story line. It well fucked with my head space a little. This is exceptionally extraordinary and not the norm when it comes to setting things up. I should have known better anyways. So it's not all her fault.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Rape play advice (6/22/2013 10:43:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael And this thread is why you are my PROTECTOR on fetlife! Just wait till I finish my next round of insanity. I'll be able to do that superhero thing where I break the ropes tying me up by flexing some muscles. [;)]

Determinist -> RE: Rape play advice (6/23/2013 5:51:49 PM)
Muscles have about 30-45 seconds of fast-twitch energy before being exhausted. All you have to do is learn how to hold her down properly while she struggles and exhausts herself - after that, your role will be a lot easier. Take a grappling course or two and you'll learn how to use your center of gravity and a few basic holds, then (assuming she is not skilled) no chance of losing control of the scene. This is assuming, of course, you want a realistic scenario where she's actually fighting back. If you want to go reeaallly realistic, slap on a Nutty Buddy until the 'moment of truth'. :P

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Rape play advice (6/23/2013 7:14:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Determinist All you have to do is learn how to hold her down properly while she struggles and exhausts herself - after that, your role will be a lot easier. It's amazing the blank assumption that's being made on this thread that every guy will be smart enough to safe his strength for when it counts, and that every women will be stupid enough to fight herself to exhausting in a grip she sensibly can't get out of, instead of waiting for an opportunity. In a real rape situation where she's going on fear and instinct, that may work out like that, yeah... In a simulated scenario where she's the one intend on the struggle? Any girl worth her salt in that context will give you a serious run for you money, and won't fall for little boy tricks of "I'll just wait till she tires out". Djeezes dudes, what kind of weak, lame-ass, porcelain china dolls have all y'all being wrestling with? [:D] I've done this with at least a dozen different guys, a couple hundred times at minimum. It is after all my prefer mode of vanilla sex. Not once has any guy fucked me because I couldn't stop him from doing so. I've had draw situations where I couldn't get away and he couldn't fuck me end in sex, or situations where I stopped struggling end in sex, and situations where I refused to give in and he finally gave up, and situations where either of us accidentally got hurt bad enough that it ruined the mood (somehow blue balls are the most common injury there [;)]), but it's never ever ended in him defeating me and fucking me without me being able to prevent penetration. Apparently the only guys capable of achieving that are the ones posting here... [8\|]

Determinist -> RE: Rape play advice (6/23/2013 7:25:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: Determinist All you have to do is learn how to hold her down properly while she struggles and exhausts herself - after that, your role will be a lot easier. It's amazing the blank assumption that's being made on this thread that every guy will be smart enough to safe his strength for when it counts, and that every women will be stupid enough to fight herself to exhausting in a grip she sensibly can't get out of, instead of waiting for an opportunity. In a real rape situation where she's going on fear and instinct, that may work out like that, yeah... In a simulated scenario where she's the one intend on the struggle? Any girl worth her salt in that context will give you a serious run for you money, and won't fall for little boy tricks of "I'll just wait till she tires out". Djeezes dudes, what kind of weak, lame-ass, porcelain china dolls have all y'all being wrestling with? [:D] I've done this with at least a dozen different guys, a couple hundred times at minimum. It is after all my prefer mode of vanilla sex. Not once has any guy fucked me because I couldn't stop him from doing so. I've had draw situations where I couldn't get away and he couldn't fuck me end in sex, or situations where I stopped struggling end in sex, and situations where I refused to give in and he finally gave up, and situations where either of us accidentally got hurt bad enough that it ruined the mood (somehow blue balls are the most common injury there [;)]), but it's never ever ended in him defeating me and fucking me without me being able to prevent penetration. Apparently the only guys capable of achieving that are the ones posting here... [8\|] I'm not a "dude", yo. ;) It's a novice tip because, as you say, 'not every guy is smart enough to save his strength', so put it out there - that's the opposite of the 'blank assumption'. I probably shouldn't have said "All you have to do", but that's the start. If you're trying to restrain someone, it's easier to get them to tire themselves out before proceeding to binding, or cuffing. Obviously if the person has any skill in grappling or self-defense, then they won't, but few guys know how to fight properly and and an even smaller percentage of women do. Tiring out your opponent isn't a "little boy trick", it's part of a strategy. ETA: If that tip is obvious to you, then it isn't meant for you. But it is apparent that there are some people here that may have never been in this kind of scenario, and it might be helpful to them.

ARIES83 -> RE: Rape play advice (6/23/2013 7:36:02 PM)
quote: Djeezes dudes, what kind of weak, lame-ass, porcelain china dolls have all y'all being wrestling with? The kinds that aren't endurance swimmers capable of "bench pressing considerably more than the average guy" who have also rape played with more than a dozen guys, over a couple of hundreds of times... I would assume... Blankly.

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