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jlf1961 -> What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 6:15:02 AM)
I have noticed in my time here on collarme, that the majority of posters fall into one of two categories. There seem to be very few moderates on the boards. So there are three possibilities for the Future of the United States, two in our control, one that isnt. Option 1, the ultra conservatives gain the upper hand and we end up with a theocracy, i.e like V for Vendetta or the classic "The Handmaid's Tale." Option 2) We end up with a liberal country where everything is legal but guns. Option 3) Some despot in some collapsing regime decides to start nuking people for making his life a living hell by setting up sanctions for human rights violations, sponsoring terrorism or just because he hasnt gotten laid in a month and he is going to nuke the planet. In my opinion, compromise has become some evil thing that should never be considered by either side. Personally, considering the problems that civilization has caused in the forms of pollution, poverty and general distrust, I would almost consider living in a post apocalyptic world a welcome change. At least then people would have a fair idea of where they stand in relation to everyone else.

Moonhead -> RE: What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 6:30:14 AM)
V For Vendetta isn't a theocracy: that's bullshit that the Wachowskis added to the film (partly as they thought a film about a blatantly neo nazi take over of the UK wouldn't play well in white supremacist circles, so switching it to a theocracy set up a new set of bad guys who wouldn't offend the wingnuts) and rumour has it is the main reason for Alan Moore demanding that his name be taken off the film.

vincentML -> RE: What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 6:35:53 AM)
quote: In my opinion, compromise has become some evil thing that should never be considered by either side. Let's see, there were . . . the Compromise of 1887 . . . the Constitution The Missouri Compromise of 1820 The Compromise of 1850 All of which lead to War . . 1861 The efficacy of compromise in our history seems overrated. An illusion. Our system and our culture seem to foster an ongoing civil war. Don't expect that to change. And maybe that is a good thing.

DarkSteven -> RE: What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 6:40:43 AM)
I don't get it. Look at your options 1 and 2. They say the same thing: one side wins and gets complete power to do what they want, unmindful of the other side. What happened? We used to have compromise. The winning side got 60% or so of what they wanted, and the losing side got 40% or so. Clinton reached across the aisle. Reagan, even though the no-compromise-ever conservatives use him as their poster child, compromised. IMO, it wasn't until W and Obama that the idea of my-way-or-the-highway became SOP. As a result, we get more acrimony, less civility, worse results, and crazier people.

Moonhead -> RE: What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 6:53:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven IMO, it wasn't until W and Obama that the idea of my-way-or-the-highway became SOP. To be fair to the Kenyan, Steven, he spent most of his first term bending over backwards to try to compromise with the Republican elements of both houses, who weren't having it any cost. It's become a bipartisan thing, sadly, but that looks more like the Democrats have given up on trying to negotiate with an opposing party who refuse to give an inch on anything they try to put forwards, including legislation largely based on approaches their own party originated, which has now become unacceptable because it's the other bunch trying to do it now that they're the ones in power. The Democrats are also less inclined to march in ideological lockstep, so they have a bit more experience of dealing with unhinged lunatics (the blue dog elements spring to mind) and reaching (or forcing, or giving up on in disgust) a compromise, or something vaguely resembling one.

Yachtie -> RE: What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 7:06:31 AM)
FR Most compromise is but the slowing of change from the status-quo. Eventually it does get where there is "more acrimony, less civility, worse results, and crazier people." If history be a guide, it's inevitable. Not that history repeats itself, but it does rhyme. "May you live in interesting times" is a curse. What the future holds, and not just for America, is eventual upheaval, a paradigm shift into who knows what.

Moonhead -> RE: What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 7:18:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie "May you live in interesting times" is a curse. A Chinese curse. If you want to know what your deadlocked government sulk off between the parties, your refusal to regulate the economy and your outsourcing of the workforce to increase the plutocracy's profit margins is going to lead in America's future, that's well worth remembering.

tj444 -> RE: What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 7:19:56 AM)
what is your definition of a "moderate"? I mean, a US Liberal/Democrat would be considered a Conservative in Canada.. Just sayin'.. [;)]

Moonhead -> RE: What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 7:38:53 AM)
A fair point, but judging from the OP, in this context "moderate" means willing to negotiate with the other side...

chatterbox24 -> RE: What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 7:46:04 AM)
The usual, groups fighting groups for power. People flock to America because of the freedom it allows, but then try to change the very power, that allowed them to come here in the first place. The very principles we were founded on, people want to change in their favor, they want to control, and say I don't believe that way and I don't want it shoved down my throat so they want to tear the very fabric that has worked, not without fault of course, but it worked. You tear at the fabric and the holes just keep getting bigger. All people should be treated with respect, but you don't go into someones house and change their rules, because you will no longer be a guest. Same goes, don't come to a country try to change the rules, that made it what it is, to suit you.Everyone needs up wanting to be the boss, and cry prejudice and mistreatment. It is the land of the free for a reason, but if the holes keep being torn in the fabric it will be the land of the lost. Certain people will not stand for that, and of course there will be war among the people, as there as always been.

Real0ne -> RE: What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 7:46:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: In my opinion, compromise has become some evil thing that should never be considered by either side. Let's see, there were . . . the Compromise of 1887 . . . the Constitution The Missouri Compromise of 1820 The Compromise of 1850 All of which lead to War . . 1861 The efficacy of compromise in our history seems overrated. An illusion. Our system and our culture seem to foster an ongoing civil war. Don't expect that to change. And maybe that is a good thing. We need a real president rather than these el prazzie danties that we get out of britain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfG89BkvPOU

jlf1961 -> RE: What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 9:35:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead A fair point, but judging from the OP, in this context "moderate" means willing to negotiate with the other side... That is exactly what I mean. quote: I don't get it. Look at your options 1 and 2. They say the same thing: one side wins and gets complete power to do what they want, unmindful of the other side. Because that is exactly what American politics have become. quote: V For Vendetta isn't a theocracy: that's bullshit that the Wachowskis added to the film (partly as they thought a film about a blatantly neo nazi take over of the UK wouldn't play well in white supremacist circles, so switching it to a theocracy set up a new set of bad guys who wouldn't offend the wingnuts) and rumour has it is the main reason for Alan Moore demanding that his name be taken off the film. Having never read the original, I would not know. But thank you for the clarification. As for the idea that the current system is a good thing, it would be if both sides learned to work together. And it was not Obama that stopped working with the other side, he has, in both terms, tried to please the Republicans, that is why the Affordable health care act is such a cluster fuck. You seem to forget the previous president saying, "If you aren't with us, you are against us." he was referring to democrats that did not agree with his policy. He led the republicans to the point where anything a Democrat suggests is Unamerican, socialist, etc. And of course you have some liberals who would like nothing better than to go to the point where the government basically takes care of someone from cradle to grave, where the right to own guns is a thing of the past, and most drugs are legally attainable since "trying to stop drug trafficking has cost us billions and achieved nothing." Sorry, and this is going to piss off some friends, with the plan b pill available over the counter to all ages, why the hell do will we need abortion clinics on every other corner?

tazzygirl -> RE: What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 10:33:41 AM)
quote: Sorry, and this is going to piss off some friends, with the plan b pill available over the counter to all ages, why the hell do will we need abortion clinics on every other corner? Mississippi has one... thats every other corner? PA has 13... again... every other corner? Alabama - 8. Tennessee - 13. Many abortions are obtained by women who are on birth control already. Plan B is used for those who have sex without birth control or know their method failed. With the new ruling, we might see a reduction of abortions... might... because of the ability of teenagers to get Plan B. But that percentage will be well below 6%.

jlf1961 -> RE: What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 11:04:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Sorry, and this is going to piss off some friends, with the plan b pill available over the counter to all ages, why the hell do will we need abortion clinics on every other corner? Many abortions are obtained by women who are on birth control already. Plan B is used for those who have sex without birth control or know their method failed. With the new ruling, we might see a reduction of abortions... might... because of the ability of teenagers to get Plan B. But that percentage will be well below 6%. So, tell me, how does a woman know the second she has sex that her birth control method failed? Or within the first 120 hours? Second, a first trimester abortion costs between $350 and $550 if there are no complications, plan b costs between 10 and 70 dollars. Abortions get more expensive the further along the pregnancy. And as far as the abortion clinic on every corner, I was referring tot he pro choice talking heads that seem to have that agenda. It is just the same as the most vocal anti gun people screaming about a complete ban or even more ludicrous that the "Living and evolving Constitution" they are so joyful to refer to on other matters only intended the 2nd Amendment to mean only flintlock muskets. Considering the unwanted Facebook blasts about these two topics, I am finding it harder to stay with my belief that the government does not have the right or power to legislate reproductive health. In my opinion, abortions should only be necessary in the cases of rape, incest or if the mother's life is in danger, at least in my idea of a perfect world. However I do not want to live in a country where the choice is not available. Actually, in the mood I am in today, I personally feel that whatever or whoever is in charge of the Universe and Creation should declare the Human race a failed experiment and pull the plug.

Hillwilliam -> RE: What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 11:07:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 So, tell me, how does a woman know the second she has sex that her birth control method failed? Or within the first 120 hours? Never broken a condom eh? I have

tazzygirl -> RE: What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 11:13:16 AM)
quote: So, tell me, how does a woman know the second she has sex that her birth control method failed? Or within the first 120 hours? Condom broke, diaphragm moved, forgot to take pill? quote: Second, a first trimester abortion costs between $350 and $550 if there are no complications, plan b costs between 10 and 70 dollars. Abortions get more expensive the further along the pregnancy. Points up. 18 out of 100 women will get pregnant when her partner uses a condom. Should the other 82 take plan B just in case?

kdsub -> RE: What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 11:15:28 AM)
None of these options will come to pass in my opinion. It seems Americans are never satisfied with our congress and when one political party gains supremacy they vote them out. This has happened over and over and I see no reason for things to change. Butch

tj444 -> RE: What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 11:54:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Never broken a condom eh? I have nice to hear a man admit it was his fault!.. [:D]

Hillwilliam -> RE: What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 11:55:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Never broken a condom eh? I have nice to hear a man admit it was his fault!.. [:D] Condoms aren't nearly as indestructible as people make them out to be.

tj444 -> RE: What the future holds for America (7/7/2013 11:57:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Condoms aren't nearly as indestructible as people make them out to be. of course not.. but the more.. force & speed.. one uses, the more likely for that to happen.. [:D]

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