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Hillwilliam -> Funeral for a friend. (6/24/2013 4:46:05 PM)

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/trending-now/evidence-dog-mourning-loss-friend-174031345.html?vp=1




theshytype -> RE: Funeral for a friend. (6/24/2013 5:24:53 PM)

Cute story.

Having a dog myself (and even though I'm a fan of cats), I know how much human emotion they show.
If I cry, he rests his head on me or lays by my feet. When I'm dancing around the house singing, he joins in joyfully.
They get depressed when you leave them for vacation, going on food strike. But on return, greet you with thousands of kisses.

Now, if only they could learn to use the shower and toilet, they could quite possibly be the most perfect creatures.




Rule -> RE: Funeral for a friend. (6/24/2013 5:57:07 PM)

I distrust that video of a dog burying a pup, with his snout. I suspect that it was trained to do so.

Elephants are known to take care of the remains of other elephants.

Some animals have been known to eat their dead young. (A giraffe comes to mind.)

But that is about it. No canine species is known that buries its dead.




dcnovice -> RE: Funeral for a friend. (6/24/2013 7:50:54 PM)

quote:

Some animals have been known to eat their dead young. (A giraffe comes to mind.)

Really? Aren't giraffes herbivores?




Rule -> RE: Funeral for a friend. (6/24/2013 8:01:45 PM)

Yes, really.

Indeed, giraffe are herbivores.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Funeral for a friend. (6/24/2013 8:04:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

Yes, really.

Indeed, giraffe are herbivores.

Therefore, they don't eat their dead young.

Where did you come up with that bit of silliness?




Rule -> RE: Funeral for a friend. (6/24/2013 8:18:06 PM)

It was reported having been witnessed in the magazine of the Amsterdam Zoo Artis, back in the early eighties, if I remember correctly. (I had a subscription on that magazine back then.)




Hillwilliam -> RE: Funeral for a friend. (6/24/2013 8:32:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

It was reported having been witnessed in the magazine of the Amsterdam Zoo Artis, back in the early eighties, if I remember correctly. (I had a subscription on that magazine back then.)

They don't have the right kind of teeth.

Sorry, Biologist calling BS.




Rule -> RE: Funeral for a friend. (6/24/2013 8:57:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
They don't have the right kind of teeth.

Sorry, Biologist calling BS.

Well then, I will have to google a bit:

It is called filial cannibalism, I read.

Giraffes eat bones. For real. They pick up the bones of dead animals and swallow them whole. They do this to get extra nutrients.

I have personally seen a flock of pidgeons eat another dead bird (I think that it also was a pidgeon, but I cannot be sure) - but since pidgeons do not have the right kind of teeth, I guess that you will call bs on that as well?




Hillwilliam -> RE: Funeral for a friend. (6/24/2013 10:37:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
They don't have the right kind of teeth.

Sorry, Biologist calling BS.

Well then, I will have to google a bit:

It is called filial cannibalism, I read.

Giraffes eat bones. For real. They pick up the bones of dead animals and swallow them whole. They do this to get extra nutrients.

I have personally seen a flock of pidgeons eat another dead bird (I think that it also was a pidgeon, but I cannot be sure) - but since pidgeons do not have the right kind of teeth, I guess that you will call bs on that as well?

You said that giraffes eat their dead young. That has nothing to do with downing a few small bones off the ground or especially anything to do with omnivorous birds.

Please try to stick to your topic.




Rule -> RE: Funeral for a friend. (6/24/2013 10:49:10 PM)

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At the Soysambu Conservancy, Kenya, Muller (2010) observed a Rothschild’s giraffe, G. c. rothschildii, cow remaining vigilant in proximity to her dead calf over a period of four consecutive days. The neonatal calf had a deformed hind leg and its mother had remained within 20 m of her offspring for the duration of the calf’s life. When little over a month old, the calf apparently died from natural causes. When sighted, the calf carcass was surrounded by 17 extremely vigilant and agitated female giraffe, one of which was the calf’s mother. On the third day following the death, the half-eaten carcass was found about 50 m from the original location, with the mother standing vigilant next to it. On the next day, the carcass was no longer in the vicinity, but the mother was still in the area.

What ate the calf? No predator was seen in the vicinity. What was seen nearby was the mother. It took her four days to devour the carcass. I vaguely recollect that the giraffe that I read about that was seen devouring her dead offspring also required several days to eat it.




Rule -> RE: Funeral for a friend. (6/24/2013 10:56:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
That has nothing to do with downing a few small bones off the ground

On this webpage it is mentioned that a giraffe has the vertebra column of a gazelle dangling from its mouth. Yep, large backbones consist of a lot of small bones...




BitaTruble -> RE: Funeral for a friend. (6/24/2013 11:40:29 PM)


Page 21 to start the article which Rule quoted.

To the question of what ate the dead young - the article suggests it was hyenas, not the mother cow. Further, the article suggests that F008 was most likely (along with the other community members) doing her best to protect the dead carcass from predators for as long as she was able even at her own expense. The article appears to have been written to disprove the idea that giraffes are poor mothers. Given the motive behind the article, it doesn't seem logical to infer an idea of cannibalism from article written to prove what great moms giraffes are.




Rule -> RE: Funeral for a friend. (6/24/2013 11:52:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
To the question of what ate the dead young - the article suggests it was hyenas

That was unsupported speculation: no hyena was sighted.
Nor was any supporting evidence offered for the assertion that the carcass had been scavenged by predators.

Verily: the presence of the lone mother giraffe is evidence that no predators were in the vicinity.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Funeral for a friend. (6/25/2013 5:43:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
To the question of what ate the dead young - the article suggests it was hyenas

That was unsupported speculation: no hyena was sighted.
Nor was any supporting evidence offered for the assertion that the carcass had been scavenged by predators.

Verily: the presence of the lone mother giraffe is evidence that no predators were in the vicinity.

Tell ya what. Do all of us a favor and go trecking for a few days in the Kenya bush.
I doubt you'll see any predators. [:D]




Hillwilliam -> RE: Funeral for a friend. (6/25/2013 5:56:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

At the Soysambu Conservancy, Kenya, Muller (2010) observed a Rothschild’s giraffe, G. c. rothschildii, cow remaining vigilant in proximity to her dead calf over a period of four consecutive days. The neonatal calf had a deformed hind leg and its mother had remained within 20 m of her offspring for the duration of the calf’s life. When little over a month old, the calf apparently died from natural causes. When sighted, the calf carcass was surrounded by 17 extremely vigilant and agitated female giraffe, one of which was the calf’s mother. On the third day following the death, the half-eaten carcass was found about 50 m from the original location, with the mother standing vigilant next to it. On the next day, the carcass was no longer in the vicinity, but the mother was still in the area.

What ate the calf? No predator was seen in the vicinity. What was seen nearby was the mother. It took her four days to devour the carcass. I vaguely recollect that the giraffe that I read about that was seen devouring her dead offspring also required several days to eat it.

By your logic, if you're standing beside a half eaten road kill possum, you ate it because no one saw any vultures.[8|]




Rule -> RE: Funeral for a friend. (6/25/2013 7:39:22 AM)

There are no possums in Europe. [8|]




ShaharThorne -> RE: Funeral for a friend. (6/25/2013 7:56:24 AM)

The other day, I watched buzzards dragging an armadillo out of the roadway so he and his companions and eat it without being ran over themselves.




jlf1961 -> RE: Funeral for a friend. (6/25/2013 8:24:12 AM)

There have been photos on face book of dogs seemingly mourning their dead owners. Considering the bond between a pet and its owner, providing it was a trusting relationship, I have no doubts that animals can mourn. It has been proven that elephants will mourn, even stopping at the place where one of the herd has died in the past.

My personal belief is that animals do mourn the loss of another animal or master when they die, all you have to do is watch the change in their behavior.




Rule -> RE: Funeral for a friend. (6/25/2013 8:31:11 AM)

There was this male monkey that had had intercourse for the first time in his life. Afterwards he was walking around proudly with his snout in the air like He-man. He didn't see the ditch! And fell into it... And scrambled out. He surreptitiously and self-consciously looked around to see if any other monkey had seen him falling ignominously into the ditch, and subsequently slunk away.




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