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farglebargle -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:22:03 AM)

Wow. Zimmerman's witness for his defense just identified Zimmerman's metal flashlight as an 'impact weapon'. So now Zimmerman's armed himself with not just his regular CCW, but another weapon -- as he provoked the aggression.

Does anyone dispute that approaching at night with a CLUB IN YOUR HAND isn't provocative?




Powergamz1 -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:22:57 AM)

ROTFLMAO!!!!! Keep it up, pure comedy gold.
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Wow. Zimmerman's witness for his defense just identified Zimmerman's metal flashlight as an 'impact weapon'. So now Zimmerman's armed himself with not just his regular CCW, but another weapon -- as he provoked the aggression.







BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:30:49 AM)

No, I am inclined to believe that Zimmerman is racist because he is a human. Nor did I make any claim that black people can't be racially bigoted. However, white racism and black racism are not on an equal footing. White racism is supported by a power structure that favors whites over non-whites. Google "white privilege."


And black racism manifests itself in individual action.
So to follow your logic it can be said with equal accuracy that Martin clearly attacked Zimmerman because his racism ascribed negative intentions to Zimmerman merely on the color of his skin. In fact that would carry more weight because it was Martin, not Zimmerman who used racial slurs.




Raiikun -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:31:58 AM)

That witness just continued to demolish the prosecution. He managed to get it in that George had no other options but to shoot.




RacerJim -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:32:25 AM)


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You're just making shit up. Zimmerman has black family members and good relationships with his black neighbors. In one case in particular, he went out of his way to help get justice for a black guy who was assaulted by a white cop.


My family is also multiracial. I have black relatives, not just by marriage but by blood. I love them dearly. Yet I confess that if I were walking down a street alone at night and I saw an unknown man coming toward me, I would be more nervous if he were black than if he were white. There is no real justification for this feeling... it is simply the result of having been raised in a racist society in which black people are often portrayed as naturally violent and criminal. It is a matter of intellectual will to overcome my inner racist and to keep walking and to nod and say hello as we pass by instead of crossing to the other side of the street... or calling the police and reporting a suspicious individual in the neighborhood.

If I were walking down a street alone at night and saw an unknown teenager/adult male coming towards me, the only reason I would be more nervous if he were black than if he were white is because violent crime statistics prove that blacks are many times over more prone to commit violent crimes than whites. Facts are facts.

While official racism has been banned in America, one needs only peruse the media and the internet to see that the inner racism I am talking a bout is still rampant and still affects the lives of minorities daily. I don't know George Zimmerman, I've never met him and can't read his mind... but based upon what I know about people, I suspect that if Trayvon was white, he would still be alive today.

While official racism has indeed been banned in America, one need only recall the words ("like a typical white person", "Crazy [racist] police") and actions (not prosecuting Black Panthers for voter intimidation) of the first black pResident of the United States of America to see that the inner reverse racism is still rampant and still affects the lives of all Americans, not just white Americans.

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As for setting "events in motion," when Zimmerman made clear his intent by asking Martin what he was doing there, Martin could have replied along the lines of, "I live here. What's your excuse?" instead of going gangsta on him.


Trayvon didn't owe him an explanation for anything. As a young black man he had probably been subject to such bullshit, insulting, inquiries for much of his life. So it wouldn't be surprising that he wouldn't be feeling polite toward some asshole who thinks he has a right to interrogate him. Google "Microaggressions."

Given the recent history of black teenagers having been arrested for numerous home invasions in the complex, even while the residents were home (talk about brazen gangstas), and the fact that Zimmerman didn't know who Martin was, Trayvon did indeed owe George a polite explanation.

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That was what set the "events in motion" that lead to Martin's death. Otherwise, you might as well blame Zimmerman's mother for ever getting pregnant with George in the first place, and nail the source of the problem on Adam and Eve.


Why stop at Adam and Eve? Why not go all the way back and blame the Big Bang? It is because wild extrapolation is not an argument. On the night in question Zimmerman saw a young black man and he had a choice. He could have ignored his inner racist and given Trayvon the benefit of the doubt (because a man walking down the street should not be considered suspicious, whatever his skin color) but Zimmerman chose otherwise, and thereby set into motion the events that ended a young man's life.


Why not go all the way back indeed. On the night in question, Zimmerman was sitting inside his parked truck when Martin walked past. Zimmerman chose to stay inside his truck and watch. Martin chose to turn around and stare at Zimmerman, walk back to Zimmerman's truck, walk all around Zimmerman's truck peering inside (at which point Zimmerman called 911), walk away then run away when he heard Zimmerman's truck door open (the door-chime?) -- that's a young black teenager acting suspiciously like the black teenagers recently arrested for home invasions. After turning South at the "T" and running out of Zimmerman's sight Martin could have run straight home, gone inside, locked the door, called 911 and stayed inside - obviously he chose not to. Zimmerman asking Martin "What are you doing here." was in fact giving Martin the benefit of the doubt, and Martin chose to go "gangsta" on Zimmerman.




BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:33:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Are you denying people are treated well or badly because of how they look?

Don't put words in my mouth.
Particularly not stupid ones.
After all Zimmerman's appearance is the reason Martin called him a cracker.




tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:38:57 AM)

Exactly, you argued against white privilege instead calling it white guilt... I can assure you, no one who stereotyped me as white and warned me to stay away from those "god damn half breeds" ever had an ounce of guilt at being white.




RacerJim -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:42:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Wow. Zimmerman's witness for his defense just identified Zimmerman's metal flashlight as an 'impact weapon'. So now Zimmerman's armed himself with not just his regular CCW, but another weapon -- as he provoked the aggression.

Does anyone dispute that approaching at night with a CLUB IN YOUR HAND isn't provocative?

Which makes Martin even a bigger fool for initiating a fight with someone WIELDING A CLUB IN THEIR HAND.

I don't think anyone disputes that approaching at night with a CLUB IN YOUR HAND isn't provocative.

I know there has been no evidence or testimony whatsoever even hinting that's what Zimmerman did to Martin.




BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:46:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Exactly, you argued against white privilege instead calling it white guilt... I can assure you, no one who stereotyped me as white and warned me to stay away from those "god damn half breeds" ever had an ounce of guilt at being white.

And those who told me that they couldn't hire me because a black man had shown up for an interview were eaten up with it.
And no I did not refer to white privilege as white guilt they are two different things as you should know well.




mnottertail -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:51:03 AM)

Since she is pretty much Native I doubt she knows much other than white men got no guilt.




tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:53:27 AM)

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And those who told me that they couldn't hire me because a black man had shown up for an interview were eaten up with it.


You assume they were eaten up by it. They may even had told you they were eaten up by it. But, pennies to the dollar, they were more eaten up by the fact that regulations prevented them from hiring another "white male" for the position.




BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:57:59 AM)


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And those who told me that they couldn't hire me because a black man had shown up for an interview were eaten up with it.


You assume they were eaten up by it. They may even had told you they were eaten up by it. But, pennies to the dollar, they were more eaten up by the fact that regulations prevented them from hiring another "white male" for the position.

And those regs were the result of ta da white guilt




tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:59:08 AM)

No they werent. They were the result of white privilege going extreme.




RacerJim -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 9:59:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

RIGHTS aren't taken away by Law. They come from Our Creator ( MY MOMMY in my case... )

"Self Defense" is a qualified immunity, therefore it is a privilege. Don't argue with me, take it up with the publishers of legal dictionaries.

And the Defense just pissed off the Judge for the final time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaLKQvTOXtc

If they're working on their appeal grounds this hard at this point, they know it's all over but the deliberation and verdict.



You have a right to self defense, the fact that it is claimed when isn't does not negate the right.
That is like saying the right of free speech is a privilege because you can't yell fire in a crowded theater.


Did you see the footage of the girl who was taken out of the Texas State House for exercising her 'right of free speech' yesterday?



Yep, sure did. Too bad for her that the Texas State House police, the Texas State's Attorney General and the Texas Governor had warned her and her ilk they would be arrested for Civil Disobedience if they did the same thing yesterday that they did last week.




BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 10:07:45 AM)

Minor example of black racism and the assumption of white racism.
Had a black man walk up to me and tell me that I wouldn't have the conversation I was in if the president wasn't black.
He heard me criticizing government and jumped to a conclusion.
I was talking about the Clinton administration shafting military retirees.
Relevance, most of the assumption that Zimmerman acted out of racism is based on the same level of in depth analysis.




BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 10:09:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

No they werent. They were the result of white privilege going extreme.

right the way to fix bigotry is to institute bigotry the other way.
Lets not derail this thread




tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 10:10:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

No they werent. They were the result of white privilege going extreme.

right the way to fix bigotry is to institute bigotry the other way.


When the majority of business owners and those hiring are white... yes. Dont like what happened? Dont blame other races, blame the race that caused it.




BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 10:11:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

No they werent. They were the result of white privilege going extreme.

right the way to fix bigotry is to institute bigotry the other way.


When the majority of business owners and those hiring are white... yes. Dont like what happened? Dont blame other races, blame the race that caused it.

Not going to participate in derailment




Arturas -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 10:21:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Wow. Zimmerman's witness for his defense just identified Zimmerman's metal flashlight as an 'impact weapon'. So now Zimmerman's armed himself with not just his regular CCW, but another weapon -- as he provoked the aggression.

Does anyone dispute that approaching at night with a CLUB IN YOUR HAND isn't provocative?



It is. However we are talking about a flashlight. Give it up.




Kirata -> RE: Zimmerman III - Should the jury have a manslaughter option (7/10/2013 10:32:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

There is no real justification for this feeling... it is simply the result of having been raised in a racist society

In 2010, despite representing less than 13% of the population, blacks were responsible for 48% of the entire national single-victim single-offender homicide rate. And in New York City, where they form a larger percentage of the population, 61% of all homicides recorded between 2003 and 2011 were committed by blacks.

K.




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