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Today marks the first furlough week for DoD employees - 7/8/2013 7:01:38 PM   
SubvsSlave


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Status: offline 		Because of the government’s ability to move beyond sequestration, today is the first day of an 11 week furlough period for about 85% of the Department of Defense's employees. I find it rather appalling that ordinary United States citizens have to financially bear the brunt of a dysfunctional government. I personally know quite a few folks that are affected by this. I just wanted to share this for those that maybe thought the sequestration was old news. Thanks for taking the time to read.


http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=120419

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2013/07/08/dod-civilian-furloughs-set-to-begin-monday/
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RE: Today marks the first furlough week for DoD employees - 7/8/2013 7:15:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't have a problem with it. Workers in the private sector have been dealing with lay offs, terminations and furloughs for the last 4 to 5 years.

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RE: Today marks the first furlough week for DoD employees - 7/8/2013 7:26:37 PM   
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RE: Today marks the first furlough week for DoD employees - 7/8/2013 9:07:36 PM   
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Because of the government’s ability to move beyond sequestration, today is the first day of an 11 week furlough period for about 85% of the Department of Defense's employees. I find it rather appalling that ordinary United States citizens have to financially bear the brunt of a dysfunctional government. I personally know quite a few folks that are affected by this. I just wanted to share this for those that maybe thought the sequestration was old news. Thanks for taking the time to read.
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=120419
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2013/07/08/dod-civilian-furloughs-set-to-begin-monday/


Ordinary US citizens are going to financially bear the brunt of dysfunctional government... always. For this article, it's the DoD employees that are getting furloughs. If not for sequestration, it would be the taxpayers having to pony up more tax dollars because government is dysfunctionally inefficient and wasteful.

No matter what happened, regarding sequestration, ordinary US citizens were going to financially bear the brunt of our dysfunctional government.



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RE: Today marks the first furlough week for DoD employees - 7/8/2013 9:14:06 PM   
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Because of the government’s ability to move beyond sequestration, today is the first day of an 11 week furlough period for about 85% of the Department of Defense's employees. I find it rather appalling that ordinary United States citizens have to financially bear the brunt of a dysfunctional government. I personally know quite a few folks that are affected by this. I just wanted to share this for those that maybe thought the sequestration was old news. Thanks for taking the time to read.


http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=120419

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2013/07/08/dod-civilian-furloughs-set-to-begin-monday/


More evidence that spending is out of control.
couldn't stick enough to tax payers so the cut pay for government employees.

Interesting they choose to hit DOD

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RE: Today marks the first furlough week for DoD employees - 7/9/2013 7:15:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Been hearing news about this for a while now. Affects me, though in a very indirect way.

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RE: Today marks the first furlough week for DoD employees - 7/10/2013 12:01:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		it reduces the full time gaurd and reserves by 20% as well soresponses to disasters and emergencys will be reduced and the ones still working have to take up the slack and those with the reduced income will spend less in the economy and it will be even longer till the recovery is felt by the rest of the workforce

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RE: Today marks the first furlough week for DoD employees - 7/10/2013 1:48:24 AM   
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Interesting they choose to hit DOD

Defense is, by a wide margin, the largest part of the discretionary budget. Any real attempt to reduce spending had to include the DoD.

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RE: Today marks the first furlough week for DoD employees - 7/10/2013 11:38:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		People, you are aware there are NO cuts to these programs, only cuts on the PROJECTED increases to the budget. If we can't handle just a cut on the projected increases, how the hell are we going to handle REAL reductions to the budgets? Using figures from Nov 2102, the government total yearly budget is 3.7 trillion. Close to a third of that is borrowed. To suddenly balance the budget would require a cut of ALMOST A THIRD OF THE ENTIRE FEDERAL BUDGET. Most would have to be done by cutting funding because there is simply not enough left to tax!

The "pay their fair share" mantra is pure bullshit! Mike Shedlock from Global Economic Trend Analyis, says if the government taxed 100 percent of profits from EVERY corporation in America, and confiscated every asset of the super wealthy (like warren buffet, Bill gates) it wouldn't even come close to balancing the budget. We would still have to take the combined salaries of ALL the players in the NFL, Major league baseball, the NBA, the NHL, cut military spending by 254 billion, and tax everything people make above $250,000 at a 100%tax rate. That's the "fair share" it would take to get us close! Does this sound like a workable plan to you?

Folks, we are in deep shit and its going to hit the fan. If you are pissed by the sequester, wait when the REAL cuts have to be made!

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RE: Today marks the first furlough week for DoD employees - 7/10/2013 11:44:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		**Using figures from Nov 2102, the government total yearly budget is 3.7 trillion**

Yeah, to be perfectly punctilious, the last BUDGET signed into law was 1997. If you want to do that interim omnibus spending bill that was slapped together (though it isn't really a budget) you may take the one in April 2009.

But we are still without a budget but operate strictly on lotsa porkish appropriations.

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RE: Today marks the first furlough week for DoD employees - 7/10/2013 1:30:25 PM   
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Interesting they choose to hit DOD

Defense is, by a wide margin, the largest part of the discretionary budget. Any real attempt to reduce spending had to include the DoD.


True, but utterly misleading.

The largest component of the budget by far is entitlement spending (over 52%). The posters comments that they chose to hit DOD for special treatment is accurate, as DOD was singled out for special treatment. And the treatment conforms with the democrats priorities.

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RE: Today marks the first furlough week for DoD employees - 7/10/2013 1:40:43 PM   
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True, but utterly misleading.

The largest component of the budget by far is entitlement spending (over 52%). The posters comments that they chose to hit DOD for special treatment is accurate, as DOD was singled out for special treatment. And the treatment conforms with the democrats priorities.


Exquisite asswipe, very pure. No special treatment, no singling. Every one, and that means every federal department every branch, took hits in sequestration, with must meet reductions. A republican authored plan. DoD saw no way of meeting the sequestration figures without furlough (they don't have huge amounts of disgressionary funds, its all pretty much tacked to the blackboard for years to come by contract and missions.) They sure aint gonna lay off privates. civvies are the first to go as non-mission critical.

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RE: Today marks the first furlough week for DoD employees - 7/10/2013 1:43:31 PM   
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RE: Today marks the first furlough week for DoD employees - 7/10/2013 1:52:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Interesting they choose to hit DOD

Defense is, by a wide margin, the largest part of the discretionary budget. Any real attempt to reduce spending had to include the DoD.


True, but utterly misleading.

The largest component of the budget by far is entitlement spending (over 52%). The posters comments that they chose to hit DOD for special treatment is accurate, as DOD was singled out for special treatment. And the treatment conforms with the democrats priorities.


The preamble to the Constitution says "provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare". Now it seems that's slowly being turned around to say "promote the common defense and provide the general welfare".


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RE: Today marks the first furlough week for DoD employees - 7/11/2013 12:52:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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True, but utterly misleading.

The largest component of the budget by far is entitlement spending (over 52%). The posters comments that they chose to hit DOD for special treatment is accurate, as DOD was singled out for special treatment. And the treatment conforms with the democrats priorities.


Exquisite asswipe, very pure. No special treatment, no singling. Every one, and that means every federal department every branch, took hits in sequestration, with must meet reductions. A republican authored plan. DoD saw no way of meeting the sequestration figures without furlough (they don't have huge amounts of disgressionary funds, its all pretty much tacked to the blackboard for years to come by contract and missions.) They sure aint gonna lay off privates. civvies are the first to go as non-mission critical.


The Washington Post "fact checker" gave OBAMA four pinocheos for saying the Republicans authored sequesture. OBAMA authored it!

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RE: Today marks the first furlough week for DoD employees - 7/11/2013 2:58:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


True, but utterly misleading.

The largest component of the budget by far is entitlement spending (over 52%). The posters comments that they chose to hit DOD for special treatment is accurate, as DOD was singled out for special treatment. And the treatment conforms with the democrats priorities.


Exquisite asswipe, very pure. No special treatment, no singling. Every one, and that means every federal department every branch, took hits in sequestration, with must meet reductions. A republican authored plan. DoD saw no way of meeting the sequestration figures without furlough (they don't have huge amounts of disgressionary funds, its all pretty much tacked to the blackboard for years to come by contract and missions.) They sure aint gonna lay off privates. civvies are the first to go as non-mission critical.

Actually, DoD wasn't allowed to restructure stuff as were other departments. I know. I got furloughed this week. We had done a restructure that could prevent furloughs but Hagel said that if one agency has to do it, all DoD agencies do.
20% pay cut. No raises for 4 years now. No COLA. No nada.
Yeah, morale is at an all time high :-)
And nobody believes a budgets getting passed next year, or the next. It just ain't gonna happen

And yeah, The Big O authored the sequester. His attempts to pin it on the Republicans is painful to see.
But don't believe me, Take the Posts word for it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamas-fanciful-claim-that-congress-proposed-the-sequester/2012/10/25/8651dc6a-1eed-11e2-ba31-3083ca97c314_blog.html

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RE: Today marks the first furlough week for DoD employees - 7/11/2013 3:01:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, the big O? Let's try to suss out the excerpt and the yellow journalism here:

They turned to [White House national economic council director Gene] Sperling for details about a compulsory trigger if they didn’t cut spending or raise taxes in an amount at least equivalent to the debt ceiling increase.
“A trigger would lock in our commitment,” Sperling explained. “Even though we disagree on the composition of how to get to the cuts, it would lock us in. The form of the automatic sequester would punish both sides. We’d have to September to avert any sequester” — a legal obligation to make spending cuts.
“Then we could use a medium or big deal to force tax reform,” Obama said optimistically.
“If this is a trigger for tax reform,” [House speaker John] Boehner said, “this could be worth discussing. But as a budget tool, it’s too complicated. I’m very nervous about this.”
“This would be an enforcement mechanism,” Obama said.


Who is they?

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RE: Today marks the first furlough week for DoD employees - 7/11/2013 3:50:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Ah, the big O? Let's try to suss out the excerpt and the yellow journalism here:

They turned to [White House national economic council director Gene] Sperling for details about a compulsory trigger if they didn’t cut spending or raise taxes in an amount at least equivalent to the debt ceiling increase.
“A trigger would lock in our commitment,” Sperling explained. “Even though we disagree on the composition of how to get to the cuts, it would lock us in. The form of the automatic sequester would punish both sides. We’d have to September to avert any sequester” — a legal obligation to make spending cuts.
“Then we could use a medium or big deal to force tax reform,” Obama said optimistically.
“If this is a trigger for tax reform,” [House speaker John] Boehner said, “this could be worth discussing. But as a budget tool, it’s too complicated. I’m very nervous about this.”
“This would be an enforcement mechanism,” Obama said.


Who is they?


The quote is excerpted by The Washington Post from Bob Woodward's book called The Price of Power, page 215. I'm not sure I would go calling that Yellow Journalism, the Post is a pretty reputable paper and Woodward made his bones ages ago during Watergate. Not to mention that this is a paper and a reporter who, if they have biases, tend towards the left. If anything, one would expect them to err on Obama's side, not nail him.

I don't own the book, and while I hate to resort to it, I'm feeling lazy and not up to lots of digging so I'm gonna cite Wikipedia, which excerpts the book. I'm also going to make sure to include the part of the quote where that Boehner agreed to the sequester, so he ain't exactly blameless in this here boondoggle:

"The solution came from White House National Economic Council Director Gene Sperling, who, on July 12, 2011, proposed a compulsory trigger that would go into effect if another agreement was not made on tax increases and/or budget cuts equal to or greater than the debt ceiling increase by a future date.

Ultimately, the intent of the sequester was to secure the commitment of both sides to future negotiation by means of an enforcement mechanism that would be unpalatable to Republicans and Democrats alike. President Obama agreed to the plan. House Speaker John Boehner expressed reservations, but also agreed."



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