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Best D/s change? - 6/27/2013 9:30:23 AM   
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This applies to lots of of things we do but as we go along we change how we do things. So the question is, what change in your view of D/s made the biggest improvement in your outcomes? Why caused you to see the need to change, what did you change, what helped you change, and what sort of improvements did you experience?
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RE: Best D/s change? - 6/27/2013 10:23:54 AM   
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I'll take a stab at answering. I just hope that the interpretation I have of what was asked was along the lines of what you had in mind when you created this thread

The biggest change I think I've experienced when it comes to D/s was the shift in how I viewed what it meant to be a dominant. When I first got involved in this 18 years ago, I was a 22 year old who thought that as a dominant female...it was all about me all the time. It was all about what was to be done FOR me. In looking back, I think I was incredibly selfish and clueless about what dominance really meant. But sssshhhhh, don't tell anyone I said that.

I think what prompted my delving inside myself was the same outcome occurring. Everything seemed so shallow and superficial in my relationships at that time with D/s. it was never this deeper level of connectedness with another that I read about in the books that I read that are now available on ResidentSadist's book list. My epiphany came when I realized that I was a Do-Me Mistress who was attracting only do-me submissives. I wasn't the one in control. I was being controlled. That was the wake up call I needed.

I stopped referring to myself as Mistress. To this day, I still don't. I am a dominant female and that's as far as it goes. I quit looking to others to bring everything to the table as far as D/s goes. I realized the responsibility that comes with assuming care, custody, and control of another human being. I stopped seeing submissives as tools to meet my needs, but rather to see them as a partner in the collaborative effort I realized D/s was. Don't get me wrong, I love having my needs met by another. I just discovered that it was a two-way street and I bore equal responsibility to make it work. Hell...I bore more responsibility. I began attending workshops and other BDSM educational opportunities. I had to guide, to mentor, to teach...not just expect it to be handed to me just because I said I was who I was. There is no shame in my game when it comes to knowing that for me, D/s is one of those continuing education type situations. Realizing my own dominance didn't mean I magically arrived at the apex of the mountain. I still had to navigate my way up to the peak...and then continue navigating down the other side. Because there will always be another mountain on the horizon to climb.

Is this kind of what you had in mind, Michael? Or did I just blow my dominant street cred?

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RE: Best D/s change? - 6/27/2013 10:31:12 AM   
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Good questions!

You probably want a more specific answer but "more experience" would probably be my answer to:
"what change in your view of D/s made the biggest improvement in your outcomes?"
I'm not really sure if "becoming more heartless and ruthless" counts as an improvement, but I guess it's been good for 'D/s outcomes' heh...

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RE: Best D/s change? - 6/27/2013 10:31:37 AM   
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That was amazing! Intimate, revealing, honest, and open.

The thread was prompted by many things but a journal that went viral on fet drove the final nail in. it was about cutting a collar off. It was heartfelt by a well meaning guy but he utterly failed to "get it" and people were too cluless to get it either. Bottom line is he thinks they failed at D/s because they couldn't keep the story of o bullshit going and he states that things work.better without the D/s! BO, things are working better because tgey dropped the.make believe rolls, are actually talking about their needs and expectations! The sad reality us before the were licing in make believe D/s and now they arent.

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RE: Best D/s change? - 6/27/2013 11:50:36 AM   
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Our best change was when we went from no D/s dynamic in our relationship to one.  It was, in my opinion, necessary in order for our relationship to survive.  

Before, I was more in the dominant role.  I had to be in control of everything and be the leader.  I had
difficulty seeing his value.  I hated it.  I felt resentment towards him because of it.  I stopped trying to communicate.  I was unhappy.  He was unhappy.  He went his separate way and I was okay with that. 

Just when things were about to become finalized, he had a change of heart.  We had a long discussion, I was finally able to communicate more effectively.  It turned out what I wanted was what he needed. 

This all happened before any BDSM or D/s knowledge came into play. Which, I'm thinking, may have been beneficial to us.
So, we didn't, and still currently don't, have titles for each other.  I do not call him sir or master (except for in a 'say uncle' way).  We don't have any rules or rituals.  We are just who we are and it has been working out FANTASTIC for both of us. 

Although we were not into D/s before, we were still playing uncomfortable roles that made the relationship more of a job.  It required way too much work and heartache to pretend to fit into a role not meant for us to play.  It was necessary for our relationship to grow as much as we had each as individuals. 

I can't see many changes being made from here but we are (hopefully) always growing and learning.  I have learned from our past that it's important for a role to fit us instead of us trying to fit into a role.

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RE: Best D/s change? - 6/27/2013 3:15:47 PM   
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The biggest change in my view of D/s was when I realized it wasn't for me . . . I used it as lifestyle relationship tool not a temporary role play.
I changed my partner selection requirements to slaves suited for M/s only.
The improvements I experienced was the quality of the relationships and how the high compatibility truly enhanced my life without burden.




I am a giver. I put the house or relationship first, "non mihi non tibi sed nobis" (not for you, not for me, but for us). Oh, I am the house leader but I lead us to common goals that satisfy all in the house. In my view, a poly . . . take a triad as example . . . a good triad for me is not two relationships with two other people . . . it is three relationships, the first being the group (family/house), then your interpersonal relationship with each of the others.

When I uncover my partners' life goals, desires and fantasies, we will be living them out because they become part of the house mission. I have no tolerance for "conditional surrender" or the rapidly shifting goals and terms of those still on self discovery. Sure, I am flexible and can sit periodically to adjust our goals but I have zero tolerance for the endless negotiations of a submissive or those lost souls without self awareness who are still trying to find out who they are.

Why would I partner up in the first place if we didn't have common ground? One set of discoveries and negotiations is plenty, now lets get on with it. So changing from D/s to M/s as a lifestyle relationship was a good move in my world.

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RE: Best D/s change? - 6/27/2013 5:22:16 PM   
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That it's no different than life in general.


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RE: Best D/s change? - 7/1/2013 4:00:50 AM   
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quote:

I have learned from our past that it's important for a role to fit us instead of us trying to fit into a role.


Very wise words indeed.

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RE: Best D/s change? - 7/1/2013 7:11:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ARIES83

Good questions!

You probably want a more specific answer but "more experience" would probably be my answer to:
"what change in your view of D/s made the biggest improvement in your outcomes?"
I'm not really sure if "becoming more heartless and ruthless" counts as an improvement, but I guess it's been good for 'D/s outcomes' heh...


That's always an improvement. ;)
Nothing wrong with heartless and ruthless.

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RE: Best D/s change? - 7/1/2013 10:05:57 AM   
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you think so? I'm undecided on that score...

I had so much love to give when I was younger, now all I seem to do is take.
Being attracted has become a matter of appreciation, and it doesn't even last long, I can't even remember what the last girlfriend looked like exactly... well I remember what her boobs looked like.

I'm not even sure if I "feel" compassion/sympathy anymore, or is it just etiquette...
I don't feel much thats for sure.




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RE: Best D/s change? - 7/1/2013 10:15:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ARIES83

you think so? I'm undecided on that score...

I had so much love to give when I was younger, now all I seem to do is take.
Being attracted has become a matter of appreciation, and it doesn't even last long, I can't even remember what the last girlfriend looked like exactly... well I remember what her boobs looked like.

I'm not even sure if I "feel" compassion/sympathy anymore, or is it just etiquette...
I don't feel much thats for sure.





Any chance one is the result of the other?

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RE: Best D/s change? - 7/1/2013 10:24:46 AM   
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what are you referring to?
(too/to? what is the right "to" in that circumstance?)

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RE: Best D/s change? - 7/1/2013 10:28:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ARIES83

I'm not even sure if I "feel" compassion/sympathy anymore, or is it just etiquette...
I don't feel much thats for sure.



IS THE CAUSE OF:


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I can't even remember what the last girlfriend looked like exactly... well I remember what her boobs looked like.



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RE: Best D/s change? - 7/1/2013 10:45:44 AM   
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probably...

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RE: Best D/s change? - 7/1/2013 10:55:05 AM   
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You said you had "too much love to give" which could mean a million things, some healthy, some not. I would suggest you look into "co-dependence" as it is often found with people who fit your pattern. Its a very common issue and one even an average vanilla therapist can help overcome.

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RE: Best D/s change? - 7/1/2013 11:06:26 AM   
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I didn't say or mean that

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RE: Best D/s change? - 7/1/2013 5:19:31 PM   
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"To" would be the correct term.


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RE: Best D/s change? - 7/1/2013 5:26:44 PM   
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When I realized that I was the one doing her a favor when I beat the shit out of her.
Sounds silly, right?
Stupid as fuck, even.
But for years I crashed real hard post play, wrestled with lots and lots of guilt and conflict, trying to reconcile being a decent man and a sadistic animal who thrives and gets off on hurting women. Even worse, women who loved me deeply and gave me everything.
But one day I came to the epiphany (Led there by the nose by a slave, as usual)that she was going to get what she needed, relationship wise, whether I was in the picture or not. And that I was a lot more experienced, safer, had her best interests in heart and was an all around better dude than 99% of the potential applicants/prospects, In fact, she wasn't doing me a solid, but I was doing her one, by being able to fully give who and what I was in an interaction.
Now, obviously over the years that's grown to become a 'We are doing each other a solid," thing, but yeah, the genesis, that root idea, that gave me the freedom to be the man i needed to be guilt free.
That shit was, and is, awesome.

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RE: Best D/s change? - 7/1/2013 7:32:37 PM   
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Did you shed your morals or did you adjust them to see yourself as a "decent man" even though you hurt her?

I too have a beast. I keep on a tight leash. I let it out only with those I trust the most, but it is an amoral beast confined only by higher logic not the laws or morals of man. I do not see it or me as "decent" nor do I justify it. I accept the contradiction and feel our ever evolving society might not have it all sorted out yet. What was not decent then is decent now.

I see violence where others do not. A breakfast table decorated with flowers is a beautiful and violent offering to me. It is a reminder that nature is not decent and really quite violent, like me. The flowers are really the severed reproductive genitalia of plants. The eggs are the unborn children of chickens. Toast is made from the ground up reproductive seeds of wheat and your coffee is brewed from the reproductive seeds of the Arabica or Robusta Coffee plant. What could possible brighten a table filled with fried, boiled and toasted unborn children of animals and seeds of plants than a bouquet of severed genitalia? Hopefully the display floral genitalia is a sexual reminder to those that view it.

That is how my day starts. A sacrifice from nature costing the lives of animals and plants. So I accept that some will see me as a good man with bad pleasures, to others I am just that bad man. I am ok with either image. Some people have no awareness of what they eat for breakfast. I was lucky and I gave up on decent in my teens. I eat breakfast with irreverent gusto, same for BDSM.

The Rolling Stones brought light to what I had originally thought were some of my darker perspectives in my youth. From two songs in my youth:

"You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes, well you might find
You get what you need"
- You can't always get what you want

We all need someone we can feed on
And if you want it, well you can feed on me
Take my arm, take my leg
Oh, baby, don't you take my head

We all need someone we can bleed on
And if you want it, baby, well you can bleed on me
We all need someone we can bleed on
And if you want it, why don't you bleed on me
- Let it Bleed

. . . and I learned I didn't just want, but needed to feed my inner beast. It was dumbshit luck that my parents instilled good relationship skills in me at an early age. I knew that it was an exchange, I knew "we were doing each other a solid" even if she was left crying and bleeding . . . even if my inner beast took a bite outta' her . . . even if I made a mistake and hurt her more than intended, it was all part of our human violent nature. Learning, making mistakes and even the intentional wounds were part of the exchange. BDSM wasn't even remotely considered safe in 1971 (SSC started in 1983).

Did you shed your morals, adjust them to see yourself differently or was it something else? I ask in all sincerity because I see a BIG gap between my view and the world view. I don't mind being and outlaw or an outcast. I have rather enjoyed the freedoms it brings. But if you found a bridge that puts your self image in accord, I would enjoy seeing things, like breakfast, a little differently.

As far as the OP goes, this entire reply relates to how learning to embrace the truth of it, the beauty of it freed me up and changed my style, my perspectives. I was thirteen when Crowly The Book of the Law and De Sade's Letter From Prison

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"
- Crowley (The Book of the Law or Liber AL vel Legis)

De Sade explained how morals are bullshit and only serve to mark your geography. Arab culture holds the highest distain for thieves, cutting off their hand when caught. Americans hold thieves up as icons of independence and people like Jesse James and other bank robbers are akin to celebrities and heroes. I came to terms with social and cultural conflicts like and the raw, indecent, violent, painful unfair nature of things and learned to see it as beautiful. I gave up doing the "right thing" or being 'decent man' and started doing the things that felt good and rang true to my nature. Boy did my style change quick.

I think flowers are very pretty, but I may see them in a different light than many of you.





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ORIGINAL: Kana
When I realized that I was the one doing her a favor when I beat the shit out of her.
Sounds silly, right?
Stupid as fuck, even.
But for years I crashed real hard post play, wrestled with lots and lots of guilt and conflict, trying to reconcile being a decent man and a sadistic animal who thrives and gets off on hurting women. Even worse, women who loved me deeply and gave me everything.
But one day I came to the epiphany (Led there by the nose by a slave, as usual)that she was going to get what she needed, relationship wise, whether I was in the picture or not. And that I was a lot more experienced, safer, had her best interests in heart and was an all around better dude than 99% of the potential applicants/prospects, In fact, she wasn't doing me a solid, but I was doing her one, by being able to fully give who and what I was in an interaction.
Now, obviously over the years that's grown to become a 'We are doing each other a solid," thing, but yeah, the genesis, that root idea, that gave me the freedom to be the man i needed to be guilt free.
That shit was, and is, awesome.



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RE: Best D/s change? - 7/1/2013 7:35:03 PM   
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