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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 8:44:00 PM   
DomKen


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

I imagine many people are stunned by the magnitude of shooting someone at close range, especially for the first time. And, I personally have felt the need to pace when I was shedding adrenaline.

I had no problem with the pacing. It is the not trying to get some distance in case he had not incapacitated Martin with the first shot.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 8:45:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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Now before we go on and on... show me a law where it says you cannot follow someone... then show me another law where you can't ask someone what are you doing here... then show me another law that says you have to run before you can defend yourself if attacked.

In the sane parts of the country, where the NRA isn't allowed to write laws, there is always a duty to retreat except when attacked in your own home.

In sane parts of the country where laws aren't written by the Brady bunch people aren't required to get shot before they fight back.
See how easy it is?

No one has rewritten existing law about self defense except the NRA and those laws are causing a lot of trouble.
For instance this guy
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/17/justice/florida-music-shooting
could potentially get off because he "heard" threats and thought he "saw" a gun. A duty to retreat saves lives and SYG is getting people killed for no good reason.

TAZZY HERE ARE TWO OF THE COMMENTS YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE HAD BEEN MADE

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 8:45:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Ah so a paraphrase by you... against people you dont like... yet you try to pass them off as quotes. And then your buddies come along and echo your sentiments as if they were gospel.

And neither of you can be sure who said it. Amazing.

"Child" was used appropriately, as much as that may upset you. Its been used multiple times by those citing case law. Its also been used a few times by certain people, and yes, I know who they are.

The legal definition of a child is....

The legal definition of child generally refers to a minor, otherwise known as a person younger than the age of majority.[1]

17 fits that legal definition. If it upsets you that its being used, then deal with the law, not the one's who are using the term.

This sums up my feelings about this whole mess....

"In this day and age of 24-hour cable crap devoted to feeding the voyeuristic gluttony of an American public hooked on a bad soap opera that’s passing itself off as important"


I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm against anyone or don't like them. I certainly disagree with the anti gun agenda and I'm just illustrating its absurdity. When I started the list I paraphrased the first 3 items and then started at the beginning through page 48 copying and pasting quotes to the List. When I previewed the post I remembered some one referred to TM as a child and I added it in before I posted.

I don't care what the legal definition of a child is, 17 isn't my idea of a child. I wonder how Webster would define it.


< Message edited by lovmuffin -- 7/1/2013 8:49:29 PM >

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 8:46:08 PM   
truckinslave


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Status: offline 		When they commit violent crimes, such as assault,criminals significantly younger than 17 are often treated as adults.


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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 8:46:28 PM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
When handgun control writes a law depriving a person of the right to have the means to defend themselves they have rewritten a law about self defense.

If you think you need a gun to defend yourself you are a fool
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When stop attempts to let the person fight back before they are seriously injured, same thing.

That's not the law anywhere
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When they pass a law that gets a person arrested because the paperwork on a gun they brought into the state legally hasn't gone through that is rewriting self defense law.

citation please
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And if they manage to repeal SYG anywhere that to will be rewriting self defense law.

Do you not get it? People are getting killed because of that law. Combining shall issue concealed carry laws and SYG means complete buffoons who shouldn't even own a gun are going about in public armed and they are shooting people because of things like a disagreement over loud music.

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The real point being that SYG does not indicate insanity anymore than your wanting to repeal it does, no matter how good it makes you feel to declare those you disagree with to be insane doesn't make it so.

Sorry but no. We have centuries of experience with a self defense including a duty to retreat and it worked very well. Removing it has led to numerous problems. Why not admit the experiment was a failure and go back to a regime we know works?


AND ANOTHER

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 8:46:58 PM   
DomKen


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

What was Zimmerman thinking, holstering his weapon while Trayvon Martin was still alive and -- in his narrative -- a potential threat?

How about that he didn't want Martin to die.

No evidence exists that Zimmerman checked Martin's vital signs or attempted to render any aid at all. He didn't know Martin was dead until the police told him during the interview at the station.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 8:52:16 PM   
truckinslave


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

What was Zimmerman thinking, holstering his weapon while Trayvon Martin was still alive and -- in his narrative -- a potential threat?

How about that he didn't want Martin to die.

No evidence exists that Zimmerman checked Martin's vital signs or attempted to render any aid at all. He didn't know Martin was dead until the police told him during the interview at the station.


That he didn't want Martin to die is evidenced by the fact that he only shot him once (which is actually sort of uncommon for one fighting for their life. Such persons sometimes empty the firearm into their now-prostrate assailants).

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 8:59:30 PM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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I believe the police were correct when they said there was no crime to begin with... Then the pressure started coming from both citizens that knew nothing of the case except it was white on black and politicians. To keep their jobs they charged and are prosecuting Zimmerman knowing there is no way they can convict him... There just is not a case and so far the evidence presented backs that up.


17 year old child is walking home in his own neighborhood. A third party aggressor follows him, an altercation ensues, and the aggressor shoots the unarmed child dead.

What role did race have?

If the child had been white, criminal charges would have been filed immediately.

HERE IS THE FIRST RENDITION OF THE CHILD COMMENT

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 9:04:00 PM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		Who else used the expression "boy" from your own list?

Raiikun calling him "boy"

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4480611

Raiikun calling him "kid"

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4484209

BitYakin calling him a "kid"

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4481076

kdsub calling him a "kid"

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4481634

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4482259


Racerjim calling him "kid"

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4484257

BamaD who obviously does not know the legal definition of "child"

A minor, not a child, and you are right when someone is banging your head on the ground their age is the least of your worries.

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4484532

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I don't care what the legal definition of a child is, 17 isn't my idea of a child. I wonder how Webster would define it.


All your rants about legalities here and suddenly you dont care about legalities?

Definition of CHILD

1
a : an unborn or recently born person
b dialect : a female infant
2
a : a young person especially between infancy and youth
b : a childlike or childish person
c : a person not yet of age

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child

When you star throwing stones and naming names, make sure you get all the names. There are a few on your list of the "elite" who have made the same offences you seem to take great delight in berating others about.

Glass houses.....

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 9:11:28 PM   
tazzygirl


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TAZZY HERE ARE TWO OF THE COMMENTS YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE HAD BEEN MADE


I NEVER SAID THEY WERENT MADE.

Now, lets get civilized for a moment, shall we?

I dont accept anyone's "word". Make allegations, be prepared to back them up. Didnt take me long to prove his list was a farce.

Who is into the gun discussion here?

Might want to reconsider the one who made the list.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 9:22:38 PM   
BitYakin


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Who else used the expression "boy" from your own list?

Raiikun calling him "boy"

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4480611

Raiikun calling him "kid"

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4484209

BitYakin calling him a "kid"

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4481076

kdsub calling him a "kid"

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4481634

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4482259


Racerjim calling him "kid"

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4484257

BamaD who obviously does not know the legal definition of "child"

A minor, not a child, and you are right when someone is banging your head on the ground their age is the least of your worries.

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4484532

quote:

I don't care what the legal definition of a child is, 17 isn't my idea of a child. I wonder how Webster would define it.


All your rants about legalities here and suddenly you dont care about legalities?

Definition of CHILD

1
a : an unborn or recently born person
b dialect : a female infant
2
a : a young person especially between infancy and youth
b : a childlike or childish person
c : a person not yet of age

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child

When you star throwing stones and naming names, make sure you get all the names. There are a few on your list of the "elite" who have made the same offences you seem to take great delight in berating others about.

Glass houses.....


I did not call him a kid, I was quoting the person I was replying to

sorry I didn't use quotation marks

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 9:23:56 PM   
Edwynn


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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ummmm since he is neighborhood watch, watching kinda IS his business


I doubt there is a formal neighborhood watch anywhere in my little home town. We're all on watch. And I report anything I see, and approach anyone who doesn't seem to belong.
Even the feds say we are all on neighborhood watch... "If you see something, say something"

(If they attack you and put you in fear of your life, shoot them)



If I saw you following someone else, I would report that. Or I might come up to you and ask WTF you're doing. If I actually saw you 'approaching' someone else, I and others would stop that directly. We would wait for the cops to deal with you after that. Maybe.

Where I grew up, the only people actually following another had no good intentions. That's how the world worked, and how it still does in the real world.

I don't care how much you people try to turn the world upside down based on this one instance, but it's not flying here.


In your past lives, you and GZ were merely nosy neighbors who arrogated to yourselves the moral connivance needed to stick your fat noses where they didn't belong, in everybody else's business, guilty until proven innocent being in your blood. But now with the carry and SYG laws, it's gone to another, dangerous level.

A free and independent society has no use for the likes of you and the other nutjob deranged-variant Barney Fifes whatsoever.

Pig or punk, no amount of moralistic lipstick is going to change anybody's mind what you're really on about.


As should be clear by now, no community in their right mind would consider themselves as being 'safer' with a GZ in their midst to begin with, much less as having him being in any neighborhood watch position.






< Message edited by Edwynn -- 7/1/2013 10:21:47 PM >

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 9:26:02 PM   
tazzygirl


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I did not call him a kid, I was quoting the person I was replying to

sorry I didn't use quotation marks


Then you are screwed. You can thank luvmuffin for that.

Down here in the "basement" we tend to get picky about how we post, for just these reasons.

You can try and insist, now, that you meant something else... but its not going to fly.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 9:29:54 PM   
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Definition of CHILD



child |CHīld|
noun ( pl. children |ˈCHildrən| )
a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 9:30:58 PM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		Yes, I even posted the legal definition.

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Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
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Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 9:31:43 PM   
cloudboy


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

WHO called Trayvon a "child"?


I did, for one.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 9:33:23 PM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		lol... that question was asked after his list. If you notice, many on his list made the same comments. Which is why I kept asking "Who".

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Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 9:38:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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I did not call him a kid, I was quoting the person I was replying to

sorry I didn't use quotation marks


Then you are screwed. You can thank luvmuffin for that.

Down here in the "basement" we tend to get picky about how we post, for just these reasons.

You can try and insist, now, that you meant something else... but its not going to fly.



well if you click the link and read the entire post it should be clear to anyone with reading comprehension skills

but pretend anything you like!

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 9:40:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Who else used the expression "boy" from your own list?

Raiikun calling him "boy"

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4480611

Raiikun calling him "kid"

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4484209

BitYakin calling him a "kid"

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4481076

kdsub calling him a "kid"

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4481634

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4482259


Racerjim calling him "kid"

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4484257

BamaD who obviously does not know the legal definition of "child"

A minor, not a child, and you are right when someone is banging your head on the ground their age is the least of your worries.

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4484532

quote:

I don't care what the legal definition of a child is, 17 isn't my idea of a child. I wonder how Webster would define it.


All your rants about legalities here and suddenly you dont care about legalities?

Definition of CHILD

1
a : an unborn or recently born person
b dialect : a female infant
2
a : a young person especially between infancy and youth
b : a childlike or childish person
c : a person not yet of age

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child

When you star throwing stones and naming names, make sure you get all the names. There are a few on your list of the "elite" who have made the same offences you seem to take great delight in berating others about.

Glass houses.....

He was a minor but anyone old enough to join the military can hardly be considered a child.
The term was a misleading description bringing forth images of a 6 year old on his tricycle

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 9:41:30 PM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		No quotes.... what you said does not match what he said.... you used the same word "kid" as he did.

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Why was the kid yelling..."get off....get off?


The post you were replying too....

Your post....

quote:

1st of all you don't KNOW it was the KID yelling get off get off, "experts" seem to be split on WHO was yelling...


You didnt quote him, you used your own words. Own up to your mistakes

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Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

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