RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods

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cloudboy -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/7/2013 12:43:36 PM)
quote: Are you seriously defending what Mod11 did? Really? It's one thing to have a moderator inserting oversight into a discussion, and its another (especially) in a political forum to have others reporting posts they don't like or find offensive. Reports force the moderators into action. I enjoy trying to win an argument or getting into a debate, but it's not my personality to report another poster to the moderators during a debate. I like the nut-jobs better than the tattle-tales. I just never understood that the censorship here is (often) poster driven --- b/c no post I've ever read by another has ever struck me as crossing a line. Its all been fair game to me. Exceptions would be actual threats, unlawful comments, and actions that might actually harm another poster in real life (like outing them, getting them into trouble, or fired from their job.) Colorful language, mockery, derision, satire, digs, a little name calling, etc -- I can handle all of this one-on-one without going to the classroom teacher for help. I also would not characterize that as turd in the pool either (which is a self-serving observation.) I have not been ticketed myself for several years -- but in the past three months I've received two b/c of complaints from conservative posters. In one I accused a poster of having a "hard-on" from the IRS scandal and the other didn't like how I quoted his post. Before this, years had gone by without complaint. The hard-on diatribe was dead on, funny, and satirical (a good read with bite), but I realized to not get censored I have to tone down what I say or be more creative with it. One thing I may do is block all the ticket-givers so I don't have to engage with them, but I only like blocking others as a last resort or b/c I hate their avatars. Lastly, some people don't fight fairly. These of course are the lowest scum. But I would not run to the moderators here for help unless it got completely out of hand.

tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/7/2013 12:57:56 PM)
quote: One thing I may do is block all the ticket-givers so I don't have to engage with them, but I only like blocking others as a last resort or b/c I hate their avatars. How do you know who is creating tickets? quote: Lastly, some people don't fight fairly. These of course are the lowest scum. But I would not run to the moderators here for help unless it got completely out of hand. Whose definition of "out of hand" do we use?

BitYakin -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/7/2013 1:24:04 PM)
quote: I just never understood that the censorship here is (often) poster driven --- b/c no post I've ever read by another has ever struck me as crossing a line. Its all been fair game to me. Exceptions would be actual threats, unlawful comments, and actions that might actually harm another poster in real life (like outing them, getting them into trouble, or fired from their job.) if I may, I'd like to point something out here, some people originaly came to this site to find mates, do you not think potential mates seeing people, hmmm, what the right word, demonized in these forums might HARM thier chances of finding what they actually came to this site to find? so all the name calling an backbiting and insulting etc etc etc could very well harm thier chances to find a mate "in real life" if a potential mate comes here and reads the things people say about eachother here... femsub A says maledom B is a this and a that and several other things, and she has known him and talked with him frequently, so if maledom B ever sends me a mail saying HI how's it going I am going to block him imeadiatly! you can pick any variant on the A & B personas now you can say who would want a mate who beleives crap written on a forum over what they see in a person first hand and blah blah blah all ya want, but its quite possible after reading things here they will never give a person a chance to get to know them on a first hand basis. the point is, some of the things said here can damage a persons social standing out in the dating area and have real world consequenses.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/7/2013 3:22:07 PM)
And it is great. Someone can read what someone writes and get a better idea of the type of person they may be. People need to accept personal responsibility. No one makes anyone do anything, you either do it yourself with thought before or you cannot control yourself. Life is harsh, and it is meant to be. The point is, own what you do. quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin the point is, some of the things said here can damage a persons social standing out in the dating area and have real world consequenses.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/7/2013 3:23:30 PM)
The mods enforce the rules. The solution seems simple to me, don't break the rules, don't walk along the line in case you crossed it without knowing.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/7/2013 3:27:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf The mods enforce the rules. If they only enforced the rules as they are written, a lot of problems wouldn't occur. It hasn't been apparent in almost a year but last summer "Calvinball Moderation" was very common.

BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/7/2013 3:51:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf The mods enforce the rules. The solution seems simple to me, don't break the rules, don't walk along the line in case you crossed it without knowing. What a quaint notion.

BitYakin -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/7/2013 6:13:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf And it is great. Someone can read what someone writes and get a better idea of the type of person they may be. People need to accept personal responsibility. No one makes anyone do anything, you either do it yourself with thought before or you cannot control yourself. Life is harsh, and it is meant to be. The point is, own what you do. quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin the point is, some of the things said here can damage a persons social standing out in the dating area and have real world consequenses. ya know, I have NO PROBLEM with that, all I was saying is when people malign people and impune thier character, it can hurt thier reputation! reminds me of this movie I saw once, scifi movie, this group says they plan to charge that this clinic's precedure causes cancer the other guys says, but it doesn't cause cancer it creates monsters the first guy says, yeahhh but that won't matter when peaople hear it causes cancer they will stop going just to be safe! same principle, some people will read a lie and decide, true or not why should I take a chance?

tj444 -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/7/2013 6:22:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin femsub A says maledom B is a this and a that and several other things, and she has known him and talked with him frequently, so if maledom B ever sends me a mail saying HI how's it going I am going to block him imeadiatly! does it occur to you that if someone believes in gossip or what someone else yaks about you, and they dismiss you based on only that (& not by what your own profile & posts say, etc).. that you were actually done a favor.. I grew up in a small gossipy town and I didnt want to have anything to do with the mindless serial gossipers.. why bother with people that stupid?

OsideGirl -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/7/2013 7:57:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf The mods enforce the rules. If they only enforced the rules as they are written, a lot of problems wouldn't occur. It hasn't been apparent in almost a year but last summer "Calvinball Moderation" was very common. Two things: When was the last time you (as a group, not just Hilly) checked the forum guidelines? I just noticed that the guidelines for the Intros forum changed. If it hadn't been pointed out to me in someone else's post, I wouldn't have known. The second is that rules are open to interpretation and the only interpretation that really matters is one belonging to the owners. We are guests on a privately owned forum. If I don't understand an interpretation, I ask. We're in someone else's house and I know that in my house, I expect guests to follow my rules whether they agree with them or not.

Politesub53 -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/8/2013 4:00:11 AM)
I agree with Oside, you own a forum you set the rules. I have had more than my share of Cmail from the mods but 99% of the time its my own fault, even if i let others get under my skin. I would also love to know how Cloudboy claims to know who creates the tickets.

truckinslave -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/8/2013 5:39:48 AM)
Never did like crybabies. It's just a guess, of course, but I'd take small bets that many of the crybabies are not the people at whom the "abuse" is directed. In other words, person Z complains to the mods that " X and Y are calling names" Crybaby tattletales, just like kindergarten

cloudboy -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/8/2013 7:59:48 AM)
quote: I would also love to know how Cloudboy claims to know who creates the tickets. See post #129. Who =s posters forcing the moderators into action as opposed to the moderators inserting themselves into a discussion.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/8/2013 9:04:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 you own a forum you set the rules. ABSODAMNLUTELY. That said, don't tell someone "you broke the rules" and send them a link that doesn't include the supposed infraction because it's not there nor has it ever been. Wanna change the rules, cool. Change em. Wanna make them up as you go along? Uncool. As for tickets, afaik, mods now respond to tickets before sending letters or making changes. One of our former mods used to go hunting for supposed violations to the point where I got a gold letter for a post that had stood unmolested for 80 days. Overzealous? You decide. Same person was pretty famous for stirring up posts by 'cleaning' one that had been contentious but was a couple of weeks old and had died. Of course the cleaning brought it back up to the top so the forgotten could start anew. I refer to that as "Scab Picking". Hmmmmmm That one's healed and forgotten. Let's go pick at it and restart the bleeding.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/8/2013 9:06:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 I would also love to know how Cloudboy claims to know who creates the tickets. That wasn't cloudboy, it was me and I only knew about some of them and I'm not telling how. Suffice to say that no Mods broke trust and told me as Gamma was convinced [;)].

VideoAdminChi -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/8/2013 9:16:52 AM)
quote: One thing I may do is block all the ticket-givers so I don't have to engage with them You would be incorrect in assuming that all, or even most, tickets are created by posters who were directly involved in the exchange, and in your specific cases you would be blocking the wrong people.

VideoAdminChi -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/8/2013 9:32:20 AM)
quote: I refer to that as "Scab Picking". Hmmmmmm That one's healed and forgotten. Let's go pick at it and restart the bleeding. I think you are doing the same by complaining about past moderation staff and that you should complain about me instead [8D]

cloudboy -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/8/2013 9:54:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi quote: One thing I may do is block all the ticket-givers so I don't have to engage with them You would be incorrect in assuming that all, or even most, tickets are created by posters who were directly involved in the exchange, and in your specific cases you would be blocking the wrong people. Do not worry. I was venting. My lesson has been to learn about human nature and how things operate. I now look at the "report" button in a different light. Some folks use that with regularity.

LadyPact -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/8/2013 9:57:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin quote: I just never understood that the censorship here is (often) poster driven --- b/c no post I've ever read by another has ever struck me as crossing a line. Its all been fair game to me. Exceptions would be actual threats, unlawful comments, and actions that might actually harm another poster in real life (like outing them, getting them into trouble, or fired from their job.) if I may, I'd like to point something out here, some people originaly came to this site to find mates, do you not think potential mates seeing people, hmmm, what the right word, demonized in these forums might HARM thier chances of finding what they actually came to this site to find? so all the name calling an backbiting and insulting etc etc etc could very well harm thier chances to find a mate "in real life" if a potential mate comes here and reads the things people say about eachother here... femsub A says maledom B is a this and a that and several other things, and she has known him and talked with him frequently, so if maledom B ever sends me a mail saying HI how's it going I am going to block him imeadiatly! you can pick any variant on the A & B personas now you can say who would want a mate who beleives crap written on a forum over what they see in a person first hand and blah blah blah all ya want, but its quite possible after reading things here they will never give a person a chance to get to know them on a first hand basis. the point is, some of the things said here can damage a persons social standing out in the dating area and have real world consequenses. It amazes Me that folks can actually quote what another person says and not understand a word of it. Hey, I'm GLAD that people have reported some things that one poster or another has put up on the forums in regard to Me. When it comes to the things that cloudboy listed above, I'd be damned shocked if there is anybody on these forums that don't want Mods around for cases like outting, harassment, publicizing personal information linking their vanilla life, etc. If a person's own actions on these forums in those categories hurt their dating chances in real life, that isn't the fault of the Mods. Or, perhaps you'd prefer boards where it's acceptable to do those things that cloudboy listed above?

Hillwilliam -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/8/2013 10:21:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi quote: I refer to that as "Scab Picking". Hmmmmmm That one's healed and forgotten. Let's go pick at it and restart the bleeding. I think you are doing the same by complaining about past moderation staff and that you should complain about me instead [8D] Except for the fact that you won't send nakie pictures, I have no reason to complain about you.[8D]

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