Powergamz1
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You numbered the points, I made it clear that I was only addressing one, and you then claimed you never made that post. Calling you on that, isn't cherry picking.
Your point was that culturally, Muslims reject music and dance. That show such a fundamental ignorance of all cultures, that it deserves to be called, in spite of your cherry picking tap dance to avoid responsibility for your own words.
As far as the 'have you stopped beating your wife' question, other posters have called you on that sophistry.
Have you made a single post here that was on topic, correct, or useful?
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Nice cherry picking - one quote out of pages of material. So you are deceiving by being selective. The post I have asked multiple times - is do you think muslim theology is consonant with western civilizations.
I then threw out some examples of muslim theology. Polygamy, no work for females outside the home. The topic is still muslm theology. So again I said culturally (the muslim theology) is resistant to dance, music etc.
And I gave multiple quotes from the Quran about that.
So instead of (again) trying to make this about what individual muslims do - answer the question I asked. Do you think muslim theology is consonant with western civilization?
It seems clear to me that we are heading for a clash of cultures as our culture and the muslim culture get more polarized.
I have provided great # of quotes about how the muslim theology is at variance with western civilization. You have attacked christians you have tried to make it a question about individual muslims.. But for at least the third time - I'm asking you what you think about muslim theology.
The reason the question about theology becomes important.
There are roughly 1.4 billion muslims in the world. If 1/3 of those muslims become radicalized - or merely elect to practice a more pure form of islam; or if more radical brands such as wahabbism acquire dominance then the implications are tremendous.
So once again- start first with muslim theology. NO ONE has advanced an argument in favor of muslim theology. Which I think is fundamentally because you can't and you dont' have the intellectual honesty to admit it.
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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1
Still posting the disingenuous internet debate game I see.
Here is exactly what you wrote, complete with direct link, so you can stop pretending that you never posted it:
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4500835
4. I would say culturally that muslims have great resistance to dress, dance, music, gay rights etc.
Nothing about religious edicts, nothing about 'Western' music, nothing about children. Nothing about individual proclamations from fanatics. Muslims *as a culture*, resist dance and music.
Which, had you spent 5 minutes around, or bothering to learn anything about the Muslim world, is one of the most ignorance based and laughable statements ever.
You've got nothing.
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1
I'll settle for one that supports your blanket claims about 'Muslims', not the cherry picked nonsense where you tack on the word 'western' after claiming that Muslims as a whole abstain from music and dance.
The go look again -because the supreme leader of Iran forbade teaching music to children. And that link was provided, as well as another link that said music was Haram (unlawful)
And, since you are misquoting - go show me a quote where I said anything about muslims as a whole. I've said muslim theology. Try to advance an honest argument please. My whole subthread was the proposition of whether muslim theology was consonant with western civilization.
That people choose not to live their faith has nothing to do with what the faith actually requires.
Here's a quote from one of the fatwas:
The case with music and unlawful singing is the same. It has been decisively prohibited in Shariah, as the evidences mentioned further along will show. Yet there are individuals that are not ready to believe that it is Haram.
In the modern era, music has spread to such an extent that nobody is free from it. Individuals are confronted with situations where they are forced to listen to music. It is played nearly in all department stores and supermarkets. If you sit in a taxi, make a phone call or even walk down the street, you will not be saved from this evil. Young Muslims drive around in their cars with the music fully blasted. The increasing popularity of music, which is prevalent in our society, poses a great threat to the Muslims.
Music is a direct ploy of the Non-Muslims. One of the main causes for the decline of the Muslims is their involvement in useless entertainment. Today we see that Muslims are involved, and at the forefront perhaps, of many immoralities and evils. The spiritual power which once was the trait of a Muslim is nowhere to be seen. One of the main reasons for this is music and useless entertainment.
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