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Darkfeather -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/11/2013 5:16:04 PM)

What actually annoys me is the fact that because of the current law, we feel obligated to tip food service industry workers. Because they are the only members of the workforce that actually work for tips. Ever stop to wonder why? I used to work in tech support. I once spent 3 hours with one customer, going over every nuance of their computer. From their operating system, to their installed programs. Their cables and connectors, to if the surge protector was faulty. It came down to one of their RAM chips was faulty, and promptly helped them in getting a replacement plus how to install the new one. Now for all that hands on personal attention, did they even feel the urge to tip me, not at all. Did I even think about getting a tip, no way. In every other customer service related job, we just don't think of tips. Because our pay just doesn't rely on it. If I sat at my desk all day and got not one call, not very likely mind you, I would still get my full day's pay. But work in food service and they dock you. That seems like the textbook definition of discrimination to me...



OsideGirl -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/11/2013 5:16:08 PM)

I tip well, but...

I work in an industry where its the same price no matter who they use. The difference is service. Since I own my business, the only time when I make money is when I succeed at proving that my service is superior. It doesn't matter if I'm sick, if a relative has just died or I have had a drag out, haul out fight with Master. They pay for a service. They deserve to get that service regardless of what is going on my personal life.

With adequate/decent service I will usually tip around 20%. With exceptional service, I'll go above that. Sometimes way above that.

Give me crappy service and you'll know it. There was actually one waitress that was so bad, that I left her two pennies.



JstAnotherSub -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/11/2013 5:33:39 PM)

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They dont get bonuses for doing fantastic work,
They do if they are waiting on me.



LittleGirlHeart -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/11/2013 5:35:57 PM)

I had a crappy waitress and i wrote a note for her and said her service was so poor I wasn't going to leave a tip, not even a penny.
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


Give me crappy service and you'll know it. There was actually one waitress that was so bad, that I left her two pennies.



ARIES83 -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/11/2013 5:46:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

At the club I work, beer is 4.50. Guys will actually tell the bar tender to keep the change, when giving a five. Unless of course my smart ass is sitting over there. Ill usually say something to make them feel stupid.


Why is it stupid, im sure it all adds up, the bartenders down here usually have a jug full of (usually coloured) water that people can throw their spare change in, it gets devided up between the bar staff at the end... At some places the staff can have after hours cost price drinks, so if theres a lot of change they get to sit around and have drinks for free basicly.



kalikshama -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/11/2013 5:46:43 PM)

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Do his arguments ring true to folks who've actually worked for tips?


When I was a teenager in the 80's, I barmaided at a strip club and made over $20 an hour in tips.

In the late 90's, I waitressed at a breakfast/lunch restaurant and made nowhere near that, and physically worked much harder. My Saturday shift paid well enough, but then the owner gave that to her daughter and gave me Tuesdays, which I soon realized weren't worth my time to come in, but I was just doing this part time while I was finishing my degree so it wasn't a big deal.

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These people can only rely on a paultry amount of money for an 8 hour shift. I think it's fair to say that the average would be somewhere between $16 and $24. Could you live on that? And yet, there are some days where they may only make $10 on top of that. Could you live on that ? I couldn't.


I'm sure I made more in an hour serving drinks at the strip club than I would during 4 hours on a Tuesday shift at the restaurant.



kalikshama -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/11/2013 5:50:25 PM)

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I already rethought tipping, going over the travel/entertainment/dining budget the last time. If we aren't likely to return to a place, and the service wasn't freakin' awesome, I just don't. Sorry, but the economy still sucks around here.


I don't consider tipping for minimally mediocre service optional and am astonished when I learn that some people feel this way.



tazzygirl -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/11/2013 6:10:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

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They dont get bonuses for doing fantastic work,
They do if they are waiting on me.


You are going to pay them a week salary for doing a fantastic job? Give an end of the year merit raise based upon performance? Or is it a 5% extra, maybe 10%?

I realize you view that as a bonus... thats not the kind I was referring too.



tazzygirl -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/11/2013 6:15:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LittleGirlHeart

I had a crappy waitress and i wrote a note for her and said her service was so poor I wasn't going to leave a tip, not even a penny.
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


Give me crappy service and you'll know it. There was actually one waitress that was so bad, that I left her two pennies.



Why did you leave her a note? Why didnt you complain to management?

This is what I dont understand. A bad server can hurt a restaurant, more than one will cripple it. That causes many good servers to lose money.

But, instead of complaining to the powers that be, people think its cute to leave notes or write messages (from ketchup bottles no less) and leave that mess on the table... for the bus boy to clean up who probably doesnt read English (many here dont)



dcnovice -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/11/2013 6:30:16 PM)

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I don't consider tipping for minimally mediocre service optional and am astonished when I learn that some people feel this way.

One of the things about tipping that always disquiets me is that it makes someone's income dependent on others' fairly subjective reactions--or even whims.

I've certainly had minimally mediocre days in my job, and I still get a day's pay.



LittleGirlHeart -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/11/2013 8:16:34 PM)

I did that too, they were very dismissive just said oh sorry, and we haven't gone back.


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


Why did you leave her a note? Why didnt you complain to management?





njlauren -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/11/2013 8:46:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

He's not suggested to abolish tips and that be it, he's suggesting that people should be paid a decent minimum wage for the work they do.

Personally, I agree that tipping should be abolished as a practice needed for people to survive on their wages, but that would only happen if minimum wages go up to what they are in Europe, and I don't see then the minimum wage quadruple any time soon, so considering that, tipping should stay as it currently is.

In europe gratuities are generally included as part of the price, they add it automatically, so even with a higher minimum wage, tipping still goes on.The real problem with tipping is it can be abused, many restaurant owners have gotten in trouble for taking the tips for themselves (including some famous people), which is pathetic given how little waiters and waitresses make. In strip clubs, the girls often pay the owner per shift and they make their money from the money they get from customers.

In the end, tipping would happen one way or the other. If restaurants paid more, they would jack up the price of the bill to cover the cost, so you would pay one way or the other, and quite honestly, if they paid the servers more a lot of them would lose money compared to what they make now.

As a customer, tipping also gives customers a way to show appreciation and conversely, displeasure for bad performance. Unfortunately, there are people who go into the work with a bad attitude, and in theory tips motivate them to treat the customer right, but most servers and bar people I dealt with really try, but I think if they took away tips it would cut down morale, simply because most would see a decline in income.



OrionTheWolf -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/11/2013 11:03:59 PM)

The unfortunate part is that some clubs price at .25 just so that often there is a little something that goes to the bartender or wait staff.


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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

At the club I work, beer is 4.50. Guys will actually tell the bar tender to keep the change, when giving a five. Unless of course my smart ass is sitting over there. Ill usually say something to make them feel stupid.



OrionTheWolf -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/11/2013 11:08:09 PM)

I tip moving guys, delivery guys, trash guys at the holidays, and anyone that I can to show appreciation and get a better level of service. Grocery baggers that used to carry bags to the car would get tips when I was young.

Yeah there is discrimination as to many different jobs that make different levels of income in the world, but there is nothing really wrong with it in my opinion. It is the natural differences that we as a society have placed on the value of different things. Treating things differently is discrimination, it is a fact of life and I personally don't want to see everyone and everything treated the same.


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ORIGINAL: Darkfeather

What actually annoys me is the fact that because of the current law, we feel obligated to tip food service industry workers. Because they are the only members of the workforce that actually work for tips. Ever stop to wonder why? I used to work in tech support. I once spent 3 hours with one customer, going over every nuance of their computer. From their operating system, to their installed programs. Their cables and connectors, to if the surge protector was faulty. It came down to one of their RAM chips was faulty, and promptly helped them in getting a replacement plus how to install the new one. Now for all that hands on personal attention, did they even feel the urge to tip me, not at all. Did I even think about getting a tip, no way. In every other customer service related job, we just don't think of tips. Because our pay just doesn't rely on it. If I sat at my desk all day and got not one call, not very likely mind you, I would still get my full day's pay. But work in food service and they dock you. That seems like the textbook definition of discrimination to me...




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/12/2013 12:50:21 AM)

FR~

I never tip anyone. Never have done.
I think it's because the culture over here is somewhat different.

We have a minimum wage.
People know what that is and how many hours they will work before they take the job.
They are paid for what they do and I expect them to do that job well.
If they don't, I will complain to the management or leave a comment on one of those customer service cards/books that many establishments have these days.
If I find a service charge added to my bill - I will complain and deduct that amount from it.
I pay for the goods, nothing more.
If they can't build-in a sensible profit margin to pay their overheads and staff - that's not my problem.

When I lived for 8 months in the US, I never tipped a dime no matter how good the service was.
It was bad enough having to try and work out the extra local tax needed to pay at the till on top of the price instead of having the total price on display like it is here.
I find the whole scenario of 'tipping' quite abhorrent and unnecessary.

I guess it's what you get used to.



BitaTruble -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/12/2013 1:21:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

At the club I work, beer is 4.50. Guys will actually tell the bar tender to keep the change, when giving a five. Unless of course my smart ass is sitting over there. Ill usually say something to make them feel stupid.


Bartender gets 50 cents for a few seconds worth of work. Say it takes 30 seconds or so to pull a beer. That works out to .. $60 dollars an hour. Pop a top off a beer bottle which takes even less time and it is even more per hour.

Why would you try to make someone feel stupid.. because they are paying upwards of $60 bux an hour to pay someone to pull a beer or pop a top for them?

To get a license to bartend is cheap so it's not as though there are student loans to pay out.

I think, if you 'actually' try to make random strangers who are patrons of the establishment at which you work, feel stupid, that says a whole lot about you.. and it's not good.

If I was your boss and I caught you doing that, I'd fire your ass.




MAINEiacMISTRESS -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/12/2013 1:35:06 AM)

I dunno...I guess if you prefer the taste and texture of SPIT and DIRT in your food, that's YOUR fetish...and I support your RIGHT to participate in that fetish. (although the area of "consent" is a tad shady on this one)

Personally I enjoy REWARDING good waitstaff to let them know I enjoyed My visit. It "teaches" them to appreciate My visits and make the extra effort to remember certain things I enjoy having. If their service was poor they get two pennies to let them know I didn't FORGET to tip but that's all I think they deserve.

Remember, tips are where they get most of their income.

Restaurant staff DEPEND on tips for INCOME, since the minimum wage for tipped workers is far less than that of other laborers. http://www.examiner.com/article/why-restaurant-workers-deserve-higher-wages-health-insurance-and-paid-sick-days



chatterbox24 -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/12/2013 5:44:55 AM)

I admit I haven't read all the posts, did a bit of skimming.


As far as people being at mercy for their tips, having to depend on the generosity of the public or the non generosity. It can be as persuasive as the mood of the patron! I always tip well, unless I have a REALLY TERRIBLE BAD ATTITUDE staff. I don't determine it either on mistakes, or if they are super busy, nothing like that. I will tip well. But I have dined with some people I would never have thought so negative, selfish, and tight waddish, until it came time to tip. Real eye opener by what they might say, what excuse they use, to keep a few more dollars in their pocket. Or better yet when they treat wait staff, like servants, giving zero respect to them. I guess they just don't have any control anywhere else in their life is what I always think. I actually stopped having lunch with a GF because of how she acted to staff.



theshytype -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/12/2013 6:46:11 AM)

I leave a 15% tip if the service is poor, 20% and above for good service, and 30% for outstanding or bar tab. My tips come out to a bit higher than that, though, because I always round the bill up for quicker math.
I may have an issue when it comes to tipping and sometimes I know I'm being too generous. It's a problem of mine.
And I've never worked for tips before.

But, the pizza guy always delivers our pizza hot and fresh!



chatterbox24 -> RE: Time to Rethink Tipping? (7/12/2013 6:49:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: theshytype

I leave a 15% tip if the service is poor, 20% and above for good service, and 30% for outstanding or bar tab. My tips come out to a bit higher than that, though, because I always round the bill up for quicker math.
I may have an issue when it comes to tipping and sometimes I know I'm being too generous. It's a problem of mine.
And I've never worked for tips before.

But, the pizza guy always delivers our pizza hot and fresh!



Oh my, what a terrible problem!!! You must stop that immediately![:D]



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