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The Tea Party’s History of the American Revolution - 7/6/2013 7:46:41 AM   
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In 1775, Thomas Jefferson and John Quincy Adams set sail across the Delaware River to tell the King of England they had enough of his liberal agenda. King James called Napoleon and together they decided to kill America. They sent the Nina, the Piñata and the Santa Maria to fight. But then, George Washington and Abraham Lincoln gathered an army to turn back the big government dictators. They told Paul Revere to ride his horse to Frodo to tell him to cast the ring of power into the fires of Mount Doom. But then, John Wilkes Booth showed up and killed Lincoln. But there was still hope, because Jesus appeared on the face of the Liberty Bell and he froze John Wilkes Booth in carbonite. And the liberal homosexuals sailed back to their gay countries, while Americans claimed their land and drank beer. And that's how freedom was born.





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RE: The Tea Party’s History of the American Revolution - 7/6/2013 7:59:03 AM   
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What an interesting collection of ill-informed drivel! The "Piñata"? Really?

I don't know too many Tea Party members but I do know a few and these are not the things they espouse.

I also know a common tactic of the PPLs is to misrepresent the views of anyone that doesn't march in lock-step with the current failure-in-chief.



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RE: The Tea Party’s History of the American Revolution - 7/6/2013 8:11:11 AM   
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Which is pretty much the routine when Americans don't walk in lock-step with the failures-in-chiefs of Reagan, Nixon, Bush, W, Ford, and so on............

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RE: The Tea Party’s History of the American Revolution - 7/6/2013 8:16:35 AM   
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What an interesting collection of ill-informed drivel! The "Piñata"? Really?

I don't know too many Tea Party members but I do know a few and these are not the things they espouse.

I also know a common tactic of the PPLs is to misrepresent the views of anyone that doesn't march in lock-step with the current failure-in-chief.



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RE: The Tea Party’s History of the American Revolution - 7/6/2013 8:50:52 AM   
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~Fast Reply~

These threads always amaze me.

At what point do conservatives, Tea Party members, republicans, whatever, start BELIEVING that this is how liberals and such REALLY think of them and take action upon that?

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RE: The Tea Party’s History of the American Revolution - 7/6/2013 9:05:35 AM   
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At what point do conservatives, Tea Party members, republicans, whatever, start BELIEVING that this is how liberals and such REALLY think of them and take action upon that?


At what point do liberals, progressives, socialists, whatever start BELIEVING that this is how conservatives and such REALLY think of them and take action upon that?

See how silly that statement looks when you change a few words?

Why should conservatives just start being more like liberals? Well, they wouldn't be conservatives, anymore, then.



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RE: The Tea Party’s History of the American Revolution - 7/6/2013 10:14:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
At what point do conservatives, Tea Party members, republicans, whatever, start BELIEVING that this is how liberals and such REALLY think of them and take action upon that?


At what point do liberals, progressives, socialists, whatever start BELIEVING that this is how conservatives and such REALLY think of them and take action upon that?

See how silly that statement looks when you change a few words?

Why should conservatives just start being more like liberals? Well, they wouldn't be conservatives, anymore, then.



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I am not sure of your point.

If you consistently demonize or belittle those that disagree with you, at what point does the belittled/demonized take action based on how they believe they are perceived?

If you continually call me evil at what point should I take action to protect myself from what you MIGHT do to someone that you believe is evil?

There is a lot of rhetoric stating that the "other side" should be shot/killed/incarcerated/whatever. At what point does that "other side" start to take action to prevent those things from happening to them?

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RE: The Tea Party’s History of the American Revolution - 7/6/2013 10:24:08 AM   
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I had this urge to drink some beer for some reason. STOP THAT NONSENSE..........LOL.

I think we take action by making sure we always have the right to BARE ARMS. TIme for my nap Pa, the double barrel is all shined up in the corner.

Im having way to much fun, way way to much fun.

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RE: The Tea Party’s History of the American Revolution - 7/6/2013 10:27:31 AM   
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~Fast Reply~

These threads always amaze me.

At what point do conservatives, Tea Party members, republicans, whatever, start BELIEVING that this is how liberals and such REALLY think of them and take action upon that?

2010?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Oakland_freeway_shootout

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RE: The Tea Party’s History of the American Revolution - 7/6/2013 11:55:34 AM   
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What an interesting collection of ill-informed drivel! The "Piñata"? Really?

I don't know too many Tea Party members but I do know a few and these are not the things they espouse.

I also know a common tactic of the PPLs is to misrepresent the views of anyone that doesn't march in lock-step with the current failure-in-chief.



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You leave something out, the cartoon with Jefferson is spot dead on. The tea party/GOP base is claiming routinely that the founders were religious (which was true, in varying ways) and that they wanted the country to be a 'Christian' nation, that the constitution's 1st amendment doesn't mean you can't have school prayer, crosses in courtrooms and so forth and more importantly, that civil law can and should be based on religious belief. Want proof? Read the dissents in the Lawrence decision and in the recent Windsor decision, where such bright lights as Scalia and Alito proclaim that religious belief and moral law have been and should be part of the civic law.

Both Jefferson and Madison, who had incredible influence in the founding of this country and especially in writing the constitution and the Bill of Rights, both feared the power religion held over society, having the examples of both the RC and the Anglican churches at their fingertips. Both of them believed the statement that if you mix church and state, you end up with an oppressive state and a corrupt religion; all one needs do is look at evangelical Christians to see that one.

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RE: The Tea Party’s History of the American Revolution - 7/6/2013 12:14:57 PM   
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There is a lot of mis statement of fact about the founding among the tea partiers, which is not surprising, because a lot of them are not particularly well educated, and they also tend to get their information from demagogues and talk radio rather than bothering to read and figure it out for themselves. What is even more sad is when someone like Scalia can say things that are patently false in a judicial writing, and not be challenged on it. He said the DOMA case should never have come to the Supreme Court, because the constitution doesn't mention a right to same sex marriage..this whole enumeration thing is a stupid argument, because it also didn't mention interracial marriage bans, either, cause it doesn't mention marriage at all....marriage is up to the states. However, he said the court doesn't have the right to override the will of Congress, and that is dead spot wrong, the Supreme Court was founded to be a check on the legislators, and what he also left out is the 14th amendment prohibits unequal treatment under the law; but Scalia argued they had no such jurisdiction, they had no right to decide the constitutionality of laws congress made! Really? So what was the Supreme court for, to have a place to sit in neat robes and pretend to work?

The literal interpretation of the constitution was made moot early on, when Marbury V Madison established firmly that the Supreme Court was the arbiter of the constitution, that is a classic example, because the constitution doesn't actually say what the Supreme Court did, one way or the other. Literalism also assumes the Constitution was meant to be a literalist document (not surprising, many of those who support this position are also religious fundamentalists) and there is a big problem with that, the people who wrote the constitution knew it wasn't complete, they didn't pretend it could be made so, and to get it made and ratified they left it deliberately vague. They also made amending the constitution difficult, because they wanted the 'holes' in the constitution to be figured out by legislators and the courts, they could have given us the California method of amending their constitution (which is a joke), but they didn't, they basically said "work it out, using knowledge of your time and place".

More importantly, the tea party haven't read history, their idea that they represent the 'patriots' who 'threw the tea over board' never read what was really going on (for example, the British tea even with the tax was a lot cheaper then the smuggled tea people were drinking; that boycott, not surprisingly, made some smugglers and merchants quite wealthy, including Hancock). Their image of the revolution and the founding is comic book simplicity, that these were a bunch of men, God inspired, who created this perfect constitution that has been destroyed by judges, liberal politicians and so forth.....course, the fact is, if you had their vision of America many of them would find themselves poor, maybe indentured servants, and whining about how unfair everything is, because they know very little about what sticking to the original constitution as written would mean, it would be a disaster area, and we would probably have Jim Crow, we would have a society with an aristocracy and everyone else almost serfs (take a look at the Antebellum South , it was pretty close)......

Santayana once said that those that don't read and understand history are doomed to repeat its failures, and with the tea party, it is even worse, because not only don't they read and understand history, they take in what someone else tells them is history and believe it like religious faith, which is pathetic.

BTW, before claiming this is a knock on conservatives, it isn't, it is a knock on a group of people claiming the conservative mantle who shouldn't be. People like William F Buckley and Goldwater hated people like the tea party types and the extreme right that has come to be called 'Conservative', Goldwater predicted that the GOP's southern strategy, and the "Reagan" revolution bringing in the evangelicals, would destroy conservatism, and he was right;Buckley called them the know nothings, and that hit the nail on the head. Look at the politicians closely associated with the tea party, and you see people like Cruz, Bachmann, Sarah Palin and their ilk, and what do you see? The whole "real american" nonsense, the culture of 'ordinary folks know best' which is nothing more then ignorance is bliss, it is anti intellectual, it is anti actually reasoning out a position, something that as much as I disagreed with them about things, Buckley, Goldwater and people like George Will at least had an argument to make, a reasoned one, even if I disagreed; the tea party is like the evangelicals, there is no reasoning with them, there is no interest in understanding nuances or realities, it is their way or the highway, and they have crippled the GOP and made it a laughingstock in many quarters.

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RE: The Tea Party’s History of the American Revolution - 7/6/2013 2:23:52 PM   
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I am not sure of your point.



Then, that makes us even because I'm definitely not sure of yours. You started with:

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At what point do conservatives, Tea Party members, republicans, whatever, start BELIEVING that this is how liberals and such REALLY think of them and take action upon that?


and now, it appears, you have me calling people that disagree with me "evil"? Ummmm No. I never said any such thing. I was just showing you that your statement of (I'm paraphrasing): "Why can't conservatives just shut up and listen to the liberals" was a pretty silly comment because if I changed it around, I'm sure you wouldn't agree.

Anywho, the topic was based in fallacy and bullshit so, I was just responding to that.



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RE: The Tea Party’s History of the American Revolution - 7/6/2013 8:50:38 PM   
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I am not sure of your point.



Then, that makes us even because I'm definitely not sure of yours. You started with:

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At what point do conservatives, Tea Party members, republicans, whatever, start BELIEVING that this is how liberals and such REALLY think of them and take action upon that?


and now, it appears, you have me calling people that disagree with me "evil"? Ummmm No. I never said any such thing. I was just showing you that your statement of (I'm paraphrasing): "Why can't conservatives just shut up and listen to the liberals" was a pretty silly comment because if I changed it around, I'm sure you wouldn't agree.

Anywho, the topic was based in fallacy and bullshit so, I was just responding to that.



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At what point do conservatives, Tea Party members, republicans, whatever, start BELIEVING that this is how liberals and such REALLY think of them and take action upon that?


This is getting off topic so I will reply to you in C-mail.

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RE: The Tea Party’s History of the American Revolution - 7/6/2013 9:07:18 PM   
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I had no problem in the beginning when all the Tea Party wanted was lower taxes - heck, I agreed with them. But they then went off the rails with Birtherism, White Supremacy, restricting the voting rights of people and groups they personally don’t like, anti-choice, anti-unions and so on.

Whatever support I might have had for them disappeared when, at a Tea Party rally on the Boston Common which I attended out of curiosity, two speakers in a row said not a word about taxes but spent their entire speech time claiming that neither Barack Obama or John McCain were American citizens and Alan Keyes (who ran for President from the fringe Constitution Party) should be President, since according to the speakers he was the next highest vote getter after Obama and McCain.

The Tea Party has evolved into this:




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RE: The Tea Party’s History of the American Revolution - 7/6/2013 10:03:27 PM   
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I am wondering if some of the anti religion people can explain something to me

many claim that the foundng fathers felt there was no place in gov't for religion, and that extends down to state gov't as well

so maybe they can explain something that has puzzled me for some time

the state of utah.

for those that do not know this, the state of utah applied for statehood and was denied and told, nooo your state religion is to radical for us, but if you modify your religion (do away with poligamy) we'll let you in, sooo the utah people said OK we'll stop the practice of plural marriage and become a state, THEN after they join, are told, ohhh BTW, you can't have a state religion, futher more you are not allowed to teach your religion, or have ANY religious anything in any gov't affiliated place

so what perplexes me is why tell em they have to modify thier religion, when what they really meant was you can't have a state religion at all!

unlessss way back then, according to the founding fathers, state religion WAS acceptable, its a recent "interpetation" that religion should be banned any and every place they can find the slightest excuse to ban it

now don't get me wrong here, I don't think religion belongs in gov't I really don't. I just find it kinda hypocritical that the original 13 state remained seperate states mainly due to religious differances, but people try to claim the founding fathers were so dead set against religion at any level of gov't

I honestly think, at the time, state religion was allowed and since the country was relatively small, if you didn't like the religion of your state you could just hop across a state line or two and be part of a differant religion. that if the majority of a state wanted to be say quakers, and some people didn't wanna be quakers, say wanted to be mormons, they could go ahead and be mormons someplace else.

clear example: To avoid confrontation with New York residents, the members moved to Kirtland, Ohio and hoped to establish a permanent New Jerusalem or City of Zion in Jackson County, Missouri.[11] However, they were expelled from Jackson County in 1833 and forced to flee Kirtland in early 1838. In Missouri, violent conflicts with other Missourians resulted in the governor of Missouri issuing an "extermination order," expelling Latter Day Saints from Missouri.[12] The displaced Mormons fled to Illinois and settled the city of Nauvoo, Illinois, where they were able to live with a degree of peace and prosperity for a few years.[13] However tensions between Mormons and non-Mormons again escalated to the point that in 1844, Smith was killed by a mob, precipitating a succession crisis.[14] The largest group of Mormons, or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, accepted Brigham Young as the new prophet/leader and emigrated to what became the Utah Territory.[15] There, the church began the open practice of plural marriage, a form of polygyny which Smith had instituted in Nauvoo. Plural marriage became the faith's most sensational characteristic during the 19th century, but vigorous opposition by the United States Congress threatened the church's existence as a legal institution. In his 1890 Manifesto, church president Wilford Woodruff announced the official end of plural marriage.[16]




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RE: The Tea Party’s History of the American Revolution - 7/6/2013 10:30:46 PM   
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quote:

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At what point do conservatives, Tea Party members, republicans, whatever, start BELIEVING that this is how liberals and such REALLY think of them and take action upon that?


This is getting off topic so I will reply to you in C-mail.


I need to say that I completely arsed this up - as the British say. I didn't see the other side of the coin and I can't figure out why.

Aylee, I don't know why I couldn't figure it out; if it was you or me but I do apologize for my part of the misunderstanding.



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