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ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4

Submission as a gift or not...or even these SODS principle. I'm reminded of a conversation the me and a another Lifestyle Dominant I've been working with had earlier today. It dealt with the aspects of submissive personalities verses submission in terms of D/s (the relationship structure).

What's funny is that we talked about those which were extremely submissive and how that affected resistance play (which is hot as hell). About never being tested and Challenged (equally boring at times). This had more to do with personality of the submissive, compared to the relationship structure itself. That without this stuff...when there's no need for punishment so much (it's also becomes rather boring).

One could look at Dominance as being a gift too. LOL SODS does sound a lot like some darkly arcane knowledge in a way.

The point I think some people overlook is the process in which D/s is relationship structure which is Tested, Tried and True. Where of both actually feel worthy of one another. Through the process of testing, being challenged, kept on their toes and the reinforcement of it all. Again, I'll stress that this is centered around personalities fitting together in a D/s structure.

What i just expressed, actually makes this whole submission as a Gift concept a fucking joke. Instead it's based upon true interaction. Where D/s is an interactive process. Not some Gift, Not some set of Arcane Bullet points either.

It's funny when this Dude said... that when you have own a submissive with a submissive personality. That you can't show any signs of weakness at all else it will be disturbing to the submissive. We were making jokes about having to escape to find private moments. So the submissive was not exposed to seeing this weakness. There's a lot to be said for the human aspects involved. That even us mighty might Doms/Masters are human beings and have weak moments, and that it's hard to maintain some FULL STATE of intense Dominance at all times. Kind of like a certain Trapping or Catch 22 involved.

At times, it's nice to simply be human and with somebody that you get the full sense of this freedom. There is a certain draw back to being in a D/s Relationship with somebody that has an extremely submissive personality. At least there can be for some. For some people, I suppose this is fully desired an not a draw back at all. (No true one wayism).

All of this stuff I'm writing about is stuff based upon experience.

I don't see anywhere in what you wrote any emphasis upon D/s being a process of interaction between two parties. Where it's tried and tested. Where both parties have an actual sense of being worthy of one another. <---- I find that at least a very important aspect to this madness.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Instead of saying that all people who don't fight back or disobey are boring, just say they aren't compatible with you.
It's much less rude. And it also doesn't give such a sweeping generalization that all dominants want disobedience.

The Man isn't focused on obedience per se. If I really believe he's wrong or that his desires are going to result in a clusterfuck, he wants me to refuse. Not so he can punish me but so he can solve the problem. How boring is that? Talking things out, what a concept!

He wants me to follow his lead because I really do agree with him. Obedience without sincerity does nothing for him.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Instead of saying that all people who don't fight back or disobey are boring, just say they aren't compatible with you.
It's much less rude. And it also doesn't give such a sweeping generalization that all dominants want disobedience.

The Man isn't focused on obedience per se. If I really believe he's wrong or that his desires are going to result in a clusterfuck, he wants me to refuse. Not so he can punish me but so he can solve the problem. How boring is that? Talking things out, what a concept!

He wants me to follow his lead because I really do agree with him. Obedience without sincerity does nothing for him.

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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

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ORIGINAL: SoulAlloy

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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

You thought I was kidding?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4477480/tm.htm

Must have been a good one, can't get there lol

Damn, I suck at trying to do links and stuff.
Anyway, it said something like "any mistress out there care to sell me her feces and watch me eat it"

Not saying my kink is better than his but still eww.

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Submission- A slave has a deep and fundamental craving to please. It is hardwired into her. It is who she is, without being all that she is.
Obedience- A slave feels the absolute need to obey in her soul. she does not want to lead, and only does so when she must.
Direction- she needs guidance, direction, goals, rules, and clear specific intent.
Structure- Discipline is structure. Structure is formed from the rules, rituals and protocols that that define the extent of the Three Powers. The Three Powers are control of her Body, Behavior, and Attitude.

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ORIGINAL: GhostWhoWalks

" Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do. "

-- Benjamin Franklin

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ORIGINAL: GhostWhoWalks

The previous quotation was not directed solely at Knight of Mists.
There are quite a few respondents to this post who appear to have an endless capacity to admire themselves.
Arrogance isn't becoming. To anybody.

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ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity

~FRing it~

SODS was too mainstream for me. I subscribe to JDWIFTYTD (Just Do What I Fucking Tell You To Do). Pretty much covers all the bases I need covered.