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zenofeller -> Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 12:06:22 PM)

If a sub/slave, would you expect your dominant to help you with your body size ? Should they help you follow a diet that you might not have the strength to follow on your own ?

If a Dominant/Master, do you consider keeping your sub/slave fit as part of your responsibility to them, along with keeping them from bodily harm ? Is diet and exercise something you ever consider ?

And ofcourse, anything else you may wish to add. (Ideally nothing about what your size is, how happy you are with it, how people should accept this or that and so forth)



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 12:08:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: zenofeller
If a sub/slave, would you expect your dominant to help you with your body size ? Should they help you follow a diet that you might not have the strength to follow on your own ?

I don't EXPECT it, but I have to say this is an area of weakness for me and I'm glad to have partners who can help offer their strength to me for it.

I see no reason why a relationship shouldn't help you become your most healthy and fulfilled- physically included.  This isn't a Ms issue for me, although I can't see why a slave would limit becoming healthy physically.

I've certainly told my partners that I want them to be strict and help me and they've both agreed to do it.

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Caretakr -> RE: Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 12:09:58 PM)

I think it is important that people who share intimacy support each other. Part of that is in remaining mentally and physically healthy-but it should be done out of compassion,not selfishness.



mistoferin -> RE: Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 12:12:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: zenofeller
If a sub/slave, would you expect your dominant to help you with your body size ? Should they help you follow a diet that you might not have the strength to follow on your own ?


Nope....I wouldn't expect it. I would hope that they would be supportive of me in all of my pursuits towards better health. But I don't expect anyone to take responsibility for things that are my responsibility.



zumala -> RE: Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 12:15:18 PM)

Could use and would appreciate the help to become and remain healthier.  Besides, the best leaders lead by example, so then I'd have company AND get to please my Dom in addition to becoming more healthy.  Sounds like a win-win situation to me.  [:)]
 
zuma



litleone8620 -> RE: Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 12:17:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: zenofeller

If a sub/slave, would you expect your dominant to help you with your body size ? Should they help you follow a diet that you might not have the strength to follow on your own ?



I would most definitely not expect it. It is something i would like to work on, and yes, a loved one, including a dominant would be helpful. But it's not something i would EXPECT him to help me with.



BitaTruble -> RE: Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 12:18:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: zenofeller

If a sub/slave, would you expect your dominant to help you with your body size ? Should they help you follow a diet that you might not have the strength to follow on your own ?



I expect Master to treat me as he wishes to treat me and do with me as he desires to do. There is no 'should' as no one dictates to Himself how things 'should' be in the treatment of his slave.

Celeste



akisha -> RE: Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 12:19:39 PM)

All i would expect is that they try not to sabotage my goals to get into better shape. Active support would be wonderful but as long as they don't show up at home with candy and blizzards then bitch when you refuse to eat them, then it's all good.




MistressDREAD -> RE: Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 12:19:59 PM)

Fit   and   Fat   are two different issues. BUT        Since YOUR doing Fat today...................

By My Dr., Im concidered fit.
By society Im concidered fat.
I eat resonably and exersice daily
as do My posessions. What size
I am is a product of genes, lifestyle,
and well being totally spoiled at all times.
Course as you can tell I like who and what
I am. I give equally to others what I give to
My self. I take care of all My posessions.



BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 12:28:03 PM)

quote:

If a Dominant/Master, do you consider keeping your sub/slave fit as part of your responsibility to them, along with keeping them from bodily harm ?
I don't consider keeping them fit as my responsibility, but would help with seeking information if he wanted that from me.   My first slave was a man with a hearty appetite who always complained about his size; for that reason, I used to not permit him to eat everything in sight when we were at a restaurant.   He was kind of greedy/gross about literally eating "everything" from mine and his plate, and not because he was still hungry.
quote:

Is diet and exercise something you ever consider ?
The only exercises I enjoy are dancing, sex, and walking in shopping centers for hours on end.   I also like romantic walks on beaches/shores and non-creepy tree-filled or flowery spaces...  For those things I enjoy doing, I would bring my boy along for the fun or exercise benefit...  Not the shopping part before the men who read this run off screaming, lol;   I prefer to shop alone rather than have someone restless/annoying me.  
Otherwise, I don't impose/oppose anyone's exercising habits.   If my boy enjoys exercising at the gym, I would permit him time to do that each day; if he doesn't, I won't be the one to make him join one.

My only hard limit, is someone who comes to me wanting to change me because I would be more perfect if...  That kind of person doesn't get to stay around me long, because the surest way to make me eat more is to tell me I cannot eat this/that, or to make me miserable with slow soul destroying criticism.

On the other hand, and perhaps for another thread, I wonder how subs/doms feel about serving/partnering with someone who is excessively thin, and wether they would impose/provide a more calorically dense diet.   I know weight in and of itself is not an indicator of health, but there is such a thing as being too thin.    M



hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 12:29:09 PM)

I don't expect my partner to make attempts to Change me - regardless of whether that's weight issues, emotional issues, smoking issues, or simply differences of opinion about sense of style.  I expect my partner to support my choices.  I expect my partner to care, regardless of differences in our perspectives.  However, if he expects to push me into changing to suit himself - rather than supporting a change that I am making because I initiated the change - I have little use for him.  If I ask him specifically to push me in a previously negotiated area that *I brought up which is personal rather than scene related - that falls under the catagory of him supporting my decisions.  If he liked me enough to take me on, he shouldn't feel any sort of Desire to push changes on me that I don't initiate.
 
(And rather apropo to this posting - playing on the radio here at home is a currently popular country song which asks the question "Why why why would you wanna change me now? Ain't I the one you loved everything about? You might start missin the old me around, so why why why would you wanna change me now?" )



Mercnbeth -> RE: Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 12:31:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: zenofeller

If a sub/slave, would you expect your dominant to help you with your body size ?


if it pleased Him, sure...but the whole thing is, this slave's body size is what it is and BECAUSE it pleases Him, there is no "help" necessary.  this slave gets no vote re: slave's body dimensions, so it doesn't really matter if this slave thinks she should lose a few pounds, gain a few pounds, go through a cosmetic procedure, etc.

quote:

  Should they help you follow a diet that you might not have the strength to follow on your own ?


this slave can't imagine a diet she wouldn't have the strength to follow, however, this slave has never been on a "lose-weight diet"...food has never been something fun to indulge in, or take comfort in, due to nausea, various food allergy issues, and natural teeth the consistency of sandstone, it has often been something that had to be forced, strictly regulated or broken down to basic nutrients in a liquid and ingested as such---takes all the fun right out of even thinking about a piece of pizza!



darkinshadows -> RE: Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 12:34:16 PM)

Can I just have a little button on here that says
 
'What Em said - '
 
Saves time.  And I am lazy today - must mean I need exercise...
Peace and Rapture



LadyMorgynn -> RE: Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 12:51:00 PM)

I see my responsibility to my slave to be looking out for his best interests AND my best interests, in a harmonious way that we can both accept.  For instance, I don't care if my slave is overweight, so long as he's physically capable of doing what I require of him.  If my slave wished to lose weight, I would support him in that, and would give my orders accordingly, along with continual discussions and so forth.  Or if my slave was fit and wished to remain so, I would support him in that by setting aside exercise/gym time in our schedule, etc.  Or if my slave wished to quit smoking, etc.

NOW for the exceptions!  If my slave was overweight, and his cholesterol was off the chart (NOT necessarily synonymous!) or he had diabetes or other medical issues, then we would sit down and have a discussion about this, and yes, I would likely begin to push my slave in a more healthy direction.  Fat and bad health are not synonymous.  I have a bad back resulting in being thrown from a horse and landing on pavement (yes, it was an ouch); this interferes with my ability to exercise (I can't) and is a source of constant emotional distress because I am unable to dance, which is (was) one of the great joys of my life.  dammit. But otherwise I'm in terrific health, I just never get sick, even colds or headaches, my blood work is better than most (thin) people my age;  Oh, I think I digressed.  Right.  So, therefore, the weight issue becomes a value judgement.  I don't interfere with my slave's values or impose mine on him... if he's a Republican that's fine, I don't care a flip as long as he keeps his mouth shut.  if he's a Christian, that's cool too as long as he doesn't start telling me I'm going to hell... he's not "bad" because he's overweight, or a smoker, and I will be hands-of unless action becomes necessary for whatever reasons.

Smoking is not quite so easy to deal (for me, I mean) with because it is a habit, and for most people a VERY hard road to break.  I don't smoke, and yes, I do wish my slave didn't too, but I'm not going to push him to do so unless he comes to me and says that's what he wants.  Um, I should mention here that I don't have sexual intimacy with my slave... it'd be a WHOLE different ballgame if it were, and he would have to chose between lovemaking and smoking.  But since that's not an issue, it is up to the slave to decide whether he wishes to continue smoking or stop.

Okay, I've babbled enough here, someone else's turn :)

quote:

ORIGINAL: zenofeller
If a Dominant/Master, do you consider keeping your sub/slave fit as part of your responsibility to them, along with keeping them from bodily harm ? Is diet and exercise something you ever consider ?



gypsyssoul -> RE: Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 12:51:12 PM)

 
i agree with darkshadows ..
quote:

Can I just have a little button on here that says
 
'What Em said - '
but would like to express ...
i think support would be the topic
... if a Master/ Dom does it without
using it to break down a sub/slave
then i am for it ....
but when its used to make the other partner feel
worthless ... its a bad thing
positive reinforcement ... yes
ok .. i'll hush ... and go to the corner ...
 



diamonddreamlove -> RE: Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 12:51:27 PM)

If i wanted and needed help i would ask for it.  If He were to notice i needed help and felt it was something that pleased Him to do i would obey.  Just would hope the chocolate was under lock and key lol and perhaps in Ft. Knox.



thisishis -> RE: Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 1:11:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: zenofeller

If a sub/slave, would you expect your dominant to help you with your body size ? Should they help you follow a diet that you might not have the strength to follow on your own ?
As His slave, i don't expect Him to do anything other than what He decides He needs/wants to do. He has decided that He is perfectly happy with my size and so it's with this size that He has decided i will remain. Opinions of whether i need help with my size had differed to some degree between He and i when i first became His. He's certainly helped me in accepting and believing that my size is quite attractive to Him, and as a result, i see it as so myself, now.
my Master had decided some time ago that His concern is not directed toward my size, nor my strength. His concern was that i stay healthy by eating a healthy choice of foods regularly. He knows that i do and is helpful in quieting the concerns of others who comment about my size, by cluing them to the fact that i do.



Taylore -> RE: Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 1:14:42 PM)

quote:

If a sub/slave, would you expect your dominant to help you with your body size ? Should they help you follow a diet that you might not have the strength to follow on your own ?

For myself,no. If Master tells me to lose weight, I lose weight. It is up to me to do so; it is not his responsibility to see that I follow his wishes.
 
 



SkinnySlave -> RE: Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 1:17:48 PM)

i think Her pleasure is the issue.



OsideGirl -> RE: Since we're doing FAT today. (6/27/2006 1:26:28 PM)

If this is negotiated, fine. HOWEVER, a Dominant prescribing a diet and excerise regimen should only be done after a full check up at the doctor and in accordance with what the doctor prescribes.


There are many factors for weight gain including diabetes, insulin resistance, PCOS and thyroid issues. Some diets will only aggravate those situations and put the health of the dieter at risk.



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