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OldMountainDog -> What's wrong with me? (7/1/2013 9:51:12 PM)

I am a Dom guy married to an amazing woman who is everything I could ever want with respect to BDSM and vanilla. We are a great fit on the vanilla front with our goals and interests being wonderfully in sync. We've talked extensively about our respective desires and fantasies with respect to BDSM, and that is shockingly perfect too. When she describes what she likes and wants, it is almost like she is just reading my description of the perfect fantasy submissive. She trusts me to the degree she has essentially given me complete free reign to do anything I want as her Dom. I'm not talking about some crazy no-limits no-safeword, edge-play kind of thing. She just knows that what I want as a Dom falls within her limits and desires. I'm pretty sure she will safeword quick if I go nuts on her someday.

So life's perfect... except I am ruining it. I freeze up and am unable to actually act on the things that we have both made painfully clear to each other we both want. I end up leaving her without any leadership of substance and falling back to largely vanilla sex. We are both extremely unhappy with this and we keep entering into new rounds of resetting the D/s dynamic between us for a fresh start... only to have me freeze up once again.

I'm an "expert" at coming up with excuses. I accept that life can get in the way of kink so somethings things will legitimately get in the way. The problem is I end up hiding behind excuses as lame as not wanting to interrupt the second rate Netflix show she is filling time with while hoping I will actually take some from of action. I don't need anyone to tell me how stupid this is. I'm being an idiot.

Has anyone here fought through hesitation like this? (I know, ask "has anyone" on the internet and the answer is yes.) I keep telling myself to get over myself and just do it. I can't think if a single reason not to. So does anyone have any advice on how to kick myself into gear? I'm afraid if I don't it will destroy my marriage from constantly needing to act on deep seated dominant desires and then trashing my wife's desire to submit when I freeze up yet again.




SimplyMichael -> RE: What's wrong with me? (7/1/2013 9:58:52 PM)

You need to give us a concrete description of an evening that went to hell. Not graphic stuff,just intent, goals and,what didnt work.

Relax, we can,walk you through this.




SeekingTrinity -> RE: What's wrong with me? (7/1/2013 10:02:36 PM)

What do you think is behind your inability to act? What do you think might be causing you to freeze up? There is obviously something inside that is holding you back. That's what you need to figure out. I don't think you are being stupid.

Are you new to this? Is a lack of experience behind this?

See, it's pretty hard to know where to begin without knowing the basics. Only you know you best. What I'd do is start small with one dominant "thing" you can easily do. My thought is that it will give you a bit of confidence in yourself. With more confidence comes courage to try another thing. Step by step, you just start walking in the direction you want to o.

Sorry I can't be all Yoda wise on this one, but hopefully it provided something positive




OldMountainDog -> RE: What's wrong with me? (7/1/2013 10:18:32 PM)

I'm not new at all. I'm not going to amazing anyone with my knot work or anything, but I am comfortable with the basics. I have done fine with scening casually before meeting my wife and I have done fine with my wife playing casually at a public dungeon. We've even had some pretty intense scenes privately at home that were awesome. Where I fail is when we branch out away from a pre negotiated scene and get into the more pervasive D/s relationship dynamic. That's the point where I start freezing up.

I act like I am afraid of rejection taking a more controlling position in our relationship. I'm kinda like the shy boy scared to ask a girl to dance at a jr high dance. :) The thing is my wife as already given me the bright green light on taking more control and institution more kinky play in our day.

One concrete example is my wife wanting to be put in some form of restraints for doing housework - think the housewife version of the cliche bondage scenes from The Secretary. I'll fantasize for days about how erotic that would be and then I'll wake up Saturday morning with every intent of action and I freeze up as soon as I look at my wife in the moment of action.

(for full disclosure, I freeze up at times when trying new things... lack of confidence jumping into a new thing is an issue too, but I've had some success overcoming that when that has come up, so it isn't the area I'm asking about)




SimplyMichael -> RE: What's wrong with me? (7/1/2013 10:28:05 PM)

I get the trying new things hesitation. I much prefer to be shown first.

Okay, what is the worst that could go wrong if you put her up in,a simple japanese rope dress, couple of crude knots etc and a pair of jangly cuffs?

She aint leaving you, she isnt going to die, the cool bondage kids cant point and,laugh, etc.

Now, how does SHE respond to your first attempts? Supportive? Critical? Or?




OldMountainDog -> RE: What's wrong with me? (7/1/2013 10:48:20 PM)

Yeah, we lived through almost exactly your rope dress example. I was freezing up on rope because of my complete inexperience in it. It eventually led to my getting a couple Knotty Boys books and insisting on our just practicing with rope a couple nights instead of engaging in BDSM with rope. I have sense gained enough confidence over my crap knots to be ok there. At the time, I made it a far more traumatic experience getting over that hump than it needed to be. My wife essentially bullied me into not being so fixated on being instantly a rope expert and start actually learning.

For the previous example I gave on freezing up, I could easily do a pair of cuffs connected by a short chain. We have the gear and even I don't need a book to figure out how to put those on. :) I know she wants it. I want it. And I freeze up on taking that action. As I type this, I'm wondering if it is a fear of rejection. I've fought with that my entire life. However, I know she isn't going to reject me over this.

When I do manage to take a stab at something, she is always supportive. Generally she gives me a far more detailed post-mortum on what did and didn't work after the scene is over. I do start feeling over-analyzed and under an intense microscope on my performance, but she is always supportive and encouraging about the critique - even when the scene turned out to be a disaster. So I am also wondering if deep down I am freezing up knowing the post-game coaching is going to happen... but I also want to get the feedback as she is much more experienced in BDSM than I am and I want to learn how to improve my skills.

I started this response thinking I had a clear and simple response... but now I feel like I am rambling all over the place.






LadyPact -> RE: What's wrong with me? (7/1/2013 11:29:53 PM)

It sounds to me that you are completely psyching yourself out.

Start thinking like Nike. Just do it. The rope practice is cool and all but what exactly would be wrong with a pair of cuffs if she wants some kind of restraint for while she does the dusting? (I'm guessing there are no kids around because of the stuff that you've already tried.) What's wrong with telling her on any given night that you want the dishes done and you want her naked while she does it? While she's doing that, go in the kitchen and slap her ass.

You're so far up in your head that your thoughts can't make it to your fingertips. Sometimes, it's just about the right tone of voice or telling somebody to do something, rather than asking them. I just had a visitor recently that got all sub-type melty inside because I told him, rather than asked him how I wanted the ice and drinks done before play.

It really doesn't have to be complicated.




absolutchocolat -> RE: What's wrong with me? (7/1/2013 11:31:08 PM)

The idea of being rejected is all in your head. Obviously, you have a loving and supportive wife who shares your likes in the bedroom. Believe me, that puts you miles ahead of a ton of folks we get around here asking questions.

My advice is to get your wife to help talk you through it. Get out of your own head with the insecure thoughts. If you want to get the wife in cuffs while she does the dishes, just blurt it out. Don't think about it too much. Just do what comes naturally to you.




DarkSteven -> RE: What's wrong with me? (7/2/2013 3:16:05 AM)

It sou nds to me like you're reliving some previous issues related to kink. Has anything ever gone badly south before?




kiwisub12 -> RE: What's wrong with me? (7/2/2013 4:16:34 AM)

Heck - you don't have to tell her anything - send her a text from work, telling her you want her in cuffs and chains and naked by the time you get home, and spank her a bit when you get in. That way she is doing the "work", and all you are doing is being the puppet master.... Easy peazie. [:)]




leonine -> RE: What's wrong with me? (7/2/2013 4:21:03 AM)

I have been in something like this - twice. In my first marriage I was in charge until for other reasons she had a nervous breakdown. She came out of it fine, but I had lost all confidence to Dom her. Now I'm married to a chronic invalid, and our bedroom BDSM is limited only by her health, but we went into the marriage on the basis that I'd be her Master and I found I couldn't give her orders. Like you say, I can plan it out and be all fired up to do it, but when it comes to the moment I don't just freeze, I forget I ever meant to and ask what she wants to do.

In my case I've traced this back to my mother having fragile health, and I think my grandma drummed it into me from earliest years that if I upset her I'd make her ill. So now when I'm around someone I class as an invalid, I feel I have to defer to them. Something about my first wife's breakdown hit that trigger, and after that I felt helpless around her.

I've seen it happen the other way. I knew a pain-slut slave who married a vanilla guy, then told him what she needed, and he took it up happily and actually became a noted Dom at their local munch... and then she found she couldn't sub to him. She still loved him, and she was still an extreme sub, but if he tried to give her orders she just got angry. She was baffled, but I reckoned she'd been brought up in the sort of traditional British working class family where the man can be as tough as he likes outside, but when he comes home he takes his boots off and does what his wife says. So she could sub to any other man, but her childhood role models wouldn't allow her to be dominated by her husband, even as a game.

I find it useful look at it in terms of the Transactional Analysis model. BDSM roles can often be seen as the classic TA Parent and Child models: but if you're supposed to be in Parent (Dom) mode, and something evokes your Child mode instead, the interaction is going to go off the rails. That's what happens to me with invalids, and it sounds to me, from your description of your helpless feeling (helplessness is a typical Child response,) as if it's what's happening to you. Something in the situation puts you into Child mode, and (just as importantly) makes you approach your wife as Adult or Parent, and acting like a Dom in that situation is literally unthinkable.

These problems can be very tough (I'm still struggling with mine,) but I can suggest some approaches. Immediately, you could perhaps kluge round the problem by doing BDSM in Child-Child mode. You say your wife is analytical and verbal about it, which is a Parental pattern of behaviour. If she could find a way to be playful and un-intellectual about it for once (maybe by getting a bit drunk!) it wouldn't matter if you went into Child mode, if you could relate to her as another Child and play without feelings of responsibility.

For a longer term solution, try to find what it is about her behaviour or the situation that evokes your Child, then try to eliminate that from the situation. For example, if it's something in her tone of voice or use of words that hits the wrong button, try having her put on a gag before you approach her. Or if she looks too much like some key person from your childhood, try playing in the dark. You get the idea. If once you can have a few successful scenes, you may start to overwrite the program that's stopping you, and not need awkward workarounds to make it possible.

You say this feeling of helplessness is a recurrent problem in everyday life, so it sounds as if your Child is way too near the surface of your everyday consciousness. A TA-oriented therapist might be able to teach you ways to overcome that, which would benefit you in vanilla situations as well as helping with this.

Just my ideas, use what you can and leave the rest for the cleaners.




Killerangel -> RE: What's wrong with me? (7/2/2013 5:44:16 AM)

I've seen in life and on these boards as well that sometimes it's hard to hurt the one you love - in the literal sense. It might be just that simple. You love and value her as your partner in life, those feelings might be at odds with with the activities you both wish to do.

It's hard for people sometimes to overcome the feeling of deliberately putting someone they are entrusted with in position that's less than ideal.

Another aspect is to think back to your childhood and try to remember if you were taught not to hit girls and to treat them gently and respectfully, and here you are wanting to grab her hair and be forceful; it might be some cognitive dissonance getting in your way.




chatterbox24 -> RE: What's wrong with me? (7/2/2013 7:02:27 AM)

The past is the past. Today is today. You are talking yourself right out of it, with the conversation you are having in your head. Don't let those what ifs enter, always counteract it with I CAN AND WILL, NOT I CANT AND WONT. Sounds like a bunch of positive thinking hoopla, but it works. DONT OVER THINK IT, as soon as you think it DO IT, don't let the story play out again in your head. JUST DO IT, DO IT, DO IT.

Practice at that, say it a zillion times, can, will, yes, not cant, wont, no.

Not a damn thing wrong with you.




SimplyMichael -> RE: What's wrong with me? (7/2/2013 7:17:17 AM)

First rope dress I did I,had the book open and spent more time reading the book than looking at her.

My guess is your parents were highly critical of you?

Therapy witha GOOD therapist can make a huge change.

First off, RELAX. Me, you, lots of us go through this when we start. You are a nice guy, that is a rare quality and a valuable one. So, tell her to wait for the after action report and do some thinking on what parts of it really fuck up your head. Voice, style, tone, body language, etc. Maybe make,her write it, or only tell bad stuff if its major etc.

Draw a three circles, first one of stuff you feel fine using, stuff you feel you are willing to learn, and stuff you are not ready for. Tell yourself you will only scene with stuff you feel comfortable using AND THEN,RELAX. Plan practice sessions with the new stuff and,then no stress about performance.

Ill tell you some secrets, most of those amazing,rope shots on fet were boring as fuck to shoot, took forever to set up, and,had zero sexual energy.

And,you need to start taking more control. Use teasing and,denial during,sex, tell her she,doesnt get to cum, etc. easy to do and hot for most,women.

Also, what books on,kink do you,have? Buy a copy of screw the roses




SimplyMichael -> RE: What's wrong with me? (7/2/2013 7:19:49 AM)

And you are really trying, you are being open and honest, I.am.impressed by that. My inbox is open if you need me.




AthenaSurrenders -> RE: What's wrong with me? (7/2/2013 7:21:05 AM)

What everyone else said, and also remember that it doesn't have to be perfect to be awesome. Not every encounter needs to be mind blowing, limit-pushing, more intense than ever before. Sometimes we put too much pressure on ourselves to be amazing. You love each other, you share the same tastes, that's enough. Just play. Start small if you like. Tell her that you're going to put the cuffs on her wrists, but no matter how much she begs and pleads, how excited she gets, you're not going to make her do anything else. Watch how fast you both lose control.




Dyfrynt -> RE: What's wrong with me? (7/2/2013 8:38:17 AM)

What jumped out for me was when you said the following in your second post "Where I fail is when we branch out away from a pre negotiated scene and get into the more pervasive D/s relationship dynamic. That's the point where I start freezing up."

Is this a trait that is true for you beyond BDSM? That is, are you more comfortable with a scenario in everyday life where the steps are a known quantity. And that when you are unsure what is supposed to happen next, you feel anxiety and discomfort? The answer is important because that tells whether your "hangup" is BDSM related, or is a deeper manifestation of how you view the world.

If it is the latter, that is a matter of retraining yourself as a person to become more comfortable with spontaneity. That training could involve self help books, professional counseling, etc.

In the meantime, if you are comfortable with pre-negotiated scenes, by all means, for now stick with that. Just because they are pre-negotiated does not mean they cannot be very intense. Sticking within your comfort level for now will do wonders for the success of your relationship BDSM and otherwise. While doing that start the process of learning to be more comfortable with more spontaneity.

As with learning any new trait, start small and built up slowly.




Duskypearls -> RE: What's wrong with me? (7/2/2013 10:47:55 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OldMountainDog

Yeah, we lived through almost exactly your rope dress example. I was freezing up on rope because of my complete inexperience in it. It eventually led to my getting a couple Knotty Boys books and insisting on our just practicing with rope a couple nights instead of engaging in BDSM with rope. I have sense gained enough confidence over my crap knots to be ok there. At the time, I made it a far more traumatic experience getting over that hump than it needed to be. My wife essentially bullied me into not being so fixated on being instantly a rope expert and start actually learning.

For the previous example I gave on freezing up, I could easily do a pair of cuffs connected by a short chain. We have the gear and even I don't need a book to figure out how to put those on. :) I know she wants it. I want it. And I freeze up on taking that action. As I type this, I'm wondering if it is a fear of rejection. I've fought with that my entire life. However, I know she isn't going to reject me over this.

When I do manage to take a stab at something, she is always supportive. Generally she gives me a far more detailed post-mortum on what did and didn't work after the scene is over. I do start feeling over-analyzed and under an intense microscope on my performance, but she is always supportive and encouraging about the critique - even when the scene turned out to be a disaster. So I am also wondering if deep down I am freezing up knowing the post-game coaching is going to happen... but I also want to get the feedback as she is much more experienced in BDSM than I am and I want to learn how to improve my skills.

I started this response thinking I had a clear and simple response... but now I feel like I am rambling all over the place.



Is it possible that how your wife does this has more of a negative effect upon you than you realize?




BitaTruble -> RE: What's wrong with me? (7/2/2013 12:19:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OldMountainDog


I keep telling myself to get over myself and just do it. I can't think if a single reason not to. So does anyone have any advice on how to kick myself into gear? I'm afraid if I don't it will destroy my marriage from constantly needing to act on deep seated dominant desires and then trashing my wife's desire to submit when I freeze up yet again.

It's easy to get distracted by sparklies so get rid of them. Unplug the tv and the computer. Put away the cards and board games. Strip it all away till it's just the two of you and see if something other than boredom sets in when it's bare bones to bones.

Simplify by lessening the options which are available.




hrxxx -> RE: What's wrong with me? (7/2/2013 1:15:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OldMountainDog

I am a Dom guy married to an amazing woman who is everything I could ever want with respect to BDSM and vanilla. We are a great fit on the vanilla front with our goals and interests being wonderfully in sync. We've talked extensively about our respective desires and fantasies with respect to BDSM, and that is shockingly perfect too. When she describes what she likes and wants, it is almost like she is just reading my description of the perfect fantasy submissive. She trusts me to the degree she has essentially given me complete free reign to do anything I want as her Dom. I'm not talking about some crazy no-limits no-safeword, edge-play kind of thing. She just knows that what I want as a Dom falls within her limits and desires. I'm pretty sure she will safeword quick if I go nuts on her someday.

So life's perfect... except I am ruining it. I freeze up and am unable to actually act on the things that we have both made painfully clear to each other we both want. I end up leaving her without any leadership of substance and falling back to largely vanilla sex. We are both extremely unhappy with this and we keep entering into new rounds of resetting the D/s dynamic between us for a fresh start... only to have me freeze up once again.

I'm an "expert" at coming up with excuses. I accept that life can get in the way of kink so somethings things will legitimately get in the way. The problem is I end up hiding behind excuses as lame as not wanting to interrupt the second rate Netflix show she is filling time with while hoping I will actually take some from of action. I don't need anyone to tell me how stupid this is. I'm being an idiot.

Has anyone here fought through hesitation like this? (I know, ask "has anyone" on the internet and the answer is yes.) I keep telling myself to get over myself and just do it. I can't think if a single reason not to. So does anyone have any advice on how to kick myself into gear? I'm afraid if I don't it will destroy my marriage from constantly needing to act on deep seated dominant desires and then trashing my wife's desire to submit when I freeze up yet again.



There is only one way to put it, you need to be Dominant towards her! Submissive can be so passive and initiative resolve, that they sometimes resembles a mix between a robot vacuum cleaner, and a Japanese sex doll, your home is always clean, and you can have sex when you take the initiative to do so.

Have you tried just to play with pain?
It can be a good way to begin with BDSM, you need no D/S roles to play with pain, and it is good way to learn about her limits and what she likes, and what turns her on.
And when you've become more confident in her pain limits, so try chaining her and without roles, you can talk to her while playing, and there is no pressure on you as a Dominant. And so long you just test your boundaries, tell each other about your fantasies, no matter whether! You think they are extreme, tell them, remember it is better to break a limit in fantasy land, than in real life, which may have consequences for your relationship!

When in become more confident in each other's limits, you can start to become more Dominant. You can start to call home to her and say "sit naked on your knees in the living room with my whip in your mouth. When I get home!" Then when you get home, you already in your roles, and it is Dominant in itself that she is naked and you are not. But if you do not take the initiative, then you'll never started with D/S play

Remember we have all been inexperienced once, some will not admit it, and others are still inexperienced.




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