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Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking part? - 6/26/2013 2:25:28 AM

RichardGreenhill

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Hi all,

I am currently carrying out some research into dacryphilia with Dr Mark Griffiths of Nottingham Trent University. We are hoping to explore the experiences of those who would describe themselves as dacryphiles, through a set of online (e-mail) interviews, with a view to hopefully collecting enough data to publish an academic paper on dacryphilia. Specifically, I am interested in the apparent distinction between 'sadistic' and 'voyeuristic' dacryphiles. I am also interested in the possibility that some dacryphiles may derive pleasure from their own crying and that some dacryphiles may derive pleasure from letting others watch them cry. I would also hope to explore any continuum within dacryphilia, as it would appear that there are different levels of intensity that people enjoy. Finally, I have a personal interest in removing some of the stigmatisation around fetishes, both in society and in academia, and would hope to encourage this by publishing a paper which brings normal dacryphilic experience to the fore (rather than treating it as a problem).

To date, I have interviewed a number of people from other forums who identify more as 'voyeuristic'. However, I am currently lacking in participants who identify as 'sadistic' dacryphiles. I'd like to know whether anyone on here identifies as such and would be interested in answering a set of questions which I could send you via e-mail? If you were to answer these questions, then you would of course be able to withdraw your data at any time if you wished to. I would also communicate the outcomes of the research to all participants and any members of this forum who are interested.

Thanks very much for your help,

Richard

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RE: Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking ... - 6/26/2013 2:35:35 AM

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I'm not quite sure what you mean when you denote the difference between a 'sadistic' and 'voyeuristic dacryphile.

Are you talking about the difference between somebody who merely enjoys watching others cry, and a person who enjoys causing others to cry, or do you mean 'sadistic' as in "causing tears by means of causing pain" versus "causing pain by means other than pain"?

Either way I play a lot from a bottom perspective with play that's specifically intended to cause tears, and my husband gets off on seeing/making me cry. I also enjoy (though I wouldn't say in a sexual way, so I don't know if it counts as a paraphilia for the purpose of your study) seeing/making other women cry as a result of my actions. It irritates me to see men cry though.

Feel free to ask your questions here, or his me a mail on the other side. I don't mind taking part, and I'll ask my husband if he's interested as well.

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RE: Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking ... - 6/26/2013 3:04:11 AM

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Hi UllrsIshtar,

Thanks for your reply!

Yep, the difference I mean is that between somebody who enjoys watching others cry ('voyeuristic') and a person who enjoys causing somebody else to cry ('sadistic'). In the latter group, this could be either as a result of pain or other means, as long as it is the causation of crying in another which they find enjoyable (as opposed to being primarily aroused by the activities leading to crying, but not really bothered about crying itself). I understand that sadism in itself is more concerned solely with pain and humiliation, but it was the best way I could find to describe the difference (although I appreciate that I have used the word more liberally, hence 'sadistic' in inverted commas!).

So, in terms of how you describe your husband's interest, I think he would certainly match what I am looking for. I would also be very interested in interviewing you - I'd like to capture as much of the range of dacryphilic experience as possible, so the fact that your interest falls slightly out of 'voyeuristic' and 'sadistic' means I'm definitely interested!

Could you PM me an e-mail address where I could send you an initial set of questions, as well as an information and consent sheet? And in the mean time, that'd be great if you could ask your husband too.

Thanks once again,

Richard

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RE: Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking ... - 6/26/2013 3:11:38 AM

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I'd appreciate it if you posted the results of your study or posted a link to the paper on here when your finished.
I don't really think I'm a dacryphile but I'm interested in what you discover.
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RE: Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking ... - 6/26/2013 3:19:08 AM

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Hi ARIES83,

Yep, I'd like to share the results with all who are interested, so I'll either post on this thread or individually message members who have expressed an interest. At the moment, it looks like that'll probably be around the beginning of September 2013 at the earliest. I'll keep people informed though!

Thanks,

Richard

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RE: Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking ... - 6/26/2013 3:27:50 AM

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I enjoy making people cry. In good way, a way I enjoy.

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RE: Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking ... - 6/26/2013 3:52:27 AM

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Yes, I am. From a voyeuristic standpoint, within specific parameters that disturbs me and that I don't want to discuss in an open forum. Not sure I could talk about it even in private. When I made this discovery earlier this year, it horrified me and I don't really know how to deal with it yet except by shunning anything to do with it. As for dacryphilia for something r/t and not on video, I don't know and I'm not sure I want to know if I would have the same intense sexual reaction. I would have to be very sure it's consensual before giving myself permission to watch, and even then...it might take me to a very ugly place.

I've also realized that I've been this way since childhood. By first grade. There was a movie I saw, I could describe part of it but cannot remember the name, and cartoon I specifically remember, seen in third grade, though I don't know the name of it, both triggered these feelings but I had forgotten about it. Then there was that year in 5th grade (tons of torture dreams over this guy in my class, the imagined tears had an intense sexual beauty that touched my soul). I don't know if I can be of any help...but know that I am not thrilled to have this be one of the things that turns me on.

I have seen lots of people crying on tv, and sometimes in real life. The times I mentioned are the only times I've ever reacted, that I can remember. bo tends to scream rather than cry...if he did cry hard, I don't know whether I would get aroused or feel lower than dirt. Or both.

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RE: Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking ... - 6/26/2013 5:43:16 AM

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Can you post any sort of link showing both the study and your involvemement in it?

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RE: Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking ... - 6/26/2013 5:50:17 AM

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I was about to make the same request Michael did. Could you also tell me, since Dr. Griffiths is a professor of gaming, are you trying to link this paraphilia with learned behavior?

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RE: Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking ... - 6/26/2013 11:15:31 AM

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And I'm curious as to why you leave out nonsadistic tears. After all, people cry from beauty or being emotionally touched, or having a cathartic experience. Yet you ignore those who find causing their partner tears from those things to be extraneous to your work. Which says to me you have a theory you're trying to twist the facts to fit. And that's not a good thing to do.

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RE: Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking ... - 6/26/2013 3:29:14 PM

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What's the deal with Dr Mark Griffiths and his study of gambling additions? Are the losers crying?

Anyway, I would be one of those sadist dacryphiles. As an extremely sadistic edge player I enjoy scenes fraught with deadly peril, fears and tears! I love the serious dangers that enhance the reality of it like dunking/drowning, cutting and asphyxiation. I like bringing to bear the tear inducing fearful aspects that leave their cheeks streaked with tear stained mascara, lips quivering, their guts trembling and their loins throbbing.

But as others mention, we would all like to see the validity of your involvement and that the good doctor is now studying this instead of gaming and gambling addictions.

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Have you ever seen a slave love her Master so deeply that she cries from the emotional release after a good beating? Have you ever seen a slave feel so passionate that she crosses the pleasure/pain threshold and cums so intensely that it makes her weep? Have you ever seen trust so deep and complete that tears flow when she follows Master faithfully and overcomes her fears?

Crying is sexy . . .
Tear filled eyes big as saucers, looking up at you. Cheap mascara stains trailing down over her cheeks. A tear hangs precariously in the balance from her pouting, swollen and quivering lips. A trickle of blood and cum leak from the corner of her mouth as a testament to the violent sex. She is sex personified and her face and the tears upon it bear evidence as proof to the sacrifice she has just made for passion. She is someone that gave it all until she cried.

I like it when they cry . . .
I thrive on the connection, the bonds between a Master and slave and between a sadist and masochist. I love seeing the look on my slave's face when I see that I control her and what she is feeling. I like to cross Masterism with sadism while I explore emotional fears, expand physical limits, break mental boundaries and fulfill forbidden desires. I passionately mix love, torture, sex, fear, pleasure, pain, anguish, lust, trust and I test faith. I want to see tears of joy, tears of pain, tears of love, tears of pleasure and tears from fear... I like it when they cry.

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RE: Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking ... - 6/27/2013 3:39:14 AM

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Hi SimplyMichael, MissImmortalPain and ResidentSadist,

I've linked both my ethics form for this study (which outlines the study for ethical approval) and the ethical approval received from my institutional review board/ethics committee. I hope that this validates the legitimacy of my involvement in this study and addresses any concerns you may have had related to this.

In terms of Dr Mark Griffiths' research interests, he does indeed carry out a significant amount of gaming and gambling research and it was through these areas that he initially entered academia. He is however also interested in the psychology of sexual behaviour, which is where his interest in paraphilias arises. Here is a link to one of his published papers regarding research methodologies and paraphilias. Although this deals with the ways in which paraphilias can be researched, rather than paraphilias themselves, hopefully this highlights his academic interest in the area for you.

If you'd like any more information, please let me know.

Thanks,

Richard

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RE: Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking ... - 6/27/2013 3:44:26 AM

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Hi MissImmortalPain,

With regards to your question about whether myself or Dr Griffiths would seek to link paraphilias to learned behaviour, the answer is probably not! Although Dr Griffiths does have a background in gaming, gambling and behavioural addictions (which as you rightly point out, implies an interest in linking these activities to learned behaviour), his interest in paraphilias is independent of his other research interests and not influenced by them. I personally do not have a background in gaming, gambling or behavioural addictions and as such would not pursue a link to learned behaviour either. Furthermore, we are taking a 'bottom-up' approach to the research, in the sense that we are not working within a theoretical framework and attempting to mould results to this. Instead, we are collecting data and analysing this collected data to form a set of themes which may constitute dacryphilic experience.

The only way in which we would link dacryphilia to learned behaviour, is if this was strongly implied in the data we have collected. To date, this has not been the case! Likewise, I would be very wary of linking a paraphilia to learned behaviour as the only way you can truly make this connection is by attempting to teach someone paraphilic behaviour. Clearly, this is very unethical and not something that I, or most other researchers, would ever condone!

I hope that addresses your question, please let me know if there's anything else you'd like know.

Thanks,

Richard

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RE: Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking ... - 6/27/2013 4:03:39 AM

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Hi DesFIP,

Apologies, I should have perhaps made my initial post somewhat clearer. To date, I have in fact collected data primarily from those who experience dacryphilia/crying/tears in the way which you describe (i.e. an emotional way). For some of these people, their connection to crying/tears is solely emotional (but they still identify with dacryphilia), whilst for others their connection is primarily emotional but they have had sexual experiences in the past related to tears/crying (albeit in a more emotional way). I can't go into specific detail here as the data I have already collected is confidential, but I'd just like to assure you that I haven't ignored nonsadistic tears in the research. This is in fact what I meant by 'voyeuristic' dacryphilia (I've used inverted commas there to indicate that this is not a set way of describing this type of dacryphilia, but the best description I could come up with given the data I have collected/viewed on online forum threads).

As far as having a pre-determined theory which I am attempting to fit data into, I can also assure you that this is not the case and that I completely agree with your disapproval of carry out research in such a way! The research I'm carrying out is qualitative (i.e. interviews, it consists of transcripts of text rather than large banks of numbers). I'm not sure how much you know about qualitative data analysis, but I will be analysing the data using either thematic analysis or interpretative phenomonological analysis (IPA). In either analytic technique, there is an emphasis on making interpretations based solely on the collected data, rather than any external sources. As such, it is impossible for me to assert a pre-determined theory onto the data, as - put simply - it would mean I would have done a terrible job of analysing the data and would be completely unpublishable. Rather than doing this, I will be taking a 'bottom-up' approach, whereby I seek themes which arise from the sets of data and which may be representative of dacryphilic experience.

Finally, just to address the 'voyeuristic'/'sadistic' distinction - this is not supposed to be a definitive distinction. Rather, following a preliminary search of online forum threads on dacryphilia, it seemed that most people's experiences seemed to either be passive and emotional (e.g. seeing an actor cry on television) or active and more 'sadistic' (e.g. actively enjoying making someone cry). The two descriptions were the best words we could come up with to describe these experiences. Personally, I imagine dacryphilia (like a lot of sexual behaviour) is a spectrum rather than a black and white distinction, and I am very keen to hear about all the differing experiences on this spectrum and include them in my research.

I hope that clears things up, please let me know if there's anything else you'd like to ask.

Thanks,

Richard

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RE: Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking ... - 6/27/2013 8:53:21 AM

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I contacted the professor directly, this is legit.

Bossyshoebitch, you should do this survey since you keep stalking my posts.

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RE: Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking ... - 6/27/2013 12:51:15 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Anyway, I would be one of those sadist dacryphiles. As an extremely sadistic edge player I enjoy scenes fraught with deadly peril, fears and tears! I love the serious dangers that enhance the reality of it like dunking/drowning, cutting and asphyxiation. I like bringing to bear the tear inducing fearful aspects that leave their cheeks streaked with tear stained mascara, lips quivering, their guts trembling and their loins throbbing.

But as others mention, we would all like to see the validity of your involvement and that the good doctor is now studying this instead of gaming and gambling addictions.

(excerpt from my profile)

Crying is romantic . . .
Have you ever seen a slave love her Master so deeply that she cries from the emotional release after a good beating? Have you ever seen a slave feel so passionate that she crosses the pleasure/pain threshold and cums so intensely that it makes her weep? Have you ever seen trust so deep and complete that tears flow when she follows Master faithfully and overcomes her fears?

Crying is sexy . . .
Tear filled eyes big as saucers, looking up at you. Cheap mascara stains trailing down over her cheeks. A tear hangs precariously in the balance from her pouting, swollen and quivering lips. A trickle of blood and cum leak from the corner of her mouth as a testament to the violent sex. She is sex personified and her face and the tears upon it bear evidence as proof to the sacrifice she has just made for passion. She is someone that gave it all until she cried.

I like it when they cry . . .
I thrive on the connection, the bonds between a Master and slave and between a sadist and masochist. I love seeing the look on my slave's face when I see that I control her and what she is feeling. I like to cross Masterism with sadism while I explore emotional fears, expand physical limits, break mental boundaries and fulfill forbidden desires. I passionately mix love, torture, sex, fear, pleasure, pain, anguish, lust, trust and I test faith. I want to see tears of joy, tears of pain, tears of love, tears of pleasure and tears from fear... I like it when they cry.

See RS this is why I adore you! :)

OP,
I am also a sadistic dacryphile by your definition. I enjoy sadistic and rough play. Both physically and emotionally. Like RS I LOVE the serious dangers that enhance the reality of play water torture, cutting, asphyxiation and beat downs of various sorts.

I also enjoy being on the receiving end of the same type of play and being brought to tears. I admit that doesn't happen often.

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RE: Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking ... - 6/27/2013 1:42:48 PM

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I've always found BDSM to be of the most use to me when tears were the point. Good luck in your research. It sounds cool.

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RE: Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking ... - 6/27/2013 6:05:36 PM

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I am also a sadistic dacryphile. Because the things I enjoy doing involve a lot of pain I've toned it down and bottled up a lot of my interests. I've learned to feel partially satisfied from the reaction without the tears, although there have been many many times in the past where I feel like pushing harder and crossing lines that have already been drawn to get the tearful reaction so that I can feel completely satisfied.

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RE: Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking ... - 6/27/2013 6:31:02 PM

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quote:

I contacted the professor directly, this is legit.

Eh? I thought he was a doctor, not a professor. Which is it?

ETA according to his staff profile he is a professor. Richard, why did you get his title wrong - have you not known him for long, perhaps?

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RE: Dacryphilia research - anyone interested in taking ... - 6/27/2013 7:46:03 PM

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This has him listed with his M.D. credential, so that means while doing research he would be called Doctor. Not The Doctor, but Doctor nonetheless.

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