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njlauren -> RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage legal today, DOMA overturned. Are we next?=- (6/29/2013 3:18:25 PM)
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ORIGINAL: DonGiovani
Although I tend to run along conservative lines most of the time, this ruling was, in my mind, a long time coming. I have no dog in this race... what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes is none of my damned business.
But the fact that Federal rights and privileges are being denied to American citizens strikes me as being explicitly unAmerican.
And that's not what we're about. Congratulations to all this affects.
That is what a lot of conservatives have figured out, that you cannot be conservative, champion freedom from government oppression, and yet allow denial of rights based on religious dogma, it doesn't sit well when you say you want freedom, and then put limits on it based on one groups beliefs. It is why Ted Olsen fought proposition 8 (who is no liberal), it is why people like even Dick Cheney and Bob Barr are saying that constitutional bans on same sex marriage are wrong and that the federal government shouldn't decide what is a legal marriage. It is why the Pauls are phony libertarians, both of whom want to 'break up the government', yet both of whom support same sex marriage bans and moral law as civic law, which is bullshit as libertarian doctrine. It is why the GOP is in deep trouble, they keep appealing to their social conservative/religious right base and pander to them, and it is turning off otherwise conservative people, they are making themselves look like a bunch of rednecks.
The issue with same sex mariage among opponents isn't saving marriage , the real reason is they feel if you legitimize same sex marriage, it is the government 'condoning sin', and they want government to discourage 'the homosexual lifestyle'.....Douthat is basically saying that it isn't fair if people object to homosexuality on religious grounds they be tarred as bigots, but the real bigotry isn't their belief, it is them using those beliefs to use the law to hurt others.....Douthat also cited something that is complete bs, he had a link to where the Methodist church got in trouble in NJ for refusing to rent a gazebo on church owned property to a same sex couples...what Douthat left out is the Methodist church received green acres money and tax abatements for making the boardwalk in Ocean Grove open to the public, and in doing so, that gazebo, part of the boardwalk, would be covered by non discrimination laws, since they take state money. If the Methodists wanted to be able to refuse same sex couples, they simply would not take tax breaks and such from the government.
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