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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/22/2013 4:05:31 PM

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Note to self : Buy gas BEFORE the kidnapping.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/22/2013 7:15:24 PM

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how amusing:)

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Talk about stuff you don't see/hear everyday. I'm one of the few folks who has kidnapped somebody where the kidnappee offered to pay for the gas at the gas station.
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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/23/2013 8:01:20 PM

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I've got a general picture of takedowns mostly being about breaking down a sub/slave/bottom...?

Don't agree with this at all... Though takedowns or as I call it primal play can be about breaking down the s type. It's not necessarily the point of it

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/23/2013 8:04:08 PM

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The following is something I wrote on primal play along time ago.... Which is just takedowns by another name

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Primal play is very much a significant part of my play. I personally take great pleasure from the free flowing and uninhibited responses that such play generates from my play partners. The people I Top are encouraged to allow themselves to be free and uninhibited in their behaviors and reactions to the things that occur in the scene. It has been my experience that those I play with and those I have observed are under an expectation to maintain control of them selves and behave appropriately in all given situations. These expectations can over time lead to a buildup of stress and this requires a constructive outlet for release. One manner to release this stress that I provide my girls is the primal play. My girls have one rule in play..."They have no rules" I very specifically instruct my girls to avoid any thoughtful consideration of how they want or should behave. If they think it, They DO IT! It is my pleasure in play to enforce and control their behaviors. I will seek the means and methods to inhibit their behaviors and reactions that I choose. I will also encourage and incite the behaviors and reactions that I enjoy. I personally find an intense pleasure by dominating and enforcing control within a scene. In effect their behaviors and reactions often appear to be chaotic and radical, but yet I effect control upon them and harness the energy they produce and focus it in the manner I choose. For my girls there is a sense of empowerment and freedom within the play that we do. The play tends to provide a catalyst for achieving and maintaining the level of behaviors that I expect of them in their daily activities.

For some this play is rather shocking and disturbing to watch. A bottom fighting back for many could be a warning flag of concern to the consensual nature of the play at hand. For many Tops a bottom fighting back can give them the appearance that consent is being revoked and are unable to continue to play as result. It is indeed important that those participating in the play have clear understanding of the nature of primal play. It is important to understand how such play can or will be stopped. One should understand the risks associated with this kind of play. I personally have been dropped to the floor, kicked, punched, bit, scratched and even took a knee into the groin. A bottom that fight back will feel the force of the Top against their resistance. A Top will use equal force to the bottom’s resistance, plus one. This “plus one” is the appropriate force to bring submission and break the resistance. For the bottom, there is always the risk that this “plus One” will be more than they can tolerate and the extra force could be sufficient to cause more than immediate submission in the scene, but a lasting negative impact outside the scene. For the Top, you will always run the risk that the bottom’s resistance will be greater than the force you are will to exert to bring enforced submission. As a Top that play a lot in Primal play, I protect against these risk with one factor and one factor alone… Keep my girl free of harm. If I am unsure that my girl can take the “plus one” to bring enforced submission, I will end the play. If I am unsure of my ability to use “plus one” to enforce submission, I will end the play. The point of primal play is not to see who wins… but to have fun free of Harm!

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/23/2013 8:21:50 PM

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I wish to god I could get you out here to teach a class or three!

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/24/2013 7:02:23 PM

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For me Take downs are a fun way to teach a few members of my local scene the logic of Im A sub not your sub. In the few ive been invovled in its been multiple Male tops and a widdle old me *snorts* and it ends up in a lot of fun grunting and panting and howls of Manly pain. we do it in wrestling format where if your pinned your won. If i were to be pinned id submit to that dominant for play for the evening... If they were i got to giggle and mock them freely for another few weeks before wed do it again.

It was never about sex, It was about power and control, who had it and who was going to be forced to give it up

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/24/2013 8:21:28 PM

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Takedowns are about power and control with me. Giving up both.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/25/2013 1:23:06 AM

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KoM,
Very interesting post on "primal play" thanks.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/25/2013 9:38:23 AM

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I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, years of being a bouncer have taught me a lot of ways to take someone down, usually drunk, stoned, and raging. It's not fun in the least, and the hormones my body releases then aren't the ones conducive to lovemaking later. On the other hand, I've had a few partners that wanted it, and I'd do my best to oblige without doing overt damage to them-which is very, very hard.

I'm trained to immobilize someone as quickly as possible until my coworkers show up to remove the person, and thus I have a tendency to use those techniques on a willing partner-which usually isn't what they wanted. They want to be able to fight back, and I simply don't let them. I've been punched, clubbed, bitten, scratched, and had my balls kicked enough times in real life that I'm not keen on it in a play situation.

The one woman I was dating who was really into it wasn't expecting her epic struggle scene to be over in less than ten seconds, with one wrist cuffed to an ankle, a nasty bruise on her other wrist as well as a strained muscle when I horsed it behind her back. She was expecting something along the lines of "He'll grab my by both wrists and I'll writhe and twist and kick him like the do on TV and in the movies," completely forgetting she worked in the same club as me and knew how I dealt with rowdy drunks.

In short, I think I scared her from her fantasy, at least for awhile. Shame, really, she was a nice person that I wouldn't have minded getting to know for a long time, but that's that now. I can't "dial it down" for play-I never learned how. When I sparred, it was as near to full-contact as we dared without killing or maiming ourselves (My nose has been broken 7 times, mostly sparring). Takedowns aren't fun for me, and I never incorporated that into my scenes.

To anyone wishing to do it correctly, get real-time training. I learned a lot about it when I was going through LEO training, and I did have a somewhat amusing incident I recounted in a much earlier post. But over time, it became less and less "fun", especially after the first half-dozen ER visits I made to fix damage I took. Sorry if this was wordy, but these are my thoughts on the matter.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 6/25/2013 9:58:41 AM

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Using a kink for "work" often robs it of erotic heat. For many, guns are hot totems of power and fear. To me, they are very dangerious tools and not ones I can play around with. Its deeply ingrained in me that that preying,on,weakness is a sign of weakness. I cant do humiliation play on someone with low self esteem, instead it brings out the,daddy, the,nurturing side. I can only do those things with an equal. But gun play, only one person ever talked me into doing,it but we never ended hooking up, but she is a serious kick ass woman,who at 5.11 could take most men and mentally is a match for anyone.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 7/16/2013 1:06:53 AM

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Oooh, I like that!

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RE: TakeDowns! - 7/16/2013 8:04:14 AM

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Note to self : Buy gas BEFORE the kidnapping.

"Is there gas in the car?
Yes, there's gas in the car."

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RE: TakeDowns! - 7/16/2013 8:32:22 AM

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Takedown play for has been a ton of fun in the past but I definitely had to dial things down.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 7/17/2013 1:49:09 AM

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True. Having power and control taken from you and replaced by the controlling power of the one who does the takedown to such an extent that you become dependent on them totally. Can be done through whippings and other painful means. The recipient is often never the same again. At its extreme it is non consensual.

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Takedowns are about power and controhrough whippingsl....... Giving up both.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 7/17/2013 4:05:02 AM

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Having done martial arts for many years, takedown to me is all about getting your "partner" on the ground, getting control and finally immobilizing.
Like MasterCaneman I tend to have a practical view on the matter. Wrestling on the other hand can be all about fun and games.
A proper takedown is fast, rough and you'll be lying there cuffed and bruised in a matter of seconds.

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RE: TakeDowns! - 7/17/2013 2:41:13 PM

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My fave takedowns have been oil wrestling in a kiddie pool filled with oil. You wrestle your partner into submission then... Ya know.

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