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MissSinfulCyn -> D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/3/2013 2:10:11 PM)

Greetings subbies!

I'm new to posting in the forum, but I have a topic of interest that I would like to get your input on. It is regarding FLR (Female-led Relationships).

I first became acquainted with this type of relationship when a sub-interest of mine brought it to my attention the other day. I then followed up on our conversation by doing some research on my own and wrote a blog entry on my thoughts on the topic. What I'm having trouble with is distinguishing the difference between D/s-relationships and FLR.

For those of you that may not know what FLR is, here is the definition from UrbanDictionary:

Female-led Relationship - A romantic heterosexual relationship, in which the female has control over the male to a greater or lesser extent.


Based on what I have read, my conclusion/summary would be that FLR is for those that are looking for a true relationship with their Domme or sub that goes beyond kinks, the bedroom, and sex in general. The dynamics of FLRs appears to be a bit more intimate, or has more levels of intimacy and communication, than the typical D/s-relationship.

What would I prefer? I would say that I would lean more toward the FLR option, if given the choice. I'm sure the many D/s-relationships could eventually evolve into FLRs, if desired, as well!

What do you all think? Would you prefer FLR or the classic D/s-relationship? Have any of you been a part of FLR, or are currently in FLR?




DaddySatyr -> RE: D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/3/2013 2:19:18 PM)

MANY submissive people don't like being referred to as "subbies".

That aside; you're proceding from a false starting point. "D/s" stands for "(D)ominant/(s)ubmissive. So, many folks here would say that FLR fits within the "umbrella" of "D/s".

D/s is not about the kink, per se; it is about the relationship dynamic.

I hope this helps.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




OsideGirl -> RE: D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/3/2013 2:26:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MissSinfulCyn

Greetings subbies!
DS is correct, a lot of submissives find that offensive.


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Based on what I have read, my conclusion/summary would be that FLR is for those that are looking for a true relationship with their Domme or sub that goes beyond kinks, the bedroom, and sex in general.
First, define a TRUE relationship. Next, what you've described fits a lot of real life D/s - M/s 24/7 TPE relationships.

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The dynamics of FLRs appears to be a bit more intimate, or has more levels of intimacy and communication, than the typical D/s-relationship.
Define a typical D/s relationship. (and I'm willing to bet that you're confusing BDSM sessions with D/s dynamics)


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What do you all think?
I think you're trying to make it all sparkly and special, when the reality is it's just a relationship and pretty much the same as most of the relationships practiced by those of us here that have long term relationships.

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Would you prefer FLR or the classic D/s-relationship?
Please define a "classic D/s relationship".




DaddySatyr -> RE: D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/3/2013 2:28:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

Please define a "classic D/s relationship".



I think that's one where the people are old, like me, beautiful lady.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




coeo -> RE: D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/3/2013 2:32:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissSinfulCyn
What I'm having trouble with is distinguishing the difference between D/s-relationships and FLR.


FLR is a proper subset of D/s.

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Female-led Relationship - A romantic heterosexual relationship, in which the female has control over the male to a greater or lesser extent.


The female is dominant; the male is submissive. How is this not D/s?

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a true relationship


"True" is a 4 letter word. It carries no meaning.

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or has more levels of intimacy and communication, than the typical D/s-relationship.


There is no such thing as "the typical D/s-relationship." If your definition of D/s excludes intimacy and communication, then that's your problem.




SeekingTrinity -> RE: D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/3/2013 3:38:19 PM)

~FRing it~

There are not enough hours in the day...nor wiggle room in the TOS...to say how erroneously misconceived this is on sooooo many levels.




MissSinfulCyn -> RE: D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/3/2013 3:51:33 PM)

Thank you for all of your replies.

Allow me to clarify.

The whole reason behind this post is to hopefully get more light shed on what FLR is in comparison to D/s-relationships. So, for those that simply reiterate that my understanding could refer to a number of different relationships...what WOULD be helpful would be to actually address my question; what are the differences, or what makes FLR different from other relationships. I'm not trying to make FLR
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sparkly
or
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special
, I'm simply trying to learn more about it. I figured this would be a good place to get some quality input. Instead, I'm just getting bashed for wording.

By
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classic D/s relationship,
I am referring to the generic classification of such a relationship, nothing more.

By
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true relationship,
I mean something more involved than meeting every once in a while. I'm sure we are all aware that there are some on the site that are NOT looking for more than a few sessions with Doms/Dommes or subs in their area. I mean an established understanding that both participants are putting forth some degree of dedication toward the relationship.




OsideGirl -> RE: D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/3/2013 3:56:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MissSinfulCyn

Thank you for all of your replies.

Allow me to clarify.

The whole reason behind this post is to hopefully get more light shed on what FLR is in comparison to D/s-relationships.


FLR IS a D/s relationship. That's the point.

D/s - M/s is about the power dynamic. One person is the decision maker/guide for the relationship. You're trying to make FLR something different than D/s, when it's not.






MissSinfulCyn -> RE: D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/3/2013 4:05:00 PM)

I think I see the issue:

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You're trying to make FLR something different than D/s, when it's not.


It's not my intention to make FLR something different than D/s. I'm simply trying to understand what one is to think when one saying that they are looking for FLR, because to me (at the moment), they translate to meaning the same thing. So just saying that FLR is a subset, or fits under the umbrella for D/s doesn't really help me understand it, because I'm already there. Understand what I'm trying to say?

Even with what you have said about D/s and M/s:

quote:

D/s - M/s is about the power dynamic. One person is the decision maker/guide for the relationship.


...the same is the case in FLR, correct? It's about the power dynamic.




RemoteUser -> RE: D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/3/2013 4:08:26 PM)

Relationships are what those involved make of them.

Think that's too simplistic? Try this, then: every woman in a dominant role who practices FLR will have her own preferences, methods and agenda. Now compare that extensive list to every other conceivable relationship (however you are defining other in this instance).

This is not bashing, this is showing you how broad your wording is because until you refine it, the best definitions you will get will also be broad-sweeping, generalized to the point where they are neatly rendered useless.

Even if we agree upon a "generic" relationship definition and ride the presumption that said relationship will be somehow defined by intimacy and "more" communication, there's still a vast panorama of answers to pick from.

I'm a dominant male. I lead a D/s relationship. We communicate. We are intimate. Claiming more levels of anything because of the dynamic with no consideration to the participants is foolish; and if you must say there is more because of one dynamic, does that imply less in others, and further, does it not mean that the FLR dynamic you espouse must also be "less" than some other dynamic out there?

Or are they equal by simple existence, and defined by those who form them?

Once the significance (or, dream of hierarchy) is removed, you find that it's just a relationship, made for what it is by you and those whom you linger with, and so I reiterate:

Relationships are what those involved make of them.




MissSinfulCyn -> RE: D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/3/2013 4:22:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RemoteUser

Once the significance (or, dream of hierarchy) is removed, you find that it's just a relationship, made for what it is by you and those whom you linger with, and so I reiterate:

Relationships are what those involved make of them.


Thank you for your response. No, I don't think it's too simplistic of an answer. I suppose I was shooting myself in the foot hoping for answers about a topic that I, myself, can't put into words well...so of course others find my post to be vague or misleading.

I definitely agree with you though; Relationships are what those involved make of them.




OsideGirl -> RE: D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/3/2013 4:22:46 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MissSinfulCyn

I think I see the issue:

quote:

You're trying to make FLR something different than D/s, when it's not.


It's not my intention to make FLR something different than D/s. I'm simply trying to understand what one is to think when one saying that they are looking for FLR, because to me (at the moment), they translate to meaning the same thing. So just saying that FLR is a subset, or fits under the umbrella for D/s doesn't really help me understand it, because I'm already there. Understand what I'm trying to say?

Even with what you have said about D/s and M/s:

quote:

D/s - M/s is about the power dynamic. One person is the decision maker/guide for the relationship.


...the same is the case in FLR, correct? It's about the power dynamic.


Exactly the same.

In my mind, having a FLR is a typical D/s relationship. As is a male led relationship. IMO: you don't start getting into subsets until you get to Daddy/Mommy or animal play/owner relationships.




RemoteUser -> RE: D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/3/2013 5:35:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MissSinfulCyn

Thank you for your response. No, I don't think it's too simplistic of an answer. I suppose I was shooting myself in the foot hoping for answers about a topic that I, myself, can't put into words well...so of course others find my post to be vague or misleading.

I definitely agree with you though; Relationships are what those involved make of them.


You're quite welcome. You haven't shot yourself in the foot; you merely need to consider more what it is you want to know (and likely while doing so, you will craft your own definition rendering others moot beyond intellectual contrasting).

If I may offer an example: you initially posited more intimacy, but gave nothing for comparison. Rather than put in terms of measurement, start from the initial point. "FLR is very intimate for me." Now, what makes it intimate for you? Do you desire this intimacy? Are you looking to enhance or soften it? How do you relate to this feeling, and where are you looking to go with it? Are you giving a personal example of emotional reaction because you wish to know how others respond emotionally, or perhaps what triggers those responses?

You have a whole world of ideas out in front of you. Don't let them intimidate you. Give yourself the time to find what you want; share it; learn from the sharing; enjoy the enhanced understanding that results.

You'll get there, if you let yourself.




AthenaSurrenders -> RE: D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/3/2013 10:06:32 PM)

Fast reply

I think the reason we're struggling to give you the answers is because it's like asking 'what's the difference between a red car, and a car'. All red cars are cars, just not all cars are red. Beyond that it doesn't tell you much to distinguish it. The red car you have in mind MIGHT be faster, bigger and cooler than another car picked at random, but the label itself doesn't tell us that.

D/s means one person is the boss and the other submits to them. FLR means the same thing, just indicating that the boss is a woman. It could be marriage, kids, buying a house. It could be filthy sex for a weekend a month. As can any other D/s relationship.




NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/3/2013 10:24:22 PM)

First of all, a lot of submissive type people don't like being called "subbies" any more than I'd want to be called a "Dommie" and I most certainly wouldn't like that.

Second, a D/s relationship is Dominant/submissive and about power exchange. The BDSM part of it is about the kink. D/s and BDSM may or may not coexist in the same relationship. FLRs are one subset of D/s relationships. Unless, of course, you're making the assumption that the "classic D/s relationship" is one with the male at the helm, which would be an incorrect assumption because that's the case only part of the time.

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ORIGINAL: MissSinfulCyn
I'm simply trying to understand what one is to think when one saying that they are looking for FLR, because to me (at the moment), they translate to meaning the same thing.

Maybe they are using the term FLR to specify that they want a relationship with the female as the Dominant one. That's what I would think if I heard the term.

NBMG




Kana -> RE: D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/4/2013 6:17:00 AM)

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What do you all think?


I think I want some bacon and eggs, maybe a belgian waffle.

About the post-smacks a bit of advertising and a roundabout way to promote ones belief systems, if you want an honest response.

quote:

Would you prefer FLR or the classic D/s-relationship?


Other than being limited to having a broad in charge, what's the difference?
And what makes a female led relationship better than a male led one, or tranny, or whatever?
And what makes a female a batter leader than others? Wimmens are just as fallible as anyone else. Why does/is this type of relationship differ/better than any other

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Have any of you been a part of FLR, or are currently in FLR?

Nah-I kinda don't sub-just not who I am




goodgirlmary -> RE: D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/4/2013 6:45:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RemoteUser

Relationships are what those involved make of them.......

Relationships are what those involved make of them.

this.
actually that whole post.
I dont like the term subbie.it whiffs of teenagers with silly demands.
Flr are still power exchanges right.. So I think thats still a dominance thing.I personally have not done well with exclusively dominant women.Its the same as men though.Theres good and bad. So.....Idk.




DesFIP -> RE: D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/4/2013 7:00:18 AM)

Your assumption that everyone in a d/s relationship is only about the kink and that none of us have a romantic relationship. And that's wrong.

Some people want a play only relationship but that's the minority. Most of us want one that encompasses love, friendship, etc. Many people here are married.

The Man is not only my dominant. He's my best friend, my lover and the person I first turn to. As I am for him. How does that translate into just in it for the bedroom activities? It doesn't.




sunshinemiss -> RE: D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/4/2013 8:06:04 AM)

To the OP:
Good on you for not getting snarky when people responded as they did.

I think Athena's red car comment pretty much sums it up.

best,
sunshine




njlauren -> RE: D/s relationship vs. FLR (7/4/2013 8:45:45 AM)

As with the others, FLR is a type of D/s relationship, that in a sense reverses the traditional dynamic where relationships were 'male led' or as in more modern times, is supposed to be equal or in some sort of dynamic equilibrium. I think your confusion is about a D/s, because it is talked about on BD/SM websites it is assumed that D/s is all about kink play, that it has nothing to do with the emotional or 'vanilla' side of the relationship. There are D/s relationships out there that exist only in the bedroom, in play, but as others point out, a lot of them are lifestyle, that govern other aspects of the relationship, where the dominant partner has control over certain or most aspects of the relationship, and these can be quite loving and emotional.

Reading fiction, you would assume a D/s is the cold bitch Domme constantly torturing her 'property', if a male cuckolding him and embarassing him and so forth, but that is fiction, not real, for the most part.

And FLR is simply a relationship where the female is dominant and the male is submissive, where they have agrees that the wife takes on the 'head of household' role so to speak, has control over certain/most/all things, etc....but it can be and usually is loving IME, since they probably got together in the first place because there was something there.

I can understand the confusion, I ran across FLT websites and such, and they make it appear like this is some sort of unique thing, that on some websites actually said "has nothing to do with whips/chains and erotic torture"..well, guess what, lot of D/s relationships where people don't do those things.....because as other people pointed out, D/s is about power balance in a relationship, and that is exactly what an FLR is:). The worse practitioner of this rubbish was someone called Elsie something, who sets up as queen bee of the FLR universe, telling you the 'proper' way to do it, it would be funny if it wasn't pathetic. A typical line , someone asking about cuckolding and FLR: "Well, it can be understood if in an FLR the woman chooses to have other lovers and it should be expected as a common aspect of the control she yields in the relationship,so a male agreeing to an FLR should expect this to commonly happen".....which should ring the bell on the bullshit detector, because while cuckolding is part of the femme domme universe. something like cuckolding is not 'expected', and more importantly, it woud be negotiated in the relationship,plus IME most dominants of both genders tend to be monogamous more often then not....(Personally, suspect this "Elsie" is some guy wanking off giving this 'advice').

In short answer to your question, FLR is just another name for a female dominant/male submissive relationship. Usually, it is described as a married couple, but you could have an FLR where a couple is unmarried *shrug*.




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