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Charles6682 -> RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm (7/5/2013 10:58:29 PM)

Is there some great "common good" out of BDSM? I think that really depends on the person answering that question. I do feel personally that I have benefitted greatly from my submissive nature into my "vanilla life". Of course, rather then seeing everything as separate, I choose to view my submission and my "vanilla" life as a greater "whole". In a unique way, I have managed to be able to practice my submission in a productive manner. As far as the "Lifestyle" or "Community" itself. Its simple, like any person in life, if they are descent people, I love to hang around people like that, regardless of or lack o kink. If someone is an ass-hole period, I wouldn't waste my breath around people like that, regardless of or lack of kink. Misery loves company. Let the miserable people rot together. Lifes too short for negativity.



galleyslave -> RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm (7/6/2013 2:02:31 AM)

you're right, but it's all about your soul, not your body. I'm just interested in BDSM's influence on human bodies' development, a simple and essential question everybody ignores! Ladies and gentlemen! Is it too difficult to be simple and start improving your life with this rational simplicity?



hrxxx -> RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm (7/6/2013 2:36:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: galleyslave

you're right, but it's all about your soul, not your body. I'm just interested in BDSM's influence on human bodies' development, a simple and essential question everybody ignores! Ladies and gentlemen! Is it too difficult to be simple and start improving your life with this rational simplicity?


There is no influence, sadomasochism is psychological, not biological, it is very easy to understand
Richard von Krafft-Ebing
Sigmund Freud
Isidor Isaac Sadger



MAINEiacMISTRESS -> RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm (7/6/2013 3:44:47 AM)

Well, My grandmother lived to 101, was well educated, highly intelligent, strong willed, and I'm pretty confident from sifting through all her belongings when she passed, she never practiced any BDSM.

Aside from the points the others made against your theory, I'd also like to point out that a lot of BDSM, D/s, TPE, etc. etc. etc. is centered around *NON*-SEXUALITY. Many of us enjoy these activities expressly for the rush of adrenaline and endorphins...some enjoy it for the cozy feeling of safety, or the thrill of possibly getting caught. I'm sure these are all somehow biologically based, adrenaline, endorphins, oxytocin, etc. We all have our reasons.

Also, your theory is further flawed in that you purposely exclude other species...I know of several examples of animals that enjoy some degree of pain. Hell, I've got a cat that goes BONKERS if you have a flyswatter in your hand, and begs to be SLAPPED with it. She arches her back and poofs up her tail, indicating intense pleasure. If you stop she gets really pissed and might bite you (the fact that she dominates My husband but acts submissive to Me indicates she's a "switch", LOL). Here is a series of cat spanking videos to support this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=517yf9XkQdk



Charles6682 -> RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm (7/6/2013 4:26:51 AM)

I do think there is some science behind BDSM but I don't see how it relates to us being better "humans" because of it, at least not in the sense of the evolution scale. I see my submission as "soul searching" and I have improved my life because of that. But beyond that, I don't think there is some "greater purpose" to this Lifestyle on a physical level. That part is just having kinks and enjoying those kinks. Nothing too much beyond that. On a "soul searching" aspect, sure, I do think BDSM can help enhance someones quality of life and maybe even direction in life.



chatterbox24 -> RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm (7/6/2013 7:35:07 AM)

Yikes I think my head is gonna explode again.

Way over my head! I have to break that down to terms I can understand and use what is my own common sense.

Everything in moderation, there is always the chance of too much of something. Whether good or bad. Its all about balance. I think bdsm has aspects to it, of pain and pleasure that is very enlightening to the soul. Making choices, becoming the best people we can be, or the worst. That's the beauty we all have a choice. I believe every soul has a chance of a beautiful immortality. I don't believe a physical body will ever be immortal, at least not on earth. Gess I am very glad to know this, it would be tortourous to live forever in old decaying bones. You could be perfect but the environment is still gonna kill ya. Constant abuse of the body, whether consensual or not, is gonna do damage, lasting damage whether you see it now with your eyes or not. Too much pleasure will kill ya, too much pain will kill ya. ITs all about balance.
At the moment someone dies, if they are on a scale, there is a very slight weight change in that individual. Now something is happening, that soul, if you believe in that type of thing is going somewhere, but is it immortal or just gone is the question. Maybe we all can discuss it on the other side, sometime LOL?



SeekingTrinity -> RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm (7/6/2013 9:16:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: galleyslave

you're right, but it's all about your soul, not your body. I'm just interested in BDSM's influence on human bodies' development, a simple and essential question everybody ignores! Ladies and gentlemen! Is it too difficult to be simple and start improving your life with this rational simplicity?


Personally I think you are so wrapped in your own theories and fantasies that you cant see beyond it. Speaking rudely and in a condescending manner towards others who dont share your same skewed slant towards this doesnt do much to further your cause.



njlauren -> RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm (7/6/2013 10:24:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity


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ORIGINAL: galleyslave

you're right, but it's all about your soul, not your body. I'm just interested in BDSM's influence on human bodies' development, a simple and essential question everybody ignores! Ladies and gentlemen! Is it too difficult to be simple and start improving your life with this rational simplicity?


Personally I think you are so wrapped in your own theories and fantasies that you cant see beyond it. Speaking rudely and in a condescending manner towards others who dont share your same skewed slant towards this doesnt do much to further your cause.

Basically, what you are seeing is a classic case of mental masturbation at work, it reminds me of most composers of modern classical music, who are so impressed with their tone rows and with their tone poem depicting what belly button lint feels like when it is thrown out, that they forget they are making music.

The whole everything has to be about evolution, the whole evolutionary biology driving everything, is much like the work of early psychiatrists and psychologists who needed to explain everything in terms of trauma and neuroses and what not, they forgot Freud's maxim, that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Pontificating about the root causes of BD/SM in the end is playing with yourself, because whatever the cause of it, it exists, people live into it in various ways, and knowing whether it is evolutionary biology (which with things like gender roles and other stuff I find exceedinly annoying for the same reasons), and in the end, knowing the cause doesn't change that fact, and quite frankly it doesn't do anything useful other then make those who pontificate on why seem like geniuses.

As far as helping with aging, the hormonal effect, while I do think that the loss of hormones as we get older is part of the reason we degenerate as we get older (and why doctors are finally, with serious research on the subject out there showing how much of aging is hormonal), I doubt BD/SM in dominants and submissives causes hormone flow to reducing aging, for a lot of reasons. I think having fun does keep you young, I think anything that makes you want to live live is a good thing, but in terms of it being medicinal, I would put that in the collumn of wishful thinking.



galleyslave -> RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm (7/8/2013 9:17:49 PM)

perhaps, in some more or less remote future, bdsm will become so common that nearly each one would include it in his/her life-cycle, then, I/m sure, my theory or something of that kind would become popular. When I speak of a galley slavery, you imagine dirty exhausted rowers sitting on their benches at least for days, don't you? But why not 15 minutes? why not just a single, if any, whip-stroke per session? The realization of this theory might be extremely light, still it will work out! No damage to the body, just much easier than what so many masochists allow to do with them daily.



UllrsIshtar -> RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm (7/8/2013 9:42:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: galleyslave

perhaps, in some more or less remote future, bdsm will become so common that nearly each one would include it in his/her life-cycle, then, I/m sure, my theory or something of that kind would become popular. When I speak of a galley slavery, you imagine dirty exhausted rowers sitting on their benches at least for days, don't you? But why not 15 minutes? why not just a single, if any, whip-stroke per session? The realization of this theory might be extremely light, still it will work out! No damage to the body, just much easier than what so many masochists allow to do with them daily.


Galley slavery IS impractical. It would require an immense setup that would be in the way all other times, and serves no practical purpose.

I don't appose your idea of working a slave hard at all. Hell, I've had weekend sessions where the entire thing basically consisted of the sub working himself in the ground at my command, and then at night got quartered in abysmal conditions, to get up in the morning, sore all over, and do it all again.

The thing is, if I'm going to spend my time doing something like that, I'm going to get some useful work out of it, and not just stand there and watch somebody pretend to row for 15 minutes when there is so much actual work I'd then afterwards need to get done myself.

Slavery that has as its point being useless seems rather... useless... to me.



Apocalypso -> RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm (7/9/2013 7:18:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: galleyslave
As a scientist,


Hmm. What's your field of expertise, if you don't mind me asking? (I suspect engineer, but that's shrewish of me).

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I can definitely tell that's what the real science is about: if there is no abstract proof, then the experiment rules!

Um, no. If we're talking about the hard sciences, an experiment generally takes place in controlled conditions with the purpose of proving or disproving a specific hypothesis. Not chucking stuff out there to see if any of it sticks to the wall. Apart from anything else, you haven't explained how you propose to falsify your theory, which means it's not currently compatible with the scientific method.

If you want to get into crazy pseudo-science immortality stuff, I suggest you look at cyronics. It's still woo, but at least it's cool futuretech woo.



MasterCaneman -> RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm (7/9/2013 9:34:22 AM)

I like the term "mental masturbation". Very apt here, but again, I'll tip my hat to the OP for a very sexy fantasy. It would be hilariously impractical, but if some über-wealthy kinkster wanted to do it, I could see a 24 foot whaleboat with an overhead deck on a very private lake. A mono-,bi-, or trireme might be a bit much, even for a billionaire. And considering the cost of boat fuel, this could have a practical side as well. Although it may be titch hard on the rowers if the Top wanted to go waterskiing...



Charles6682 -> RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm (7/10/2013 5:46:22 AM)

Here's the thing with this. While I wish people in society to respect me for who I am, I need to respect people who aren't into kink. This "Lifestyle" isn't for everybody and it would be just as wrong for me to try and push this lifestyle on to others, as it would be equally wrong for someone to try and convince me I am wrong. There is no right or wrong answer here. Just whatever works best for that person.



galleyslave -> RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm (7/12/2013 6:05:17 PM)

hi again, the boat isn't necessarily to be a boat ... i mean it could be just an imitation, only a cell with oars installed into walls with some mechanisms imitating water resistance... or just rowing simulators sold in every sport equipment shop. It's so easy and no need for overwealth to be realized... just people are needed... the most precious thing in the world are people willing to do something...



MasterCaneman -> RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm (7/12/2013 11:11:44 PM)

Oh no, if you're gonna do something like that, you have to go all or nothing. No sims for this one, it's gotta be a real boat or no dice. Ankle shackles, whips and the drummer in back to keep the pace. Hell, maybe even stage a mock naval battle with Amazons on the upper deck. Yeahhhhh...[;)]



SeekingTrinity -> RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm (7/12/2013 11:21:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: galleyslave

hi again, the boat isn't necessarily to be a boat ... i mean it could be just an imitation, only a cell with oars installed into walls with some mechanisms imitating water resistance... or just rowing simulators sold in every sport equipment shop. It's so easy and no need for overwealth to be realized... just people are needed... the most precious thing in the world are people willing to do something...


The fantasy is strong with this one (said in my best Darth Vader voice...which isn't good at all. But hey, Im no James Earl Jones)



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