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RE: What's wrong with me? - 7/2/2013 2:05:04 PM   
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There is nothing wrong with you.

I think way too many people over think everything rather than be spontaneous.

I also think the post game critique, no matter how nicely stated is making you worry.

Just experiment and stop discussing everything to death. This is not a stranger, it sounds like you have a great marriage and you communicate well.

Just don't get so caught up in trying to attain perfection, just enjoy the ride.

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RE: What's wrong with me? - 7/2/2013 5:24:37 PM   
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[My] Master has a saying: Don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good.

Life is imperfect and messy and outcomes within that construct are unpredictable and more often than not, wonderful.

You don't have to do it perfectly or be perfect for the 2 of you to have a wonder-filled time.
I prefer real to perfect... (especially since "perfect" does not exist).

I am sure that you have heard the expression, it's not the destination but the journey?

Relax, enjoy the journey...and have fun!



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RE: What's wrong with me? - 7/2/2013 5:38:20 PM   
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Way too much pressure. Don't decide it has to be perfect, decide you want to try to see if she can make breakfast in cuffs. If it isn't working, then take them off.

Decide for yourself that this will just be for ten minutes. And ask her not to come out with a critique but to write it in a journal which you won't read for a week. If she reflects on this right after, and a day later and four days later, she's likely to have different views on it depending on how long after it is.

The thing about her critique is that it's telling you how to improve it for her. Which is different than you making this be something that makes you feel good. Certainly if there's a major problem, you need to know about it.

But if you're in charge, then there's nothing wrong with her not liking it when you do. Sometimes you do things simply because your partner wants it. No different then you picking Fast & Furious to go see when it bores her no end. This time it's all about you and a couple of weeks from now, it's all about her.

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RE: What's wrong with me? - 7/2/2013 7:28:37 PM   
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I'd add that it's easy to take the "Just do it!" stance on an issue like this. But I'd also caution that maybe there is a legitimate reason why you are holding back. Like everyone else has said, it's probably not the scening, it's the relationship dynamic. But all I'm saying is that you should respect your reluctance and take the time to really understand it. Don't just treat it like an unwanted obstacle. Maybe it's there for a good reason, like a scab over a healing wound.

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RE: What's wrong with me? - 7/2/2013 8:40:40 PM   
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OK, so first: There have been some extremely helpful posts and I'm not sure if I will get to addressing every one individually. So here's a generic thank you for everyone.


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ORIGINAL: leonine
I find it useful look at it in terms of the Transactional Analysis model. BDSM roles can often be seen as the classic TA Parent and Child models: but if you're supposed to be in Parent (Dom) mode, and something evokes your Child mode instead, the interaction is going to go off the rails. That's what happens to me with invalids, and it sounds to me, from your description of your helpless feeling (helplessness is a typical Child response,) as if it's what's happening to you. Something in the situation puts you into Child mode, and (just as importantly) makes you approach your wife as Adult or Parent, and acting like a Dom in that situation is literally unthinkable.

These problems can be very tough (I'm still struggling with mine,) but I can suggest some approaches. Immediately, you could perhaps kluge round the problem by doing BDSM in Child-Child mode. You say your wife is analytical and verbal about it, which is a Parental pattern of behaviour. If she could find a way to be playful and un-intellectual about it for once (maybe by getting a bit drunk!) it wouldn't matter if you went into Child mode, if you could relate to her as another Child and play without feelings of responsibility.

For a longer term solution, try to find what it is about her behaviour or the situation that evokes your Child, then try to eliminate that from the situation. For example, if it's something in her tone of voice or use of words that hits the wrong button, try having her put on a gag before you approach her. Or if she looks too much like some key person from your childhood, try playing in the dark. You get the idea. If once you can have a few successful scenes, you may start to overwrite the program that's stopping you, and not need awkward workarounds to make it possible.

You say this feeling of helplessness is a recurrent problem in everyday life, so it sounds as if your Child is way too near the surface of your everyday consciousness. A TA-oriented therapist might be able to teach you ways to overcome that, which would benefit you in vanilla situations as well as helping with this.


This response hit really close to home. I hadn't thought about it directly before, but I apparently have some mommy issues. :) I do get that child needing parental approval kind of gut feeling when I freeze up. The post session critique is one area I'll be looking at to try to address this, though I likely need to take time to fully digest this thought to see where else I might be hitting triggers.

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RE: What's wrong with me? - 7/2/2013 8:47:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
First off, RELAX. Me, you, lots of us go through this when we start. You are a nice guy, that is a rare quality and a valuable one. So, tell her to wait for the after action report and do some thinking on what parts of it really fuck up your head. Voice, style, tone, body language, etc. Maybe make,her write it, or only tell bad stuff if its major etc.


That is a really good idea. I don't actively think about the post game critique as I am freezing up, but deep down I know it is going to happen. So I suppose my first rule to enforce isn't some kind of kinky bondage during chores thing but instead enforcing a drop the immediate critique household rule.


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
Also, what books on,kink do you,have? Buy a copy of screw the roses


I have a bunch of the books including screen the roses an old copy of SM 101 from when the book was still published spiral bound.

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RE: What's wrong with me? - 7/2/2013 8:52:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dyfrynt

What jumped out for me was when you said the following in your second post "Where I fail is when we branch out away from a pre negotiated scene and get into the more pervasive D/s relationship dynamic. That's the point where I start freezing up."

Is this a trait that is true for you beyond BDSM? That is, are you more comfortable with a scenario in everyday life where the steps are a known quantity. And that when you are unsure what is supposed to happen next, you feel anxiety and discomfort? The answer is important because that tells whether your "hangup" is BDSM related, or is a deeper manifestation of how you view the world.

If it is the latter, that is a matter of retraining yourself as a person to become more comfortable with spontaneity. That training could involve self help books, professional counseling, etc.


This also hit pretty close to home for me. After taking time to think through your question, I am realizing I have similar anxieties in many other relationships - both with certain family members and on the job. This gives me more to examine and possibly have some clue now on where to look for self improvement.

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RE: What's wrong with me? - 7/2/2013 9:11:00 PM   
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I tend to agree with your self assessment and what others have said, I think with your wife you fear her judgement, the mommy thing, whatever, that you tense up that she will criticize what you have done. Your wife hears herself giving you feedback, you take it as criticism, being picked on, and I wouldn't be surprised if this hits the same way in 'real life', like, for example, doing what you are told at work but being afraid to go beyond that, for fear of criticism.

I understand what that is like, I have battled similar issues, I could never set boundaries or say no to family members because of it, that 'little kid' in the pit of your stomach gets real upset that 'mommy' will get mad:)....

I really, really encourage you to work on yourself, both for your marrriage's sake, and for yourself as a person, and I highly encourage finding a therapist or counselor (might be cool to find a kink aware one, but your issue probably isn't really kink related, it is just triggered in taking the Dom role), it can help you deal with that, and have the confidence to take criticism or feedback.


I would also talk to your wife about it, why you freeze up, so she knows it isn't about her or about you not really wanting to be dominant (she could get the impression that somehow you are doing this to please her, and don't really want to do it IMO), I think she will understand and maybe can help you work through things, like for example, after a scene or whatever, when she gives you feedback, she could also ask you how the feedback is making you feel and help you gain confidence her feedback is simply meant to help:). I suspect you are overthinking everything, wanting it to be perfect, so 'mommy' won't criticize you, and that leads you into paralysis.

It is very easy to say 'just do it', but the feelings and emotions you have are very real, as I only know too well, and having faced a situation where I had to face my fear and act in a way that I knew would cause a shitstorm of criticism from my birth family or see my own little family blow up, be torn apart, I both understand how hard it is to face down, but also know that it is possible to work through it, and get to the point where it may not be a laughing matter, but where you can deal with it and move forward:)

I wish you luck, the nice part is, you get past the blockage, and you guys are probably going to fly:)

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RE: What's wrong with me? - 7/2/2013 9:49:18 PM   
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This works for me, but it may not work for you:

I don't do scenes. I just do it. There is no dialog, no script, no plans. I just tie the girl up, or beat her, or cuddle her, or make love to her as the mood grabs me. That's it.

There is a lot less pressure. This means that things like medical play or, well, pretty much any kind of role-play is off the table. On the other hand: I like to laugh and be intimate with my partner.

It is all very casual except for one thing: I am in charge and she obeys. Anything else is just icing on the cake.

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RE: What's wrong with me? - 7/2/2013 11:37:18 PM   
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You're suffering from anxiety. In your case, it seems to have been created by your self. I would guess that you are trying to be perfect (since you imagine how you will do it many times in advance). You have your wife who is (in your eye) completely counting on you to do the right thing and/or be the best that you can. This is simply causing more anxiety which can lead to performance problems and depression.

You really just need to bring things back down to a level where you are 100% comfortable. Only do very simple things (things which cause no problems for you) or perhaps even just have vanilla sex for a little bit. Perhaps only talk about the naughty things you will do eventually (once you are ready). You need to start all over in order to overcome this kind of anxiety prison that you have formed from your high expectations and pressure.

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RE: What's wrong with me? - 7/3/2013 7:33:17 AM   
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Anxiety is treatable, if it's pervasive throughout your life you may want to talk to your doctor about it.

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