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It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 3:30:07 AM   
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...and our war dead. Have any of you seen this one ? I kept it as a reminder of our wars.

The War Through a Father's Eyes

By H. Barry Holt Saturday, March 18, 2006

I cannot describe the relief I felt when our oldest son returned from war alive -- for the second time. He is an Army communications specialist, a job designed to support combat units in a mobile war. Although his first deployment to Iraq may have been inevitable, my wife and I were terrified when he received his orders, less than a year after he had enlisted as an uncertain and directionless 18-year-old and less than six months after basic training. Uncertain information from the Army meant we couldn't be there to see him board the plane to war. But we managed to be there the week before, full of parental stoicism and quiet terror demonstrated through hugs and tears.

I generally accepted the reasons we went to war and worried about terrorism and weapons of mass destruction. Like many Americans, I believed that America had a moral duty to protect the oppressed of Iraq. But with my son in that war, my interest became much more parochial. Policy meant less than facts.

At first we heard nothing, then finally one short phone call from Kuwait told us he was safe and bored with waiting. I filled time between infrequent e-mails scouring the Internet for local newspapers showing pictures of his unit's equipment being shrink-wrapped and loaded on transport ships. Think-tank Web sites gave information about bases in western Iraq, where he was headed. I devoured bits of information he gave me through e-mail and telephone calls, and slowly his story unfolded. I shuddered when he described his terrifying 36-hour convoy race from Kuwait to Anbar province. His girlfriend told us (he tried to protect us from such news) about the attack on his convoy and his using his newly minted "expert" qualification on the SAW light machine gun to kill an attacking Iraqi soldier.

I anguished over his descriptions of random mortar attacks on his base, and I chastised him for volunteering for "shotgun" duty on missions conducted by the combat unit he supported. But hearing nothing for long periods was so much worse. I had persistent nightmares about improvised explosive devices, mortar rounds, snipers and accidents, knowing nothing but fearing the worst. Every report of an attack triggered frantic efforts to unearth the latest news, each time followed by guilty relief that my son was not hurt and by shame that I was relieved that someone else had died. But I cried every time I saw lists of casualties as I scoured the names for soldiers and Marines from his home base or our hometown. Now they were my children, too.

My fears escalated when he told me he was slightly wounded during a firefight, and his only reaction was annoyance that there would be no Purple Heart because an investigation revealed the cause was friendly fire. My heart broke when he told me about two friends who died in different accidents and about a sergeant he knew who was killed by a sniper. When he left Anbar on the convoy back to Kuwait, with improvised armor on his vehicle, I worried until he phoned after his safe arrival.
My son came home . . . alive.

Our visit after he returned was emotional and sweet. He had not changed much, but he was moody and uninterested in news about the war. During the next nine months, with another deployment expected, life became more urgent as he married and then fathered our first grandchild. Much of that immediate joy was denied him because he was in northern Iraq when his son was born. But our grandson is beautiful and will grow up proud of his father.

My son's second tour in Iraq was, in some ways, easier on us than the first. We knew more of what to expect, and my anxiety dulled to a continuous daily ache. He complained to me about boredom -- and I celebrated ! "A little boredom is a good thing, enjoy it," I would tell him. But with youthful impatience, he longed for more action.

Although the second deployment generally was less stressful, we were confused and angry at the Army when he asked us to buy ammo pouches and other military accessories that weren't issued to him. His convoy to northern Iraq was nerve-wracking and dangerous, but he made it safely. His base was more developed than it was in Anbar, but mortar and rocket-propelled grenade attacks continued, and some fell perilously close. Our persistent worry resurfaced. But he survived all of that and finally flew back home safely.

My view of the war hasn't changed. I am concerned about mistakes made and whether it will be worth all the bloodshed. I wonder how long the troops will remain -- will my son have to go back? Even though our thoughts are full of visits with son, daughter-in-law and grandson, in the back of my mind the worry persists. Rumors are that his unit will return to Iraq next fall. Will he survive?

Anxiety resurrects itself each time I see casualty lists, and I still cry over each soldier's death. I am one with all the parents who lie sleepless every night worrying over their soldier children. Their children are still my children, and that feeling will never end. We are U.S Army and Marine parents, proud of all our sons and daughters who protect this country. But they have seen far too much for people so young, and I don't want any of them to die.

My son is home and alive. He has done his duty and I don't want him to go back.

The writer lives in Arlington, Va
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RE: It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 7:11:53 AM   
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well america has a problem of shitting on other peoples lawns then mowing them down when they complain. its all about one shoe, "ours" fits all democracy. there is good money in it.

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RE: It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 8:07:50 AM   
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I was really trying to stay away from this one but since you busted it open I might as well go with it. I let people have their n=moments and emotions and shit usually, but - so much for that.

If I had a kid and he wanted to go into the military I would shoot him dead. Dead. I have many reasons for this, anyone want to start guessing ?

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RE: It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 8:21:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

...and our war dead. Have any of you seen this one ? I kept it as a reminder of our wars.



It's an interesting and moving piece.

On this day, I also think of our wars and war dead, but I also consider the events of 237 years ago on this date and why we embarked on the course that we did. I think many of us feel the same anguish as the father who wrote this piece. We wonder why we send our young people off to far-off places to fight. What's it all for?

I think it's way past time that we reexamine our national principles and ideals. So many of us have become cynically pragmatic and materialistic that we may have lost our way somewhere along the line. The Bald Eagle is in a gilded cage and likes it so much that he doesn't want to leave, even though he technically has the "freedom" to do so.

We need to recapture the spark that so compelled our Founding Fathers to make a definitive statement against tyranny, as they did on this date back in 1776. It's not enough to just go to war for war's sake. There needs to be a reason. We need to ask why.

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RE: It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 9:08:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zonie63


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

...and our war dead. Have any of you seen this one ? I kept it as a reminder of our wars.



It's an interesting and moving piece.

On this day, I also think of our wars and war dead, but I also consider the events of 237 years ago on this date and why we embarked on the course that we did. I think many of us feel the same anguish as the father who wrote this piece. We wonder why we send our young people off to far-off places to fight. What's it all for?

I think it's way past time that we reexamine our national principles and ideals. So many of us have become cynically pragmatic and materialistic that we may have lost our way somewhere along the line. The Bald Eagle is in a gilded cage and likes it so much that he doesn't want to leave, even though he technically has the "freedom" to do so.

We need to recapture the spark that so compelled our Founding Fathers to make a definitive statement against tyranny, as they did on this date back in 1776. It's not enough to just go to war for war's sake. There needs to be a reason. We need to ask why.


We don't have nearly the balls of our founders or their brethren. Such heroism is long gone from the American diaspora.

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RE: It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 9:15:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I was really trying to stay away from this one but since you busted it open I might as well go with it. I let people have their n=moments and emotions and shit usually, but - so much for that.

If I had a kid and he wanted to go into the military I would shoot him dead. Dead. I have many reasons for this, anyone want to start guessing ?

T^T

.....and that would be an improvement ?

Better to shoot an official who would lie through their teeth to others like him who'd then vote to take us into such wars...for profit and hegemony.

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RE: It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 9:25:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zonie63


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

...and our war dead. Have any of you seen this one ? I kept it as a reminder of our wars.



It's an interesting and moving piece.

On this day, I also think of our wars and war dead, but I also consider the events of 237 years ago on this date and why we embarked on the course that we did. I think many of us feel the same anguish as the father who wrote this piece. We wonder why we send our young people off to far-off places to fight. What's it all for?

I think it's way past time that we reexamine our national principles and ideals. So many of us have become cynically pragmatic and materialistic that we may have lost our way somewhere along the line. The Bald Eagle is in a gilded cage and likes it so much that he doesn't want to leave, even though he technically has the "freedom" to do so.

We need to recapture the spark that so compelled our Founding Fathers to make a definitive statement against tyranny, as they did on this date back in 1776. It's not enough to just go to war for war's sake. There needs to be a reason. We need to ask why.


We don't have nearly the balls of our founders or their brethren. Such heroism is long gone from the American diaspora.


I'm not sure if it's so much a matter of balls as it is brains.

We don't have statesmen anymore; we have used car salesmen and their mafia thugs. They may still have balls, but they have no principles.

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RE: It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 9:51:51 AM   
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quote:

I'm not sure if it's so much a matter of balls as it is brains.

We don't have statesmen anymore; we have used car salesmen and their mafia thugs. They may still have balls, but they have no principles.


THIS
I don't post on many threads, or go round and round on many debates because in the end, who really gives a real fuck about most of us?
PLEASE, for the sake of argument, name 10 people that are living, and under 70?


The only way anything major is every going to change, is when enough people rise up and do something about it.
Good luck on waiting for our elected officials to ever enact any real major change.
Unbridled Capitalism, unending corporate greed and the wonderful free market rules the day!
In the end, the 2%, those with the deepest pockets/special interests, big business and major corporations run this country.


Happy 4th of July to everyone!
Time to celebrate all that our country represents!
Peace


< Message edited by Marini -- 7/4/2013 10:05:31 AM >


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RE: It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 10:37:29 AM   
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It is now the 4th and I think of our wars

In no particular order . . .

I think of our freedoms and of the "brave men, living and dead, who struggled" to win and preserve them for us. And of the women too, if I may edit Mr. Lincoln.

I think of "amber waves of grain" and the incredible blessings bestowed on our land, and of the need to be wise stewards of them.

I think of "heroes proved in liberating strife," who have challenged each generation to live up to the nation's high ideals.

I think of "huddled masses yearning to breathe free," who mustered the guts and grit to brave a new world and who have enriched our culture in countless ways.

I think of "a thousand points of light"--dedicated public servants and community volunteers whose efforts, great and small, help us "build a beautiful city."

I think of the noble and still unfinished work to "achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."

I think of "oceans white with foam" and all those, in whatever corner of the land, celebrating with family and friends.

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RE: It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 11:40:17 AM   
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We don't have nearly the balls of our founders or their brethren. Such heroism is long gone from the American diaspora.

Perhaps you're not looking hard enough?

I find myself thinking of . . .

-- people who marched nonviolently to erase Jim Crow laws,

-- kids who braved insults and worse to attend previously segregated schools,

-- women who fought, and fight, workplace discrimination and glass ceilings,

-- astronauts who ventured into the final frontier with no guarantee of coming back,

-- gays and lesbians who risk ostracism to come out as their authentic selves,

-- the drag queens who fought back at Stonewall,

-- HIV patients who led the fight against a disease few seemed interested in acknowledging, let alone battling,

-- the passengers on Flight 93 who thwarted terrorists' plans to attack the Capitol, and

-- firefighters who daily risk life and limb to keep others safe.

I'm sure others can provide many more examples.

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RE: It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 1:16:49 PM   
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I don't post on many threads


No but when you do, it's almost always worth reading

Happy 4th

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RE: It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 1:25:28 PM   
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO AMERICA!
(but not to the politicians)

I heard a great song by a lady from Scotland, Eddy Reader (M.B.E.) called "The Low lands of Holland"
which sums "war" up nicely.
I can't seem to find it on Youtube, can anyone find a link to it? It's a hauntingly beautiful song.

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RE: It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 1:47:12 PM   
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quote:

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It is now the 4th and I think of our wars

In no particular order . . .

I think of our freedoms and of the "brave men, living and dead, who struggled" to win and preserve them for us. And of the women too, if I may edit Mr. Lincoln.

I think of "amber waves of grain" and the incredible blessings bestowed on our land, and of the need to be wise stewards of them.

I think of "heroes proved in liberating strife," who have challenged each generation to live up to the nation's high ideals.

I think of "huddled masses yearning to breathe free," who mustered the guts and grit to brave a new world and who have enriched our culture in countless ways.

I think of "a thousand points of light"--dedicated public servants and community volunteers whose efforts, great and small, help us "build a beautiful city."

I think of the noble and still unfinished work to "achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."

I think of "oceans white with foam" and all those, in whatever corner of the land, celebrating with family and friends.




yeh I had that fantasy once too, then I grew up.

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RE: It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 1:51:49 PM   
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO AMERICA!
(but not to the politicians)

I heard a great song by a lady from Scotland, Eddy Reader (M.B.E.) called "The Low lands of Holland"
which sums "war" up nicely.
I can't seem to find it on Youtube, can anyone find a link to it? It's a hauntingly beautiful song.



Huh?

Happy birthday? Whats all that about? I guess we read different history books!

Who was the first president of the United States?

All of us say “George Washington.” But it’s wrong at least technically. Washington was not inaugurated until April 30, 1789. And yet, the United States continually had functioning governments from as early as September 5, 1774 and operated as a confederated nation from as early as July 4, 1776. During that nearly fifteen year interval we got many presidents but we never heard about them. So here following brief biographies profile these "forgotten presidents” Before “George Washington.”

1. John Hanson (1721-1783):

John Hanson (April 14, 1721 – November 22, 1783) was a merchant and public official from Maryland during the era of the American Revolution. After serving in a variety of roles for the Patriot cause in Maryland, in 1779. Hanson was elected as a delegate to the Continental Congress. He signed the Articles of Confederation in 1781 after Maryland finally joined the other states in ratifying them. In November 1781, he became the first President of Congress to be elected under the terms of the Articles of Confederation. For this reason, Hanson was later promoted as having been the first President of the United States, one of several myths about him.

2. Elias Boudinot (1740–1821) :

Elias Boudinot (1740–1821) was a lawyer and statesman from Elizabeth, New Jersey who was a delegate to the Continental Congress and a U.S. Congressman for New Jersey. He also served as President of the Continental Congress from 1782 to 1783 and Director of the United States Mint from 1795 until 1805.

3. Thomas Mifflin:(1744-1800):

Thomas Mifflin (January 10, 1744 – January 20, 1800) was an American merchant and politician from Philadelphia at Pennsylvania. He was a major general in the Continental Army during the American Revolution, a member of the Pennsylvania Provincial Assembly, a Continental Congressman from Pennsylvania, fifth President of the U.S. Congress under the Articles of Confederation, and a delegate to the Constitutional Convention of 1787. He served as Speaker of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives, President of the Pennsylvania Supreme Executive Council and the first Governor of Pennsylvania.

4. Richard Henry Lee:(1732-1794):

Richard Henry Lee (January 20, 1732 – June 19, 1794) was an American statesman from Virginia best known for the motion in the Second Continental Congress calling for the colonies' independence from Great Britain. His famous resolution of June 1776 led to the United States Declaration of Independence, which Lee signed. He also served a one-year term as the President of the Continental Congress, and was a U.S. Senator from Virginia from 1789 to 1792, serving during part of that time as one of the first Presidents pro tempore.

5.John Hancock:(1737-1793):

John Hancock (January 23, 1737 – October 8, 1793) was a merchant, statesman, and prominent Patriot of the American Revolution. He served as president of the Second Continental Congress and was the first governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. He is remembered for his large and stylish signature on the United States Declaration of Independence, so much so that "John Hancock" became, in the United States, a synonym for signature.

6.Nathaniel Gorham:(1738-1796):

Nathaniel Gorham (May 27, 1738 – June 11, 1796) was the eighth President of the United States in Congress assembled, under the Articles of Confederation. He served from June 1786 to November 13, 1786. He was preceded in office by John Hancock and succeeded by Arthur St. Clair. He took part in public affairs at the beginning of the American Revolution, was a member of the Massachusetts General Court (Legislature) from 1771 until 1775, a delegate to the Provincial congress from 1774 until 1775, and a member of the Board of War from 1778 until its dissolution in 1781. In 1779 he served in the State constitutional convention. He was a delegate to the Continental Congress from 1782 until 1783, and also from 1785 until 1787. Gorham also served a term as judge of the Middlesex County, Massachusetts Court of Common Pleas.

7. Arthur St. Clair:(1734-1818):

Arthur St. Clair (March 23, 1737– August 31, 1818) was an American soldier and politician. During the American Revolutionary War, he rose to the rank of major general in the Continental Army, but lost his command after a controversial retreat. After the war, he was elected to the Confederation Congress, where he served a term as president and was appointed governor of the Northwest Territory. Disputes with Native Americans over land treaties resulted in the Northwest Indian War. In 1791, General St. Clair led an expedition against the natives that resulted in the worst defeat the United States Army would ever suffer at the hands of Native Americans. Although an investigation exonerated him, St. Clair resigned his army commission. He continued to serve as territorial governor until 1802, when he retired to Pennsylvania. Although once very wealthy, he died in poverty.

8. Cyrus Griffin(1736-1796):

Cyrus Griffin (July 16, 1749 – December 14, 1810) was a lawyer and judge who served as the last President of the Continental Congress, holding office from January 22, 1788, to November 2, 1788. He resigned after the ratification of the United States Constitution rendered the old Congress obsolete.He served as President of Congress from January to November 1788, a mostly ceremonial position with no real authority.Some amateur historians later promoted Griffin and other Presidents of Congress as the original "Presidents of the United States", but the offices are unrelated.Griffin was president of the Supreme Court of the Admiralty from its creation until its abolition, was commissioner to the Creek nation in 1789, and was judge of the United States District Court for the District of Virginia from December 1789, until his death (in Yorktown, Virginia) on December 14, 1810. want more info.click here
http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/us_constitution/news.php?q=1244133512
hirenkatharotiya.blogspot.com/2009/05/8-presidents-before-george-washington.html


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RE: It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 1:58:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

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I'm not sure if it's so much a matter of balls as it is brains.

We don't have statesmen anymore; we have used car salesmen and their mafia thugs. They may still have balls, but they have no principles.


THIS
I don't post on many threads, or go round and round on many debates because in the end, who really gives a real fuck about most of us?
PLEASE, for the sake of argument, name 10 people that are living, and under 70?


The only way anything major is every going to change, is when enough people rise up and do something about it.
Good luck on waiting for our elected officials to ever enact any real major change.
Unbridled Capitalism, unending corporate greed and the wonderful free market rules the day!
In the end, the 2%, those with the deepest pockets/special interests, big business and major corporations run this country.


Happy 4th of July to everyone!
Time to celebrate all that our country represents!
Peace




there are a lot of people that are rapidly coming to realize that this whole thing we call government is mirrored feudalism pyramid scam reconstructed by changing the language to achieve the same ends.

Why are we taxed when in the modern day of computers we can be invoiced for what we actually use? Hell why are property taxes leveled against the property that no one has voted for nor put up as a security for taxation being foreclosed upon? Why was securitization completely unlawful and how did it become a matter of course for government and banking? Lets start there. They have no jurisdiction and we the dummies opt into it not because of full disclosure but without full disclosure, now lets talk about the citizenship and the elements of a contract. Freedom. yeh sure.

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Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

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RE: It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 2:41:42 PM   
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then I grew up.

Well, that's one way to describe it.

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RE: It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 2:50:37 PM   
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No but when you do, it's almost always worth reading

Happy 4th


Why, thank you so much!
I enjoy reading what you have to say, also.
Happy 4th to you!

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RE: It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 2:57:09 PM   
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Thanks for sharing this very thoughtful editorial, Mr. Rodgers.
I think it is very appropriate for the 4th of July.


Happy 4th to everyone.

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RE: It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 3:08:01 PM   
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Hey Marini, and Happy Fourth to You!

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RE: It is now the 4th and I think of our wars - 7/4/2013 3:14:49 PM   
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Hey Marini, and Happy Fourth to You!


Welcome back to the boards Popeye!
I bet this day is even more special being a veteran.
I DID have to chuckle, when I read that you typed:

Happy 4th of July, to everyone except the politicians!
I have to agree with you.

Happy 4th to you!


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Nelson Mandela
Life-long Democrat, not happy at all with Democratic Party.
NOT a Republican/Moderate and free agent

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